San Diego Area?

Mid level, good touch, good knowledge/vision, not fast, not big, uses both feet both but is not aggressive enough to be good yet, needs to learn some things but is getting better. I hoped she would quit but she actually wants to play. I have an older kid so have seen a lot of the changes and know a lot of the coaches/clubs and what they do. My kid needs a coach that understands how girls work, cares enough to shows up 15 min before practice starts, and is encouraging. That's what mid level means to me. High level girls don't need some of that.

Not sure about rumors I heard today but you may be right. I don't know what CSL, SCDSL or SDDA will be like next year with no Carlsbad, Albion, Surf. These are extra strange times as a parent. Because of all of the changes what I thought was a good situation ended up not so good, not the first time that has happened. A few years ago being on a B-team for Surf wasn't bad. Maybe with the changes it won't be so bad again? I don't think the Albion situation is going to end very well. Any insight on the Sharks and Surf? Will the B and C teams be valued at all?
Albion situation? Do tell
 
If we are being brutally honest I would avoid the B team situation at Surf 2004 like the plague as well as the Sharks ECNL and below teams due to the coach plain and simple
If you are looking for a good team :
NOTTS FOREST- local, great coach, has beaten many of the bigs this year
REBELS- consistent and can see whose coaching
SDSC- Montoya is a good coach always a solid group of girls and families- solid development but lots of tourneys
LAGSD- I don't know who is coaching the 04 B but I like what they are doing
SD FORCE- formerly Arsenal . Adrian is doing 04 and they are looking for players. 03 a is Jose and no one is better than that guy!
If it were me and I was looking mid level, local I would firmly choose either Notts or FORCE with the Ocampos
In response to the LAGSD coaching assignments: http://lagalaxysd.com/teams/
 
There is no Situation to my knowledge?
Toumi already chose his DA which is a mix of a lot of different clubs. Noah taking over B team at 2004.
Albion never been a top ten team in this age group? That hasn't changed.
True. But still curious what "Alone's" take is about?
 
Don't get me wrong I am curious as well.
DA has been chosen though and he's talking mid level teams.
I would never hit a B team at a big club if you had solid locals like NFFC to at least try for.
 
Mid level, good touch, good knowledge/vision, not fast, not big, uses both feet both but is not aggressive enough to be good yet, needs to learn some things but is getting better. I hoped she would quit but she actually wants to play. I have an older kid so have seen a lot of the changes and know a lot of the coaches/clubs and what they do. My kid needs a coach that understands how girls work, cares enough to shows up 15 min before practice starts, and is encouraging. That's what mid level means to me. High level girls don't need some of that.

Not sure about rumors I heard today but you may be right. I don't know what CSL, SCDSL or SDDA will be like next year with no Carlsbad, Albion, Surf. These are extra strange times as a parent. Because of all of the changes what I thought was a good situation ended up not so good, not the first time that has happened. A few years ago being on a B-team for Surf wasn't bad. Maybe with the changes it won't be so bad again? I don't think the Albion situation is going to end very well. Any insight on the Sharks and Surf? Will the B and C teams be valued at all?
My DD is on the Surf B team. I would take every opinion about coaches with a grain of salt. It is not bad to get information but typically I find very strong opinions lead to biased information. I am sure we have parents that don't care for our coach, but the majority are very happy with our coach.

Last year's B team coach for GU12 was not liked by the parents and is no longer with the club, but after the age group split the majority are happy with what we have going on with our team.

My advice is to look at all clubs that interest you and contact the coach directly. If you are able to get your DD to practice with the team try and go to a practice before or after tryouts (depending on when they occurred). Then listen to you DD on her experience and whether or not she liked the coach and the players she practiced with.

I would disagree with the comment that Surf doesn't care about their B or C teams. Our girls were constantly evaluated throughout the year by our A team coach.
 
This is 2004.
Are you talking about Condliffe?
Because if you are talking about him I assume you know the 2003 revolted against having him which is why Tonks took over?
I also assume the fact that condliffe lost five players (three or which for concerns over favoritism) had him posting here for players in Nov?
I also assume you know that his frequent abscences due to medical issues would create concerns?
Listen I am not emotional at all. This is fact based information.
This is a coach who was not wanted by an older group, had significant retention issues.
As for Pauley evaluating you- no. He evaluated one of you.
Again sorry to rain on the parade but if he was evaluating any B team why did he extend offers to Blues players, LAGSD and some Strikers? Why did he transfer PRE STATE CUP three more players on to his team?
That does not show loyalty not that he "cares".
Surf recruits from outside, not a B team
 
^ heard the same very clearly. I see nothing wrong with recruiting and getting the best team you can.I know it's difficult but in this case it serves larger clubs well to recruit outside, keep the B team players hanging on "we are still evaluating she's right on the bubble" until "tryouts" and then they stay where they are many times too late to transfer to a DA elsewhere or whatever. I say this because from what I have seen in tourneys ALOT OF THOSE GIRLS can be on an A team in any other club so it's not a reflection on the girls. DA calls were made in January for 04 to a lot of my DD friends.
If a player likes GC that's great but I haven't heard that too often.
If this poster is an 05 parent I can see the confusion about the teams
 
You seem like an honest parent who wants the best for their girl and is realistic.
Due to that I will be frank with you. There has never nor will there ever be a time when a B or C team parent or child is valued at Surf. Save your self the 3k, bad coaches at 04 all the way down and go to a local good club like SDSC, NFFC or even more local than that. Think she is on the fence now on whether to play or not? Put her at B or C at Surf at 04 and watch her quit by July

Not on the fence, I am. As an adult with diminishing years ahead of me I consider the driving, money, and parents and ask for what? Despite that and my band a disappointing end to the season and stupid adult issues she wants to play.

There was a time. I know Surf is Surf, and probably a little Surfier now, but there was a time back in the Blue and White days that the B an A teams actually competed. Back then there was a Notts/hot spurs/Brat/ Crusaders team that could also compete, sometimes win. Once SCDSL and ENCL came that all changed. I really don't know where a kid like mine should go. A couple of other parents from my kids current team are in the same position. 3K is too much, is that what Surf and Sharks want? Albion does almost, NFFC isn't cheap nearly 2K now, I think SDSC is close. Hotspurs is cheap, United/Rebels/impact/Crusaders not so bad, I don't think most of these differ too much in coaching and offerings.
There is no Situation to my knowledge?
Toumi already chose his DA which is a mix of a lot of different clubs. Noah taking over B team at 2004.
Albion never been a top ten team in this age group? That hasn't changed.
Exactly. This isn't how any of this is supposed to work.
 
Mid level, good touch, good knowledge/vision, not fast, not big, uses both feet both but is not aggressive enough to be good yet, needs to learn some things but is getting better. I hoped she would quit but she actually wants to play. I have an older kid so have seen a lot of the changes and know a lot of the coaches/clubs and what they do. My kid needs a coach that understands how girls work, cares enough to shows up 15 min before practice starts, and is encouraging. That's what mid level means to me. High level girls don't need some of that.

Not sure about rumors I heard today but you may be right. I don't know what CSL, SCDSL or SDDA will be like next year with no Carlsbad, Albion, Surf. These are extra strange times as a parent. Because of all of the changes what I thought was a good situation ended up not so good, not the first time that has happened. A few years ago being on a B-team for Surf wasn't bad. Maybe with the changes it won't be so bad again? I don't think the Albion situation is going to end very well. Any insight on the Sharks and Surf? Will the B and C teams be valued at all?
Not on the fence, I am. As an adult with diminishing years ahead of me I consider the driving, money, and parents and ask for what? Despite that and my band a disappointing end to the season and stupid adult issues she wants to play.

There was a time. I know Surf is Surf, and probably a little Surfier now, but there was a time back in the Blue and White days that the B an A teams actually competed. Back then there was a Notts/hot spurs/Brat/ Crusaders team that could also compete, sometimes win. Once SCDSL and ENCL came that all changed. I really don't know where a kid like mine should go. A couple of other parents from my kids current team are in the same position. 3K is too much, is that what Surf and Sharks want? Albion does almost, NFFC isn't cheap nearly 2K now, I think SDSC is close. Hotspurs is cheap, United/Rebels/impact/Crusaders not so bad, I don't think most of these differ too much in coaching and offerings.

Exactly. This isn't how any of this is supposed to work.
Surf/Sharks/Albion teams might play in SCDSL and majority of flight 2 teams outside of SD county can be physical. If this is something your daughter isn't used to, it could impact her confidence. Why not try Scripps? Sounds like it will fit your pocket, and local
 
This is 2004.
Are you talking about Condliffe?
Because if you are talking about him I assume you know the 2003 revolted against having him which is why Tonks took over?
I also assume the fact that condliffe lost five players (three or which for concerns over favoritism) had him posting here for players in Nov?
I also assume you know that his frequent abscences due to medical issues would create concerns?
Listen I am not emotional at all. This is fact based information.
This is a coach who was not wanted by an older group, had significant retention issues.
As for Pauley evaluating you- no. He evaluated one of you.
Again sorry to rain on the parade but if he was evaluating any B team why did he extend offers to Blues players, LAGSD and some Strikers? Why did he transfer PRE STATE CUP three more players on to his team?
That does not show loyalty not that he "cares".
Surf recruits from outside, not a B team
Yes, my DD does play on GC’s 04 Team which just ended tonight when we lost 0 to 1 to Duggan’s team in Nationals. I have heard about GC’s 03 team, but I can’t respond as I don’t have first-hand knowledge. I can just give you first-hand experience from one family that played for GC’s 04 team this past year.

I can’t speak for all of our parents, but I feel pretty confident that the majority of our parents and girls liked Gary as a coach and felt we had a great season in which are girls developed. Yes, we had a great group of skilled girls, but our coach certainly played a big role.

I can tell you that every girl on our team practiced with Pauly’s Team on a continual basis at different points throughout the season. Maybe you don’t call that evaluation, but Pauly has coached our team during practices and has filled in for a few games, so I do think that all of our girls have had a fair look. Yes, one of our players got a better look and had the opportunity to play on Pauly’s team during a tournament or two and CRL, but Pauly has looked at all of our girls. If you don’t want to call that evaluation fine, we can play semantics and say he only evaluated 1 girl on our team.

Your information that we lost 5 players is incorrect. We had 15 players (2 of which are full time keepers) and we lost 1 player giving us only 12 field players, so yes GC was probably looking for more players in Nov and yes we did pickup 3 new players before Nationals.

My point to Alone was pretty simple. Look at all the information, but take it all with a grain of salt. After all, it is all just opinion (including mine). Maybe what happened with GC’s 03 team carries some weight, but so should the fact that many parents had a great season with GC on his 04 team.

I can tell you that Striker17, mentioned a team that Alone should look at while saying don’t look at Surf or Sharks. Based on first-hand experience, I would never recommend any girl ever play for that particular coach. I hold that coach in very low regard. But I know 3 families that love that coach and their daughters love that coach. I would never state on a public forum that a player should avoid a coach or a team because of my opinion.

The reality is every soccer family and player has different goals, different personalities, and are looking for different things. While a particular club or coach might not be a good fit for some families it might be the perfect fit for other families. Blanket statements that any teams should be avoided are simply biased. Maybe my daughter could make a lot of A teams out there, but for the quality of our B team, this is one family that is perfectly happy to be on GC’s B team next year.
 
Yes, my DD does play on GC’s 04 Team which just ended tonight when we lost 0 to 1 to Duggan’s team in Nationals. I have heard about GC’s 03 team, but I can’t respond as I don’t have first-hand knowledge. I can just give you first-hand experience from one family that played for GC’s 04 team this past year.

I can’t speak for all of our parents, but I feel pretty confident that the majority of our parents and girls liked Gary as a coach and felt we had a great season in which are girls developed. Yes, we had a great group of skilled girls, but our coach certainly played a big role.

I can tell you that every girl on our team practiced with Pauly’s Team on a continual basis at different points throughout the season. Maybe you don’t call that evaluation, but Pauly has coached our team during practices and has filled in for a few games, so I do think that all of our girls have had a fair look. Yes, one of our players got a better look and had the opportunity to play on Pauly’s team during a tournament or two and CRL, but Pauly has looked at all of our girls. If you don’t want to call that evaluation fine, we can play semantics and say he only evaluated 1 girl on our team.

Your information that we lost 5 players is incorrect. We had 15 players (2 of which are full time keepers) and we lost 1 player giving us only 12 field players, so yes GC was probably looking for more players in Nov and yes we did pickup 3 new players before Nationals.

My point to Alone was pretty simple. Look at all the information, but take it all with a grain of salt. After all, it is all just opinion (including mine). Maybe what happened with GC’s 03 team carries some weight, but so should the fact that many parents had a great season with GC on his 04 team.

I can tell you that Striker17, mentioned a team that Alone should look at while saying don’t look at Surf or Sharks. Based on first-hand experience, I would never recommend any girl ever play for that particular coach. I hold that coach in very low regard. But I know 3 families that love that coach and their daughters love that coach. I would never state on a public forum that a player should avoid a coach or a team because of my opinion.

The reality is every soccer family and player has different goals, different personalities, and are looking for different things. While a particular club or coach might not be a good fit for some families it might be the perfect fit for other families. Blanket statements that any teams should be avoided are simply biased. Maybe my daughter could make a lot of A teams out there, but for the quality of our B team, this is one family that is perfectly happy to be on GC’s B team next year.

For what it's worth GC has your girls playing Very good soccer. They played hard today. The 2 best "B" teams in the country are Blues Kale and Surf B hands down. Looking forward to having at least one or two join us next year.
 
@SoccerQ120- thank you for a good description of the season and clarifying some mistaken information previously written on this forum about our team and coach. I am also a parent on the 2004 GC Surf team. Very proud of our girls performance this weekend and all season. This has been a cohesive group of girls and families and a pleasure to be with on the sidelines. GC has created an atmosphere of learning, development and respect for one another. From the beginning of this season the girls have worked together as a team and that shows on the field. There are no big egos and GC has coached in manner that they win or lose TOGETHER.

While I can not speak for all of the parents, this close knit group has expressed time and time again, their support for GC. One great thing about SoCal soccer is there are a lot of option for teams, clubs and coaches. To @Alone, find an environment that challenges your dd, develops her soccer iq and skills, and most importantly where she is happy. This 2004 GC surf family is very happy to return to this team and this coach for another great experience.
 
Yes, my DD does play on GC’s 04 Team which just ended tonight when we lost 0 to 1 to Duggan’s team in Nationals. I have heard about GC’s 03 team, but I can’t respond as I don’t have first-hand knowledge. I can just give you first-hand experience from one family that played for GC’s 04 team this past year.

I can’t speak for all of our parents, but I feel pretty confident that the majority of our parents and girls liked Gary as a coach and felt we had a great season in which are girls developed. Yes, we had a great group of skilled girls, but our coach certainly played a big role.

I can tell you that every girl on our team practiced with Pauly’s Team on a continual basis at different points throughout the season. Maybe you don’t call that evaluation, but Pauly has coached our team during practices and has filled in for a few games, so I do think that all of our girls have had a fair look. Yes, one of our players got a better look and had the opportunity to play on Pauly’s team during a tournament or two and CRL, but Pauly has looked at all of our girls. If you don’t want to call that evaluation fine, we can play semantics and say he only evaluated 1 girl on our team.

Your information that we lost 5 players is incorrect. We had 15 players (2 of which are full time keepers) and we lost 1 player giving us only 12 field players, so yes GC was probably looking for more players in Nov and yes we did pickup 3 new players before Nationals.

My point to Alone was pretty simple. Look at all the information, but take it all with a grain of salt. After all, it is all just opinion (including mine). Maybe what happened with GC’s 03 team carries some weight, but so should the fact that many parents had a great season with GC on his 04 team.

I can tell you that Striker17, mentioned a team that Alone should look at while saying don’t look at Surf or Sharks. Based on first-hand experience, I would never recommend any girl ever play for that particular coach. I hold that coach in very low regard. But I know 3 families that love that coach and their daughters love that coach. I would never state on a public forum that a player should avoid a coach or a team because of my opinion.

The reality is every soccer family and player has different goals, different personalities, and are looking for different things. While a particular club or coach might not be a good fit for some families it might be the perfect fit for other families. Blanket statements that any teams should be avoided are simply biased. Maybe my daughter could make a lot of A teams out there, but for the quality of our B team, this is one family that is perfectly happy to be on GC’s B team next year.

Let me start off by saying your team is a great one and I wish all the girls success. My post was to highlight some concerns that have been made about gc and about that age group at Surf. Nothing more nothing less. In the spirit of exchanging info bias does get in the way. I personally have none against GC or PD but have been not "concerned" but more shocked at what I hear. When a parent comes on here asking info I will share it because for me it's not about feelings its about info.
1. I know he lost more than one. I know because my friend left as well. His roster was low and he had to scramble
2. It is not semantics to talk about Pauley in my opinion. Pauley coaching a training and a game isn't an evaluation.
IF EVERY PARENT was as open and objective as you and calm about this process of tryouts then I agree it's a non issue. I speak from a parent and friend though when I say a lot of B team parents (and many on your team) were promised things to come over from other teams and we know that isn't happening. They were promised DA or some hybrid of that all the while he had Blues and LAGSD players in his back pocket .
If you think it is ok that Pauley recruits, openly seeks out and promises other players spots rather than B team players (many who have been with club since 8) then that is ok. This is a forum though and parent to parent it's important to show that while Surf does that LAGSD for example DOES NOT. Pauleys DA has been formed since January.
You need to be eyes wide open and know that special practices went from Nov to Jan and not one time at any special practice did any B team player come (except the one he pulled up). If you are ok with that , again fine, but it's not rumor.
3. You are right opinion is opinion. I also think though that's Surf likes to operate in a veil of secrecy to keep families there. I would go to Surf for certain coaches and my daughter was heavily recruited by them. I cannot in good faith though not be honest with a parent seeking information because it's part of the clubs culture. For me I could care less but I think parents should know. My coach is cutthroat and we know we are all replaceable but our parents don't operate under false assumptions.
4. I think that coaches should show up to games and practices. If they are unable to do so I think it should be looked at.

All in all as I always say a forum is simply an exchange of ideas.
I for one though believe parents need to be more honest and open with what is actually going on at clubs with everything so they can make informed decisions. It's like talking to a friend we do all have bias but there is always an ounce of truth. A lot of young girls are getting into situations with bad coaches because parents don't speak up frankly.
I am not implying that Surf has "issues" anymore than anyone else. Last year at this time it was an 04 Slam Blues fest- parents have the right to share information and perceptions.
I didn't agree with it but have to say there was definetly truth.
 
@SoccerQ120- thank you for a good description of the season and clarifying some mistaken information previously written on this forum about our team and coach. I am also a parent on the 2004 GC Surf team. Very proud of our girls performance this weekend and all season. This has been a cohesive group of girls and families and a pleasure to be with on the sidelines. GC has created an atmosphere of learning, development and respect for one another. From the beginning of this season the girls have worked together as a team and that shows on the field. There are no big egos and GC has coached in manner that they win or lose TOGETHER.

While I can not speak for all of the parents, this close knit group has expressed time and time again, their support for GC. One great thing about SoCal soccer is there are a lot of option for teams, clubs and coaches. To @Alone, find an environment that challenges your dd, develops her soccer iq and skills, and most importantly where she is happy. This 2004 GC surf family is very happy to return to this team and this coach for another great experience.

See previous reply. Again happy that you are having a great year. I think all one has to do is look at LAGSD and how they have grown due to cohesion. There is no doubt the girls are talented and there is no doubt they will be a force to be reckoned with at ECNL.
I share another posters thought though that I sure wish some of you would come visit another club because we would love to have you. Selfish I suppose...
 
Surf/Sharks/Albion teams might play in SCDSL and majority of flight 2 teams outside of SD county can be physical. If this is something your daughter isn't used to, it could impact her confidence. Why not try Scripps? Sounds like it will fit your pocket, and local

If she is not a physical player, she will not be able to compete in flight 1. That's just reality. I agree that scripps is a nice local club. And cheaper than other clubs around. If you don't mind her being on a b team there is also rebels if you are in that area. The coaching there is solid.
 
If she is not a physical player, she will not be able to compete in flight 1. That's just reality. I agree that scripps is a nice local club. And cheaper than other clubs around. If you don't mind her being on a b team there is also rebels if you are in that area. The coaching there is solid.
We don't play for Rebels, but my daughter had guested and trained with them. I agree coaching is solid, even down to the lower teams. I wish we have something close to this in North county. I was excited to see Liverpool branching out in Mira Mesa, but that was short-lived.
 
Yes, my DD does play on GC’s 04 Team which just ended tonight when we lost 0 to 1 to Duggan’s team in Nationals. I have heard about GC’s 03 team, but I can’t respond as I don’t have first-hand knowledge. I can just give you first-hand experience from one family that played for GC’s 04 team this past year.

I can’t speak for all of our parents, but I feel pretty confident that the majority of our parents and girls liked Gary as a coach and felt we had a great season in which are girls developed. Yes, we had a great group of skilled girls, but our coach certainly played a big role.

I can tell you that every girl on our team practiced with Pauly’s Team on a continual basis at different points throughout the season. Maybe you don’t call that evaluation, but Pauly has coached our team during practices and has filled in for a few games, so I do think that all of our girls have had a fair look. Yes, one of our players got a better look and had the opportunity to play on Pauly’s team during a tournament or two and CRL, but Pauly has looked at all of our girls. If you don’t want to call that evaluation fine, we can play semantics and say he only evaluated 1 girl on our team.

Your information that we lost 5 players is incorrect. We had 15 players (2 of which are full time keepers) and we lost 1 player giving us only 12 field players, so yes GC was probably looking for more players in Nov and yes we did pickup 3 new players before Nationals.

My point to Alone was pretty simple. Look at all the information, but take it all with a grain of salt. After all, it is all just opinion (including mine). Maybe what happened with GC’s 03 team carries some weight, but so should the fact that many parents had a great season with GC on his 04 team.

I can tell you that Striker17, mentioned a team that Alone should look at while saying don’t look at Surf or Sharks. Based on first-hand experience, I would never recommend any girl ever play for that particular coach. I hold that coach in very low regard. But I know 3 families that love that coach and their daughters love that coach. I would never state on a public forum that a player should avoid a coach or a team because of my opinion.

The reality is every soccer family and player has different goals, different personalities, and are looking for different things. While a particular club or coach might not be a good fit for some families it might be the perfect fit for other families. Blanket statements that any teams should be avoided are simply biased. Maybe my daughter could make a lot of A teams out there, but for the quality of our B team, this is one family that is perfectly happy to be on GC’s B team next year.

All about anonyminity in a soccer forum but if these posts are new parents who came from another club mid season you do not see the full picture of what happened this last season.
So yes, all opinion should be taken with a groan of salt especially if from parents who left a club to go to another before State Cup.
 
All about anonyminity in a soccer forum but if these posts are new parents who came from another club mid season you do not see the full picture of what happened this last season.
So yes, all opinion should be taken with a groan of salt especially if from parents who left a club to go to another before State Cup.
Thank you for that feedback. Again, I can't speak for anyone else, but we have been with this team from the beginning of the season after the last tryout. We of course are aware of the one player that left mid season to pursue other interests. References to other players leaving were a result of changing clubs last tryout season. And btw, one of those players has returned to play for GC. We are hopeful that everyone in this age group finds a coach and team they value, as we have with GC at Surf.
 
This is 2004.
Are you talking about Condliffe?
Because if you are talking about him I assume you know the 2003 revolted against having him which is why Tonks took over?
I also assume the fact that condliffe lost five players (three or which for concerns over favoritism) had him posting here for players in Nov?
I also assume you know that his frequent abscences due to medical issues would create concerns?
Listen I am not emotional at all. This is fact based information.
This is a coach who was not wanted by an older group, had significant retention issues.
As for Pauley evaluating you- no. He evaluated one of you.
Again sorry to rain on the parade but if he was evaluating any B team why did he extend offers to Blues players, LAGSD and some Strikers? Why did he transfer PRE STATE CUP three more players on to his team?
That does not show loyalty not that he "cares".
Surf recruits from outside, not a B team

5 players? I call BS. If he lost players due to concerns over favoritism, good since the only favoritism I have seen him show is for good, hardworking players. And at this age this is exactly who should be getting playing time.

I have seen parts of games of this team including Manchester Cup. They pass the ball well and there are no show offs. Every win is due to the hard work of the entire team. The parents are supportive on the sidelines too. GC has done a great job building this team with the age change.

Now as far as the things you have heard, I have heard the same, probably from the same people. But what you have to remember is the history of this age group. The 03's and 04's are the product of the Steveo generation and entitled parents buying privileges. Add to this the pres dd being an 04 and you create a toxic situation of families with unrealistic expectations based on friendships. If you recall, the 04 A team final roster had to be redone this year due to certain players not making the team.

The B team has done a great job staying out of this mess this year with GC at the helm. Continue to stay out of the drama and they will do more great things in the future.
 
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