eastbaysoccer
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Well if Jorge talks to the Media to reduce his sentence if any, this proposed narrative could let to student protests and more attention form the LA times.
College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach
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outside!
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Since this is a soccer forum the portion of this that would seem to most concern us is what happened at UCLA. I agree that it does not look good for Cromwell. She either knew about this or should have known. While the players must have known something was strange, it would be almost impossible for a D1 soccer player to question the coach. It is very sad for the players to go through this turmoil.
Let me see if I follow. The men's team coach, who it seems pretty well established was taking cash to help kids get into the school... calls over to the women's team coach as says "do me a solid" and gets a girl put on the roster of one of the most prestigious and elite teams in the US? That her rich dad is going to help the program unlike the hundreds of other rich dad's trying to get their kid on your roster?
Yeah maybe, but I've got to be honest- my bs detector is ringing something fierce. And if anyone else read the comments page on that LAT story, sounds like I'm not alone in that assessment. What are there 30,000 students at that university and million+ alum? Have to imagine they are all going to have input on how to deal with a coach or anyone else who seemingly just devalued a UCLA degree they put a lot of sweat and tears into earning.
Dos Equis
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Make no mistake, the actual, recruited UCLA players here are additional victims. What these coaches did put their scholarships, their college experiences, and possibly even future soccer careers at risk. That is the primary source of my disappointment. The coaching staff of the women's team displayed extremely poor judgement, and possibly unethical behavior.
Have any UCLA coaches in any sport ever been implicated in unethical recruiting behavior in the past? If so, what happened to that sport (or those sports)?
Sheriff Joe
DA
We have a friend that's playing soccer there in 2020, scary times for them.
Supermodel56
SILVER ELITE
Well, the question is, what devalues the school/program/degree more? Getting rid of Cromwell or keeping her and finding a way to make this go away? If I were an alum, I’d want to move on from this as quickly as possible and stay out of the headlines as much as possible. Firing Cromwell would be huge and. They’d likely start seeing a lot of transfers...
If I were UCLA, I find out if anyone else took payments and if so, they’re gone, no question. As for the rest, all admissions and recruits would have to go through the admissions committee with more oversight and rules around practice squad players, etc...
On the flipside, given there is demand, I can see Universities set up supporter programs where parents can donate to the school and get priority for their kids, students still have requirements to meet and are not guaranteed - perhaps allot a certain number of spots. This way school programs are funded and it ensures in one way or another each student/parent is contributing to the university whether academically or financially. As an applicant, you now have multiple ways to get into the school of your choice.
or Louise Lieberman
Sons of Pitches
SILVER ELITE
Sam Gilbert in the early 80's cast a shadow over the Wooden era and then coach Larry Brown. UCLA was give a 2 year probation, no post season play in 1982 and vacated the 1980 runner-up finish in the national title game. While no coaches were ever directly implicated it was assumed that they knew about Gilbert, they knew he was paying recruits, and they did nothing to stop it.
SpeedK1llz
GOLD
Yes but... In the criminal indictment, it clearly stated that Singer forwarded the transcript and test scores to a "UCLA women's soccer coach". Then on June 28, 2016, the UCLA Student-Athlete Admissions Committee granted "provisional student athlete admission" to Isackson, provided she met certain requirements. One of those was "participating on the UCLA team as a student-athlete for a minimum of one full academic year".
So, the key questions are
1) Does a "team Manager" meet the definition of "student-athlete"?
2) Are team managers issued uniforms?
3) Is it normal/acceptable for someone who is considered a "team manager" to be listed on the team's web site and in their media guide as a player at the position of "Midfielder"?
SpeedK1llz
GOLD
Ahh, forgot about her. This is interesting because wasn't USD implicated in this mess as well? Not sure we got a lot of details on the who and what in that case...
Nice well thought out response. Although I have to ask... did you see they put #41 on the cover of the N.Y. Post today too? A couple days ago I could see possibly saying wait to see which way this goes, but not any more. UCLA is becoming the face of this whole thing.
Sweeping the scandal under the rug and hoping the courts clear the University’s name at this point just means every hungry young reporter and member of the NCAA who is looking to make a name for themselves is going to come calling. The University needs to get ahead of the outrage by being proactive about protecting their name or it’s going to get worse.
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Sons of Pitches
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ooops, forgot Jim Harrick was fired as basketball coach in 1997 for taking two players to dinner, paying the bill and falsifying the expense report. Claimed it was his wife and someone else at the table, not the two players. This amounted to an improper benefit.
Seems to me that paying for dinner and falsifying an expense report is trivial compared to what the women's soccer program condoned in this instance.
Sheriff Joe
DA
College Admissions Scandal
Published 28 mins ago
UCLA student had no business playing for top soccer program: report
Lauren Isackson supposedly played midfielder for UCLA. (UCLA)
A UCLA student whose parents are wrapped up in a nationwide college admissions scandal involving dozens of parents and prominent universities was listed on the university's 2017 women’s soccer team that finished as runner-up to the national champions -- even though she reportedly lacked playing experience.
Lauren Isackson’s 2017 roster profile showed she made the honorable mention team in the West Bay Athletic League in 2014, but prosecutors alleged she never played competitive soccer prior to joining the Bruins, the Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday.
WERE LORI LOUGHLIN AND OTHER COLLEGE ADMISSIONS SCANDAL PARENTS DRIVEN BY THIS BEHAVIORAL DISORDER?
Isackson was part of a recruiting class that was touted by experts as the second-best in the nation, the newspaper reported. Her teammates included Hailie Mace, who went on to make the U.S. national team, and Anika Rodriguez, who was second on the team in points and goals, and Ashley Sanchez, who had participated in U.S. National team camps before joining the Bruins in 2017.
There were no statistics listed for Isackson for the 2017 season despite being listed as a midfielder. Prosecutors said Isackson had no competitive soccer experience before going to UCLA, according to the Los Angeles Times.
“Some team members are on the roster for the purposes of preparing the team for competition, and may not play in games,” UCLA Tod Tamberg told the newspaper Monday, adding that Isackson was no longer on the soccer team, but was still a student at UCLA.
Bruce Isackson and his wife Davina allegedly began conspiring with William “Rick” Singer, who pleaded guilty to several charges of racketeering and money laundering last week, in 2015. Isackson’s fake athletic profile was sent to UCLA men’s soccer coach Jorge Salcedo, according to the newspaper. Salcedo then reportedly passed the teen’s test scores and transcripts to an unnamed coach on the women’s team.
The Isacksons allegedly gave Singer more than 2,100 Facebook stock shares in the form of donations to the Key Worldwide Foundation, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing an affidavit. Singer reportedly used the charity to pay Salcedo and Ali Khosroshahin, a former USC coach who allegedly passed Isackson’s profile to Salcedo.
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Salcedo was the only person from UCLA indicted in the scheme and was placed on leave. The scandal has swept up other high-profile individuals, including Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman
Published 28 mins ago
UCLA student had no business playing for top soccer program: report
Lauren Isackson supposedly played midfielder for UCLA. (UCLA)
A UCLA student whose parents are wrapped up in a nationwide college admissions scandal involving dozens of parents and prominent universities was listed on the university's 2017 women’s soccer team that finished as runner-up to the national champions -- even though she reportedly lacked playing experience.
Lauren Isackson’s 2017 roster profile showed she made the honorable mention team in the West Bay Athletic League in 2014, but prosecutors alleged she never played competitive soccer prior to joining the Bruins, the Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday.
WERE LORI LOUGHLIN AND OTHER COLLEGE ADMISSIONS SCANDAL PARENTS DRIVEN BY THIS BEHAVIORAL DISORDER?
Isackson was part of a recruiting class that was touted by experts as the second-best in the nation, the newspaper reported. Her teammates included Hailie Mace, who went on to make the U.S. national team, and Anika Rodriguez, who was second on the team in points and goals, and Ashley Sanchez, who had participated in U.S. National team camps before joining the Bruins in 2017.
There were no statistics listed for Isackson for the 2017 season despite being listed as a midfielder. Prosecutors said Isackson had no competitive soccer experience before going to UCLA, according to the Los Angeles Times.
“Some team members are on the roster for the purposes of preparing the team for competition, and may not play in games,” UCLA Tod Tamberg told the newspaper Monday, adding that Isackson was no longer on the soccer team, but was still a student at UCLA.
Bruce Isackson and his wife Davina allegedly began conspiring with William “Rick” Singer, who pleaded guilty to several charges of racketeering and money laundering last week, in 2015. Isackson’s fake athletic profile was sent to UCLA men’s soccer coach Jorge Salcedo, according to the newspaper. Salcedo then reportedly passed the teen’s test scores and transcripts to an unnamed coach on the women’s team.
The Isacksons allegedly gave Singer more than 2,100 Facebook stock shares in the form of donations to the Key Worldwide Foundation, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing an affidavit. Singer reportedly used the charity to pay Salcedo and Ali Khosroshahin, a former USC coach who allegedly passed Isackson’s profile to Salcedo.
CLICK HERE TO GET THE FOX NEWS APP
Salcedo was the only person from UCLA indicted in the scheme and was placed on leave. The scandal has swept up other high-profile individuals, including Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman
gefelchnik
SILVER
The kids on the teams are victims. Greed by adults who they trusted.
On another thread a parent said that the speculation is off-base....so we will see. If this is the case the school needs to aggressively push back ASAP, as the national media now has this story and is running with it.
soccerobserver
GOLD
I agree Gflnk, and the Bruin spokesman laid out the defense:
"UCLA spokesman Tod Tamberg said he was barred from discussing individual students, citing student privacy laws.
But he said teams at UCLA were composed of “student-athletes with varying levels of athletic achievements.”"
Translation: Exactly...varying levels of talent...please move along, nothing to see here folks...
If no money was exchanged by the women's coaches then I think they are all clear. Also, Salecedo could have concocted a lie to the women's side to grease the deal. We don't know. If there is a reprimand for the women's coach it can be handled internally and privately. Cromwell has a great reputation, seems beloved by her players, and has taken the team to the highest levels, which is important at UCLA.
No college has a better PR staff than UCLA, except maybe USC.
Messi>CR7
GOLD
That's the part I'm not 100% sure. How important is one women' sport compared to UCLA's overall reputation in the grand scheme of things? We, the people on this forum, value the accomplishment of the women' soccer team. But I can honestly tell you I can't name another UCLA head coach other than the men's football and basketball coaches.
In any case, I agree UCLA needs to move quickly to get out of the spotlight so they can hire Rick Pitino soon
.Sons of Pitches
SILVER ELITE
Tod Tamberg said, " Some team memebers are on the roster for the purpose of preparing the team for competitiion, and may not play in games." How in the heck can you say this is a GREAT PR statement. Please explain to me what purpose Lauren Isachson could have possibly served in helping the team prepare for competition. She had no soccer talent or experience. Did she ride a pony around the field to try and distract players? Did she regale them with stories of her most memorbale athletic acheivement, jusmping horses over rails? What function did she serve to help prepare the team. please Mr. Tamberg enlighten me.
I agree... these sorts of non-answers are just going to make people even madder. Did anyone read the comments left on the UCLA article in the LATimes? I just don't get the feeling this isn't just going blow over with a two sentence response about how they can't talk about the issues because of rights of the people who gamed the system.
pitchplease
SILVER ELITE
I understand UCLA is one component to this. But, what about the other Cali school in question? I realize the coach isn't there anymore, but will they face sanctions? Or any of the other schools for that matter? Yale? Same thing. Coach left, but what are the ramifications in this train wreck?