College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

Sons of Pitches said:
Why is Amanda Cromwell still coaching? If this was a men's footballl coach he would have been fired the day the story broke! She "hid" a player on her roster. She had to know the player was there, the player was issued a uniform number. The player was in the media guide. Amanda Cromwell is the CEO of the Women's Soccer Program and needs to be held accountable.
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I wonder if they might try to pin this on Josh Walters? I’m not in any way shape or form saying he did it, but if you’re already acting unethically and want to avoid the heat, blame it on somebody who isn’t there anymore. Timing would be perfect. Just a thought.
 
Glen said:
I read this too. Apparently some of the kids were of Asian decent, but Singer claimed they were Caucasian so it would be much easier for them to get in. Singer also was clever in capitalizing on the white man's affirmative action programs (sailing, tennis, and crew).
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Huh? If you wanted to “grease the skids” of admissions from an affirmative action standpoint, wouldn’t you list your race as anything but White?
 
Supermodel56 said:
“Singer, who began cooperating with the government in a bid for leniency, called Isackson’s parents in September.”

Talk about a piece of work! For leniency, this guy sold out all the parents he solicited!
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That’s precisely what dirt bags do. Once your dirtbaggery is discovered, sell everybody else out.
 
SpeedK1llz said:
I wonder if they might try to pin this on Josh Walters? I’m not in any way shape or form saying he did it, but if you’re already acting unethically and want to avoid the heat, blame it on somebody who isn’t there anymore. Timing would be perfect. Just a thought.
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Given the fbi has the men’s coach who they will highly motivate to be honest (and will know all the details of how this was done), I think that whatever the truth is will come out shortly.
 
Glen said:
Are you kidding?
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I think you read the article wrong (or didn't read it at all):

"So, not only did the college applications contain phony photoshopped photographs of the students participating in sports and activities but the applications also used racial and ethnic quota considerations to move the students forward in the process."

Singer changed the applicants race from white to that of another race that would be considered advantageous under racial and ethic consideration.
 
SpeedK1llz said:
I think you read the article wrong (or didn't read it at all):

"So, not only did the college applications contain phony photoshopped photographs of the students participating in sports and activities but the applications also used racial and ethnic quota considerations to move the students forward in the process."

Singer changed the applicants race from white to that of another race that would be considered advantageous under racial and ethic consideration.
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Singer moving a kid from Asian to White would be considered advantageous under racial and ethnic consideration. That's pretty well-known, so I thought you were joking. Where does it say in the article that he moved a kid from White to another race? The DOJ didn't provide any of those details.
 
gefelchnik said:
Given the fbi has the men’s coach who they will highly motivate to be honest (and will know all the details of how this was done), I think that whatever the truth is will come out shortly.
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Just a guess but I imagine involved folks have engaged counsel and are negotiating and trying to reduce their risk and liability for whatever happened. Once the negotiations are completed then I would think an announcement will be made.
 
Glen said:
Singer moving a kid from Asian to White would be considered advantageous under racial and ethnic consideration. That's pretty well-known, so I thought you were joking. Where does it say in the article that he moved a kid from White to another race? The DOJ didn't provide any of those details.
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Nor does it state anywhere that a kid was "moved from Asian to White". As for my statement otherwise, I made an educated guess...

"Affirmative action policies are those in which an institution or organization actively engages in efforts to improve opportunities for historically excluded groups in American society."

Since when have white people been "historically excluded"? Plus, haven't the majority of families caught up in this scandal been white?
 
SpeedK1llz said:
Nor does it state anywhere that a kid was "moved from Asian to White". As for my statement otherwise, I made an educated guess...

"Affirmative action policies are those in which an institution or organization actively engages in efforts to improve opportunities for historically excluded groups in American society."

Since when have white people been "historically excluded"? Plus, haven't the majority of families caught up in this scandal been white?
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Too many Asians in the Ivy's.
Anti-Asian Bias, Not Affirmative Action, Is on Trial in the Harvard Case
The New Yorker
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AhAB&usg=AOvVaw3eTekupUi-hrFMdw1KQhRt&ampcf=1
 
Wow... just saw they put the pic of #41 on the cover of the LA Times. I’m really a bit blown away by that. MAP, you’re smarter and more successful then me, but the well has been poisoned. Get your kid out of there. (That’s as much as I don’t know).

Also from they way they did Cromwell in that article... leaving her flapping out in the wind- she’s a goner. No way squeaky clean UCLA goes to war with the LATimes over this, and plainly the Times is itching for a fight even if they aren’t yet ready to print the whole story. At least for her sake she can head to Europe and coach pro soccer for a few years til thing blow over.
 
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eastbaysoccer said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ucla-admissions-soccer-recruit-20190319-story.html?outputType=amp

Just read this story. Looks bad for Cromwell. I don’t think she survives this as the CEO of the team. So the athletic director can fire himself or Cromwell. You pick.
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It seems clear from the direction the school spokesman is going that they intend to see if the men's coach can absorb all of the blame.

Reading between the lines from what he said in this article, the story the school would be pitching would be something like this:

1. Men's coach submitted a falsified athletic profile to the womens coaches...suggests that the player will be able to help the team and doesn't require any scholarship money. Women's coaches agree based on strong recommendation from men's coach without seeing her play.
2. Student gets admitted as a recruited non-scholarship athlete.
3. At some point (could have been back in step 1, or after the women's coaches realize the the girl is not an athlete nor a soccer player), the women's coaches classify the girl as a practice player. This is well after the admission, and she may have already started at the school.
4. Given the options at this point, the women's coaches decide to just let it be and not raise the issue back to the school (and report on the men's coach). It is just for a year and they didn't knowingly do anything wrong.
 
gefelchnik said:
It seems clear from the direction the school spokesman is going that they intend to see if the men's coach can absorb all of the blame.

Reading between the lines from what he said in this article, the story the school would be pitching would be something like this:

1. Men's coach submitted a falsified athletic profile to the womens coaches...suggests that the player will be able to help the team and doesn't require any scholarship money. Women's coaches agree based on strong recommendation from men's coach without seeing her play.
2. Student gets admitted as a recruited non-scholarship athlete.
3. At some point (could have been back in step 1, or after the women's coaches realize the the girl is not an athlete nor a soccer player), the women's coaches classify the girl as a practice player. This is well after the admission, and she may have already started at the school.
4. Given the options at this point, the women's coaches decide to just let it be and not raise the issue back to the school (and report on the men's coach). It is just for a year and they didn't knowingly do anything wrong.
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Agree. It read to me like they are scrambling to save Cromwell and I think the explanation you give here is what they will say went down.

It’s hard to fathom tho that the w soccer staff would take the word of the men’s coaches. I can’t imagine an instance where a men’s coach would say “hey this kid is good enough to make your national championship contending team. Don’t worry about seeing her play or even knowing who she is, I’ve seen her and she’s good enough.” Cromwell doesn’t call the club coach or double check on the girl? At all? Even talk to her on the phone? What if she’s bat %£~* crazy? UCLA is in the hunt for a national title. I don’t think many (any) coaches bring in some random to jack with chemistry and or the culture of the program without a cursory check. That’s crazy if that’s the case.

We all know how insanely competitive the w soccer world is in so cal. That a kid could make the UCLA roster with the mere recommendation of the men’s coach and no one checking on that sounds ridiculous.
 
full90 said:
Agree. It read to me like they are scrambling to save Cromwell and I think the explanation you give here is what they will say went down.

It’s hard to fathom tho that the w soccer staff would take the word of the men’s coaches. I can’t imagine an instance where a men’s coach would say “hey this kid is good enough to make your national championship contending team. Don’t worry about seeing her play or even knowing who she is, I’ve seen her and she’s good enough.” Cromwell doesn’t call the club coach or double check on the girl? At all? Even talk to her on the phone? What if she’s bat %£~* crazy? UCLA is in the hunt for a national title. I don’t think many (any) coaches bring in some random to jack with chemistry and or the culture of the program without a cursory check. That’s crazy if that’s the case.

We all know how insanely competitive the w soccer world is in so cal. That a kid could make the UCLA roster with the mere recommendation of the men’s coach and no one checking on that sounds ridiculous.
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Yea agreed.

My post was just saying where the narrative from the school seems to be headed, not that I think it is what happened.
 
full90 said:
Agree. It read to me like they are scrambling to save Cromwell and I think the explanation you give here is what they will say went down.

It’s hard to fathom tho that the w soccer staff would take the word of the men’s coaches. I can’t imagine an instance where a men’s coach would say “hey this kid is good enough to make your national championship contending team. Don’t worry about seeing her play or even knowing who she is, I’ve seen her and she’s good enough.” Cromwell doesn’t call the club coach or double check on the girl? At all? Even talk to her on the phone? What if she’s bat %£~* crazy? UCLA is in the hunt for a national title. I don’t think many (any) coaches bring in some random to jack with chemistry and or the culture of the program without a cursory check. That’s crazy if that’s the case.

We all know how insanely competitive the w soccer world is in so cal. That a kid could make the UCLA roster with the mere recommendation of the men’s coach and no one checking on that sounds ridiculous.
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While there is an NCAA limit on the number of scholarships a college may award, there is no limit on the number of recruits they may admit. Letting #41 in cost the women's team nothing, and it may have helped in the internal politics. And - we don't know how many other times this may have happened among the various UCLA athletic programs.
 
You people are crazy if you believe any of this nonsense and UCLA is crazier if they think any reasonable person is buying any of this. While I agree that UCLA athletics would love for all of us to believe anything that suggests the women’s program blindly accepted this girl on their roster or had no idea what was going on or found out too late that she actually couldn’t play is just straight BS.

No coach at this level, not a single one, would take any player blind without having done some homework on her. Additionally, it would have been obvious on day one in the summer (before school started) that this girl could not play. They either knew it before they rostered her or shortly thereafter. If they were truly hoodwinked, they should have said something immediately knowing this could come back and bite them in the arse.

I hope UCLA is objectively investigating this to find out the truth. Ultimately, if nobody is held accountable on the women’s side then I guess colleges turning a blind eye on unethical behavior when you are running a successful program doesn’t just stop at football and basketball.
 
SpeedK1llz said:
I hope UCLA is objectively investigating this to find out the truth. Ultimately, if nobody is held accountable on the women’s side then I guess colleges turning a blind eye on unethical behavior when you are running a successful program doesn’t just stop at football and basketball.
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I could not agree more.
 
SpeedK1llz said:
You people are crazy if you believe any of this nonsense and UCLA is crazier if they think any reasonable person is buying any of this. While I agree that UCLA athletics would love for all of us to believe anything that suggests the women’s program blindly accepted this girl on their roster or had no idea what was going on or found out too late that she actually couldn’t play is just straight BS.

No coach at this level, not a single one, would take any player blind without having done some homework on her. Additionally, it would have been obvious on day one in the summer (before school started) that this girl could not play. They either knew it before they rostered her or shortly thereafter. If they were truly hoodwinked, they should have said something immediately knowing this could come back and bite them in the arse.

I hope UCLA is objectively investigating this to find out the truth. Ultimately, if nobody is held accountable on the women’s side then I guess colleges turning a blind eye on unethical behavior when you are running a successful program doesn’t just stop at football and basketball.
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I was just pointing out that after a week of no comment, this is the story that the school spokesman seems to be going with.

They will have talked to all of the coaches involved at this point on the women’s side....and given this is what the school is saying, it is likely this is what the school has been told by those coaches.
 
I don’t believe that narrative at all. I just think that’s what UCLA will sell to keep Cromwell and hope the public buys it while they vilify the other major players.

What i think happened is Jorge told Amanda hey I’ve got a friends kid who really wants to get in. Her parents are loaded and can help with your program financially. Could you use her as a manager for a year? Amanda said ok and admitted her as a w soccer player and then rostered her. Never at any time did anyone think the girl would actually suit up at practice or any other time.

To what degree admitting a kid as an athlete when they are not deserving of the special admit is illegal (law wise, ncaa wise or school policy wise) we will see. And who the axe ultimately falls on.
 
full90 said:
I don’t believe that narrative at all. I just think that’s what UCLA will sell to keep Cromwell and hope the public buys it while they vilify the other major players.

What i think happened is Jorge told Amanda hey I’ve got a friends kid who really wants to get in. Her parents are loaded and can help with your program financially. Could you use her as a manager for a year? Amanda said ok and admitted her as a w soccer player and then rostered her. Never at any time did anyone think the girl would actually suit up at practice or any other time.

To what degree admitting a kid as an athlete when they are not deserving of the special admit is illegal (law wise, ncaa wise or school policy wise) we will see. And who the axe ultimately falls on.
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You make a great point - Cromwell has the discretion to admit anyone she wants for whatever reason - as a favor or anything else. Hopefully she didn’t accept any payments or compensation - in that case, I think while it may be a bit embarrassing for the program, she hopefully should survive this.
 
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