RandomSoccerFan
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Not if it doesn't exist and you're misinterpreting what actually happened. If you don't want people to keep telling you that your interpretations are incorrect - stop posting things that can be easily disproven.
Youth Soccer Rankings ?
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RandomSoccerFan
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And there it is. Still not my app. It evidently continues to be your place to continue to misunderstand basic math and spout conspiracy theories.
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This App has proven to be ridiculously accurate time and time again. Even when MLS got upset about the scores going into it and tried to hide all the MLS Next match results a couple years ago. MLS goes through a lot to ensure the teams don't see challenges from outside leagues. There is a reason; they don't like to be exposed for being only nominally better than than their competition.
Is there a plan to update the app anytime soon to reflect the correct age brackets? There was an update a few months ago replacing birth year with the Under XYZ naming structure, however the brackets are labeled incorrectly. All the age brackets are off by a whole year and still based of last years ages. More importantly, since most of the teams have changed their names to align with the new age brackets, there are now 1000s of "new" teams in the unranked category creating a complete disaster in the app, not to mention they are being placed in the wrong year as well.
If by "last year" you mean 2025-26, that's becuase it's technically still "last year" for the olders. That should rollover when the 2026-27 officially starts.
Bear in mind that the system relies on user participation to correctly identify and match up data sources to teams. They probably should have sent an email explaining the mapping and calendar to registered users.
There was a discussion about this over a year ago. I think someone messaged the App creator and they said that they intend to have a single grouping for both SY and BY leagues. Which kind of makes sense and kind of doesn't make sense. Unless there's different groupings for BY and SY someone is always going to be upset. But at least you can keep all the teams roughly the same age in a single grouping so its easy to show rankings for both groups at one time. Since SY is what most of the leagues are I assume BY would just get grouped "up". But who knows. I'd break them appart to make things easier. Unfortunately this would just annoy parents for different reasons. As an example youd have a SY #1 in the state and a BY #1 in the state.
RandomSoccerFan
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This is a poor argument that you're never going to win. Not sure why you keep making it - as the people who are making the decisions continue to disagree with you.
The app rolls the years over every Aug 1, just as the soccer calendar rolls over. If a team is currently playing one age group - but they are listed as another age group, someone close to the team needs to correct that team's info. It's incorrect. Anyone with a sub can correct any error with any team they see. But if they are making edits that in turn are incorrect (or even malicious), they will quickly get their edit rights removed. A team always has to be in the age group of the oldest player, so 14 U10s with one U11, should be listed as a U11 team.
If you are seeing "thousands" of teams in the wrong age group, I think that you may be misinterpreting what you're seeing. Post up a screenshot of one or more teams that you believe to be incorrect, and we can all confirm what you're seeing.
The app rolls the years over every Aug 1, just as the soccer calendar rolls over. If a team is currently playing one age group - but they are listed as another age group, someone close to the team needs to correct that team's info. It's incorrect. Anyone with a sub can correct any error with any team they see. But if they are making edits that in turn are incorrect (or even malicious), they will quickly get their edit rights removed. A team always has to be in the age group of the oldest player, so 14 U10s with one U11, should be listed as a U11 team.
If you are seeing "thousands" of teams in the wrong age group, I think that you may be misinterpreting what you're seeing. Post up a screenshot of one or more teams that you believe to be incorrect, and we can all confirm what you're seeing.
RandomSoccerFan
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Put another way...
The Ranking App will group all leagues as if they were SY. For BY leagues this means they will be grouped "up" with SY teams with players that are potentially 5 months older. I assume that BY teams are fine with this. The benifit is being able to quickly show all teams (both SY and BY) in an age range and their rankings.
The Ranking App will group all leagues as if they were SY. For BY leagues this means they will be grouped "up" with SY teams with players that are potentially 5 months older. I assume that BY teams are fine with this. The benifit is being able to quickly show all teams (both SY and BY) in an age range and their rankings.
Curious what is going to happen to the apps funding when all the subs get their editing rights revoked for making errors that aren’t malicious from this age change trying to get everything sorted out.
RandomSoccerFan
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It's going to be a wild month or two, but it will undoubtedly get sorted out quickly. By October - nobody's going to be talking about it. Last time a big date change like this happened, SR (YSR at the time) just ended up deleting all game results, and starting from scratch with the "new" teams. Nobody had a rating/ranking, until the new teams got enough games together to start to build their own new rating. It happens quickly, 6-8 games at most, and sometimes fewer - but it's still alarming when so few teams have actual ratings.
It seems Mark and team instead decided that morphing the BY teams into the SY teams ends up with a smoother transition - even in cases where the SY team starts playing noticeably different than the prior BY team. Starting from those results rather than zero results, gives everybody something to work with during the transition period, and soon enough the rating will match current results.
I think something that isn't ever going to be fixable, is attaching/fixing team results from prior events / prior seasons, to the correct team entity. With BY now, it's relatively straightforward, you can go back and look for sources for "Purple People-Eaters 2014G", and attach them all to the same team entity. Now that they're "Purple People-Eaters U12G", they are only that name for one full year. Next year they are "U13G", and the prior year they would have been "U11G". And while you can search for sources with those names, they are only relevant if the games occurred within that prior season - but not two seasons ago. It just gets, and stays, clunky. Newer results are always weighted so much stronger than older results that ultimately it doesn't matter much at all in terms of ranking/rating, but it is harder for someone managing a team (or club) to keep their teams sorted with clean sources for the lifespan of that particular team, showing all game results going back years.
It seems Mark and team instead decided that morphing the BY teams into the SY teams ends up with a smoother transition - even in cases where the SY team starts playing noticeably different than the prior BY team. Starting from those results rather than zero results, gives everybody something to work with during the transition period, and soon enough the rating will match current results.
I think something that isn't ever going to be fixable, is attaching/fixing team results from prior events / prior seasons, to the correct team entity. With BY now, it's relatively straightforward, you can go back and look for sources for "Purple People-Eaters 2014G", and attach them all to the same team entity. Now that they're "Purple People-Eaters U12G", they are only that name for one full year. Next year they are "U13G", and the prior year they would have been "U11G". And while you can search for sources with those names, they are only relevant if the games occurred within that prior season - but not two seasons ago. It just gets, and stays, clunky. Newer results are always weighted so much stronger than older results that ultimately it doesn't matter much at all in terms of ranking/rating, but it is harder for someone managing a team (or club) to keep their teams sorted with clean sources for the lifespan of that particular team, showing all game results going back years.
RandomSoccerFan
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If anyone ever does get locked out of editing, all it takes is an email to support for them to clarify what happened, and the user ends up getting their edit rights back immediately. I've never had it take more than a day - and I've probably lost edit rights half a dozen times. From a sub $ perspective, the user still retains everything that the Pro sub allows, other than editing. If people decide to not re-up the following year because they were incorrectly flagged - I guess it's a risk - but it doesn't seem like a large one to worry about.
If you look at the number of downloads and start to look at the math it implies, as much as a number of folks really enjoy the app, it's not making a ton of money. The team isn't putting it together, maintaining/improving it to buy a third beach house. It's a side hustle at best. IMO, he should instead charge $100/yr or more. Of course it would drastically cut down on # of subs, but I don't think it would cut it to 1/10th. I know I'd happily still pay it, and there are enough fans to do the same.