Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

This rumor news is beating Gun Guy Thread I believe. Already over 6,000 views
 
timbuck said:
What does this do to a club like Liverpoool (LA Galaxy OC) that hired some people to get them into the DA.
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Liverpool was never going to get DA. That was a sales pitch. They are surrounded by ECNL and DA clubs. There was never going to be DA for them no matter who their coaching staff was. Boys or girls. Just overpaid coaches who had lost their jobs at their prior clubs for various reasons Being paraded around in front of uninformed parents to give them hope where there wasn’t any.
 
ECNL hasnt been open for business since November. I wouldn’t be surprised if their doors shutter. I think National leagues are in trouble with traveling and costs. A So Cal super league is the way to go. All the power Is still with blues, beach, legends, and surf clubs. They will form their league and try to sway slammers. 12 teams max. So Cal has the best teams besides a handful others mostly from Texas.
 
outside! said:
And you get an "F" in geography. When Surf was the only ECNL club in San Diego county, they had a monopoly on access to players in San Diego county. Blues and the other OC ECNL clubs wer not viable options for most San Diego county players (or LA County/Riverside County players for that matter). You keep talking about clubs as businesses. They are non-profits. I understand that DOC's are making bank and the clubs need to remain financially solvent, but they are still non-profits that are supposed to be providing a service in return for access to public property.

The only reason I mention my kids team was to prove a point. I don't live through my kids. Besides, you are the one that disparaged the kids teams, not me.

US Soccer (DA/GDA) governs US Club Soccer (ECNL) and USYS (National League). US Soccer should never have gotten into a situation where clubs have so much power over youth players through ECNL. The future of soccer in the US depends on increasing popularity among youth players, who are the paying fans of tomorrow. Right now youth soccer ignores players of lesser financial means (and their potential future market). As an example, it is well understood that there is almost no outreach by US Soccer to the Latino community (and other lower income demographics). If instead of a closed league there was a community focused system that would allow great teams from underprivileged areas to win their local tournaments, then move on to larger geographical tournaments, such teams that were good enough would attract attention and sponsorship to allow them to make it to the top tournaments and get the exposure and quality opponents to allow true development. ECNL is not that system. The existing local league/State Cup/National Cup/National League/National Championship system is closer to that system and is the system that should be refined and encouraged. Until soccer in the US takes advantage of the entire player pool, the USMNT will continue to stagnate and the USWNT will decline as other countries start to focus on women's soccer. Focusing on the "business" side of youth soccer is a recipe for youth soccer to remain a rich kids sport.
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OK, we can add “non-profit” to the list of words you don’t understand. Virtually everyone who creates a soccer club does so as a non-profit. This allows the creators to profit by paying themselves salaries and other forms of comp while also reducing or completely eliminating tax obligations. They can also receive charitable contributions that would otherwise never happen. The fact they are non-profits doesn’t mean, however, that should lose money or let everyone receive their valuable services at a loss. These clubs are also providing a valuable service regardless of your mopey self pitying perspective. These clubs allow kids to play the sport they love and, for some, they even provide a form of education that helps them gain access to college opportunities they might not otherwise have. If you don’t want to pay for it, fine, there’s always AYSO.

As for geography, I’ve got that covered. There must be more than 50 clubs in SD County, and any of them could have created their own league to compete with ECNL if they wanted to or had the desire to do so. Oh wait, they have. They have names like Coast Soccer League, California Regional League, CalSouth State Cup, Presidio Soccer League, California Soccer League, AYSO. Surf is a member of, and participates in many of, these leagues, yet ECNL is the only one of those leagues that you claim is a monopoly. Your kids’ team couldn’t just barge into an AYSO league either, so why aren’t you upset about that “monopoly”? The reason is that none of them are monopolies. To the contrary, there are so many options in SD that it’s ridiculous. In fact, you should be thrilled to have had so many options because, unlike in many jurisdictions, you could still play at a remotely decent level even at your paltry price point. There was only one club in all of SD county playing in a league with travel and coaching costs that you couldn’t afford. That’s it.
 
Among the smart and informed voices here, I’ll bring it down to a very personal level for a minute or two...

My daughter has been straddling her DA and DPL teams...guesting with DA until Covid 19 tilted the world. She’s working harder than I’ve ever seen, studying film, practicing moves, etc etc. HS track season gone, DA North Carolina showcase gone, etc... i tried starting a thread asking how all this will affect June 15 for 2022 graduates but it didn’t get much traction. Not on an organizational, macro level, but how will hundreds of kids, parents and good hardworking coaches will be affected?

Not really expecting a reply as much as just expressing my consternation with all this turmoil.
 
chiefs said:
ECNL hasnt been open for business since November. I wouldn’t be surprised if their doors shutter. I think National leagues are in trouble with traveling and costs. A So Cal super league is the way to go. All the power Is still with blues, beach, legends, and surf clubs. They will form their league and try to sway slammers. 12 teams max. So Cal has the best teams besides a handful others mostly from Texas.
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Argh, do any of you understand anything? ECNL is a creation of its members. ECNL will not go down unless the bulk of the member clubs go out of business. That will never happen for many reasons. First, it doesn’t take much to keep a soccer club in existence. Second, soccer junkies who run these clubs are like cockroaches. It doesn’t matter how much you deny them water, or air, or even money, they still manage to survive somehow. Third, you find that the wealthy white folk who constitute the bulk of the elite girls soccer customer base did not lose their jobs.

With ECNL there is not that much travel, and even what does exist can be easily curtailed to the extent it is compelled by financial constraints. Unlike GDA, most ECNL regions have clubs all within driving range, and no one who matters needs to get on a plane just to play a league game. ECNL can ditch its showcases until things turn around, or at least loosen up attendance requirements for those with financial constraints. Easy peasy. Thank god @outside!’s club isn’t in ECNL, though, because we know some of those families are whiners and would never pay jack even when money isn’t tight. In fact, although many clubs like @outside!’s will probably go down as a result of this, few to no ECNL clubs will. That is because ECNL only allows clubs that are the most stable financially. They don’t allow yahoos that have done well by riding one or two 12 year olds really hard. In the end.
 
EOTL said:
Argh, do any of you understand anything? ECNL is a creation of its members. ECNL will not go down unless the bulk of the member clubs go out of business. That will never happen for many reasons. First, it doesn’t take much to keep a soccer club in existence. Second, soccer junkies who run these clubs are like cockroaches. It doesn’t matter how much you deny them water, or air, or even money, they still manage to survive somehow. Third, you find that the wealthy white folk who constitute the bulk of the elite girls soccer customer base did not lose their jobs.

With ECNL there is not that much travel, and even what does exist can be easily curtailed to the extent it is compelled by financial constraints. Unlike GDA, most ECNL regions have clubs all within driving range, and no one who matters needs to get on a plane just to play a league game. ECNL can ditch its showcases until things turn around, or at least loosen up attendance requirements for those with financial constraints. Easy peasy. Thank god @outside!’s club isn’t in ECNL, though, because we know some of those families are whiners and would never pay jack even when money isn’t tight. In fact, although many clubs like @outside!’s will probably go down as a result of this, few to no ECNL clubs will. That is because ECNL only allows clubs that are the most stable financially. They don’t allow yahoos that have done well by riding one or two 12 year olds really hard. In the end.
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Without the blues DA,beach, legends, and surf clubs no question the SW ECNL is not the best competition. At least in So CAL those clubs mentioned hold the cards. That’s a factual statement. Traveling won’t be sponsored by a National League. Maybe ecnl teams can drive long distances like to Richmond, VA... no reason to travel when the best teams in the country are in your backdoor. I can see AZ teams being involved early as they maybe open to business prior to calif.
 
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Giesbock said:
Among the smart and informed voices here, I’ll bring it down to a very personal level for a minute or two...

My daughter has been straddling her DA and DPL teams...guesting with DA until Covid 19 tilted the world. She’s working harder than I’ve ever seen, studying film, practicing moves, etc etc. HS track season gone, DA North Carolina showcase gone, etc... i tried starting a thread asking how all this will affect June 15 for 2022 graduates but it didn’t get much traction. Not on an organizational, macro level, but how will hundreds of kids, parents and good hardworking coaches will be affected?

Not really expecting a reply as much as just expressing my consternation with all this turmoil.
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All of the 2022's are in the same boat. I think it will just push recruiting a little later for their class. Nothing too bad about that to be honest. The kids will be older and more informed.
 
ECNL is a great league. Blues and other So Cal ECNL teams are not going to leave it. It was just a matter of time until Blues would have made a choice on leagues. Not hard to see they would have gone the same direction everyone else is. ECNL.
 
Just to feed the rumor mill. Heard further speculation that MLS clubs will be required to fully fund both boys and girls youth academies. Likely just to include the old U16/U17 and U18/U19 combined age groups, at least for girls.

Expectation is those 26 clubs will be the genuine top of the pyramid, with all other non-MLS DA clubs cast aside (most should find a home in ECNL).
 
timmyh said:
Just to feed the rumor mill. Heard further speculation that MLS clubs will be required to fully fund both boys and girls youth academies. Likely just to include the old U16/U17 and U18/U19 combined age groups, at least for girls.

Expectation is those 26 clubs will be the genuine top of the pyramid, with all other non-MLS DA clubs cast aside (most should find a home in ECNL).
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interesting concept.....
 
Helping to support 130 teams (5 per MLS club, three boy teams and two girl teams) and focusing Federation resources on that narrower slice of players would be a better investment than what the Federation has been spending on helping to support the 1,000+ current DA/GDA teams, or so the thinking goes.
 
timmyh said:
Just to feed the rumor mill. Heard further speculation that MLS clubs will be required to fully fund both boys and girls youth academies. Likely just to include the old U16/U17 and U18/U19 combined age groups, at least for girls.

Expectation is those 26 clubs will be the genuine top of the pyramid, with all other non-MLS DA clubs cast aside (most should find a home in ECNL).
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Wouldn’t be surprising. At least that’s a plan. I can’t imagine they just say “thanks. We’re out. Good luck”.
 
timmyh said:
Helping to support 130 teams (5 per MLS club, three boy teams and two girl teams) and focusing Federation resources on that narrower slice of players would be a better investment than what the Federation has been spending on helping to support the 1,000+ current DA/GDA teams, or so the thinking goes.
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Makes way too much sense. Actually focus on the few dozen USSF actually care about, and the several hundred players MLS (and NWSL) care about.
I'm unclear on what would drive the NWSL-MLS cooperation that would be required. We may be getting ahead of ourselves here.
 
timmyh said:
Just to feed the rumor mill. Heard further speculation that MLS clubs will be required to fully fund both boys and girls youth academies. Likely just to include the old U16/U17 and U18/U19 combined age groups, at least for girls.

Expectation is those 26 clubs will be the genuine top of the pyramid, with all other non-MLS DA clubs cast aside (most should find a home in ECNL).
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Interesting posting for sure.....sounds good but one thing I disagree with is that “most” will find a home.....Lot of weak clubs of the 14 is SW DA.....la surf and oc surf have got no shot and are better suited to scdsl........
 
timmyh said:
Just to feed the rumor mill. Heard further speculation that MLS clubs will be required to fully fund both boys and girls youth academies. Likely just to include the old U16/U17 and U18/U19 combined age groups, at least for girls.

Expectation is those 26 clubs will be the genuine top of the pyramid, with all other non-MLS DA clubs cast aside (most should find a home in ECNL).
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This doesn’t make sense since most MLS clubs on the boys side don’t have NWSL teams on the girls side to fully fund. MLS might can fund boys DA but no way NWSL can fund girls side. NWSL is broke. It will never be a profitable league which means it won’t be able to fund the girls side.

The kicker to this is that something in the WNT lawsuit settlement stipulates that US Soccer has to prop up the NWSL financially and support a girls program for the NWSL. That could be cheaper than dumping all of the money they are into the DA program. NWSL will never succeed financially and be able to sustain itself. Just not enough ticket sales or attendance. But that takes this discussion down a whole new road.

I would say that those 26 clubs will not be the top of the pyramid In most cases. I would venture to say that most talent, at least on the girls side, will come from the ECNL. Look at SoCal for example. I think LAFC is the only NWSL in the area and they aren’t even playing yet. I don’t see girls leaving other top clubs to play for LAFC. Look at DA teams in other areas that are affiliated with NWSL teams. They don’t tend to be the top of the pyramid.

i just lost my train of thought. It happens a lot these days. Time for another glass of wine and more Sunderland til I Die on Netflix.
 
dreamz said:
This doesn’t make sense since most MLS clubs on the boys side don’t have NWSL teams on the girls side to fully fund. MLS might can fund boys DA but no way NWSL can fund girls side. NWSL is broke. It will never be a profitable league which means it won’t be able to fund the girls side.

The kicker to this is that something in the WNT lawsuit settlement stipulates that US Soccer has to prop up the NWSL financially and support a girls program for the NWSL. That could be cheaper than dumping all of the money they are into the DA program. NWSL will never succeed financially and be able to sustain itself. Just not enough ticket sales or attendance. But that takes this discussion down a whole new road.

I would say that those 26 clubs will not be the top of the pyramid In most cases. I would venture to say that most talent, at least on the girls side, will come from the ECNL. Look at SoCal for example. I think LAFC is the only NWSL in the area and they aren’t even playing yet. I don’t see girls leaving other top clubs to play for LAFC. Look at DA teams in other areas that are affiliated with NWSL teams. They don’t tend to be the top of the pyramid.

i just lost my train of thought. It happens a lot these days. Time for another glass of wine and more Sunderland til I Die on Netflix.
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NWSL has nothing to do with the rumor I heard. It just applies to MLS clubs, and the inclusion of a girls program will be required for Federation support.
Just rumors and speculation. I am not hearing this from anyone who really, really knows.
 
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