Caltek
SILVER ELITE
They do keep track if you look at downtown is the only team to reach 20 points over cards and the have had a point deducted off there record. 1 win and 2 ties equals 5 points and they have 4 points.
Referees - what can we all do to improve the situation?
- Thread starter Paul Spacey
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I’m not a math major. But didn’t the post above mine say that a red card is 2 points? And once you hit 20 points, you lose a point in your standings?
Or am I missing something?
Caltek
SILVER ELITE
Your right my mistake a red is 3 points.
Caltek
SILVER ELITE
Another added measure is 1st red miss current game and next game second red miss an additional 2 games so 4 total for the offender weather player or coach. 3rd red miss remainder of season.
That is probably one of the things that upsets me most. The fact that they are getting paid and many of them walk up to you before a game and the first thing they say is "do you have your fees?" Then go on to act like they don't care out there and its just a youth game ( which it is but come on.) I realize people make mistakes and coaches ( a lot ) can be a pain but they are getting paid to be there to at least act like you care. If they make a bad call but consistent with it then I tell my girls to adjust but if they are lazy, cant keep up and more concerned about other things then its frustrating.
For example, this past weekend my team had a veteran crew. They were using the headsets to communicate to each other...sounds like a great idea. However, they were just having random conversations and at one point were talking about the Dodgers. My girls were looking at me wondering who the AR was talking to and I just shook my head. Later in that game the CR called a bogus foul on my defender and when I expressed my disagreement he ignored it so I turned to the AR and asked what he saw. Of course he told me to sit down. At that point I was upset and told him "maybe if you paid attention to the game and not talking about the damn dodgers you would be able to help out the center." Of course this struck a nerve and he turned running towards me yelling at me to focus on coaching and to let them call the game. Officials who can admit a mistake even if there are a lot of them would be more preferred than others with an ego and get upset when you call them out about something that is true.
After the game a parent (who is also a referee) came down and talked to me saying they like the headsets because "sometimes the games can get boring so it helps to pass the time" I just looked at him and wanted to laugh. Maybe next time don't show up and get paid if they just want to talk about random things during the game.
GunninGopher
SILVER ELITE
Those comm systems are expensive. I think they're trying to get the most bang for their buck!!
Truthfully, every crew I've seen with them are pretty solid.
Haha yeah they weren't actually bad but just the fact that they were having those conversations then got upset with me when I called them out on it.
Surfref
PREMIER
I have used them and never had useless chit chat except one time. We always kept our comments to game events. I was the center in a HS semi a couple years ago and we used headsets. One of my ARs was a little talkative until I asked him to keep the talk to game issues only. His useless comments were just distracting and not needed.
Many mention here that the outcome of these games is meaningless. Not completely true. CSL promotes and demotes based on where you finish. 8 team league sees only the top 2-3 teams move up, bottom team move down. One game can make a difference. I liked this at first, but I can now see some of the positives of SCDSL where the club has some control what level they play at.
baldref
GOLD
I’ve done so many games, it is likely. Picture Howard Webb with a hat and gogglesAm I the only one here that would love to meet Surfref or Baldref in person? Makes me wonder if they have done one of my daughters games.
younothat
PREMIER
As spectators we tend to like to "Monday morning" all decisions and most refs are over scrutinized by fans but what about other sports?
They can become the story line instead of the game or the players. In Baseball once a ref gets a reputation can be hard to overcome that
"How Angel Hernandez is still umpiring let alone the playoffs is unreal to me. He is far the worst umpire in the league. Every year."
https://twitter.com/paulloduca16/status/1049456588732297216
Hernandez had himself an embarrassing Game 3, becoming the first umpire in the replay era to have three calls overturned in a postseason game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...-not-reason-you-think/?utm_term=.1f2fdfbe9db3
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...lown-call-ill-get-the-next-one-right/?src=rss
I dunno but at least MLB has the ability to review & overturn calls and make things right.
They can become the story line instead of the game or the players. In Baseball once a ref gets a reputation can be hard to overcome that
"How Angel Hernandez is still umpiring let alone the playoffs is unreal to me. He is far the worst umpire in the league. Every year."
https://twitter.com/paulloduca16/status/1049456588732297216
Hernandez had himself an embarrassing Game 3, becoming the first umpire in the replay era to have three calls overturned in a postseason game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...-not-reason-you-think/?utm_term=.1f2fdfbe9db3
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...lown-call-ill-get-the-next-one-right/?src=rss
I dunno but at least MLB has the ability to review & overturn calls and make things right.
jrcaesar
SILVER ELITE
SCDSL benefit: Makes it easier to keep a team together, or a coach/team to stay in your club. Finish 3rd in silver 2 years in a row and everyone's ready to find something else. One B05 team we play jumped to become a BIG club's "Flight 1" team. (They are as much a Flight 1 team as anyone, I suppose. Just looking at the B05 Flight 1s, looks like 8 of 34 teams are dominating.)
Soccer Dad & Ref
SILVER ELITE
Plus one in favor for instituting a rating system for coaches and referees. Should be added to the online reporting system. Of course you can't look at only a few reviews, but like others said, it will become obvious when there are consistently low or high scores.
GunninGopher
SILVER ELITE
The problem is that you have managers doing the game reporting. Many are quite ignorant. They are just parents. It has to be a somewhat knowlegable person doing it. I could accept the coach doing it, but not a manager.
Surfref
PREMIER
My ARs were good today and the other ref that did a Center as good. We did get to see a knucklehead Center referee. 5 minutes into his G13 game the ball goes out for a throw in and he calls one of the girls over. Tells her she forgot to take one of her earrings out and issues her a yellow card and tells the girl coach he has to sub her out. You don’t give a yellow card for a piece of jewelry and they don’t have to be subbed out, just step off and remove the jewelry and can come back in at the next stoppage. There were also several other questionable calls.
In a game with limited subsitituiom rules, does sending a girl off to take out her earrings count?
Not talking about “step off and take them out then re-enter”.
Talking about a girl coming off of the field and being replaced by another player.
I’ve also heard that in the event a player has illegal equipment (ie- wearing earrings or not wearing shin guards) then the coach is issued a warning or yellow card.
Not talking about “step off and take them out then re-enter”.
Talking about a girl coming off of the field and being replaced by another player.
I’ve also heard that in the event a player has illegal equipment (ie- wearing earrings or not wearing shin guards) then the coach is issued a warning or yellow card.
twoclubpapa
SILVER ELITE
In high school the coach, rather than the player, gets the caution for the first illegally equipped player. The coach is responsible for the players being legally and properly equipped and the referee is required to ask the question "Are all your players legally and properly equipped?" before the match starts, The caution to the coach is because the coach has made an incorrect representation to the referee. The second and subsequent players on the same team with illegal equipment get cautions.
The HS referee association here in OC makes it a point of emphasis in preseason referee training that we should be proactive in trying to avoid the need to caution a coach for a player's illegal equipment by informally checking the players before the game and calling their attention to illegal equipment issues before the game starts.
Surfref
PREMIER
We are talking about youth soccer and the LOTG, not HS rules. The coach has the option of subbing the player out or just having them step off to fix the problem. No one should be cautioned for forgetting to take off a bracelet, necklace or earrings. I will usually just have the player give me the jewelry and when I am near the bench give it to the coach. I also do this in HS games which helps get me on the coach’s good side.
The referee that carded the player for having earrings in was from San Diego Soccer Referee Association (SDSRA). It is actually his fault because he did not properly check in the players.
What would the correct procedure be, if he did tell her to remove the earrings and she did, but then put them back on when she walked away. Would this be cause to issue a yellow?
Witnessed 4 games in League Cup today. 3 parents ejected, 1 assistant coach ejected and a coach almost ejected (after screaming at the CR in Spanish including some obscenities...just got a warning). I stepped up in the game after my son's game as an AR because the AR did not show up...did it as a volunteer...still got BS from the sideline. Both CRs were really fantastic and managed to control the games which were wildly physically spinning out of control and through no malice of any of the players (no dirty play for the sake of dirty play).
Having seen it this bad now, I have to agree that the coach's set the tone and there's no excuse for the behavior. 1) still think we need mandatory continuing education including a mandatory module on behavior/ethics, and 2) a no tolerance policy if the coaches misbehave.
Having seen it this bad now, I have to agree that the coach's set the tone and there's no excuse for the behavior. 1) still think we need mandatory continuing education including a mandatory module on behavior/ethics, and 2) a no tolerance policy if the coaches misbehave.