RandomSoccerFan
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Not if it doesn't exist and you're misinterpreting what actually happened. If you don't want people to keep telling you that your interpretations are incorrect - stop posting things that can be easily disproven.
Youth Soccer Rankings ?
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RandomSoccerFan
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And there it is. Still not my app. It evidently continues to be your place to continue to misunderstand basic math and spout conspiracy theories.
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This App has proven to be ridiculously accurate time and time again. Even when MLS got upset about the scores going into it and tried to hide all the MLS Next match results a couple years ago. MLS goes through a lot to ensure the teams don't see challenges from outside leagues. There is a reason; they don't like to be exposed for being only nominally better than than their competition.
Is there a plan to update the app anytime soon to reflect the correct age brackets? There was an update a few months ago replacing birth year with the Under XYZ naming structure, however the brackets are labeled incorrectly. All the age brackets are off by a whole year and still based of last years ages. More importantly, since most of the teams have changed their names to align with the new age brackets, there are now 1000s of "new" teams in the unranked category creating a complete disaster in the app, not to mention they are being placed in the wrong year as well.
If by "last year" you mean 2025-26, that's becuase it's technically still "last year" for the olders. That should rollover when the 2026-27 officially starts.
Bear in mind that the system relies on user participation to correctly identify and match up data sources to teams. They probably should have sent an email explaining the mapping and calendar to registered users.
There was a discussion about this over a year ago. I think someone messaged the App creator and they said that they intend to have a single grouping for both SY and BY leagues. Which kind of makes sense and kind of doesn't make sense. Unless there's different groupings for BY and SY someone is always going to be upset. But at least you can keep all the teams roughly the same age in a single grouping so its easy to show rankings for both groups at one time. Since SY is what most of the leagues are I assume BY would just get grouped "up". But who knows. I'd break them appart to make things easier. Unfortunately this would just annoy parents for different reasons. As an example youd have a SY #1 in the state and a BY #1 in the state.
RandomSoccerFan
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This is a poor argument that you're never going to win. Not sure why you keep making it - as the people who are making the decisions continue to disagree with you.
The app rolls the years over every Aug 1, just as the soccer calendar rolls over. If a team is currently playing one age group - but they are listed as another age group, someone close to the team needs to correct that team's info. It's incorrect. Anyone with a sub can correct any error with any team they see. But if they are making edits that in turn are incorrect (or even malicious), they will quickly get their edit rights removed. A team always has to be in the age group of the oldest player, so 14 U10s with one U11, should be listed as a U11 team.
If you are seeing "thousands" of teams in the wrong age group, I think that you may be misinterpreting what you're seeing. Post up a screenshot of one or more teams that you believe to be incorrect, and we can all confirm what you're seeing.
The app rolls the years over every Aug 1, just as the soccer calendar rolls over. If a team is currently playing one age group - but they are listed as another age group, someone close to the team needs to correct that team's info. It's incorrect. Anyone with a sub can correct any error with any team they see. But if they are making edits that in turn are incorrect (or even malicious), they will quickly get their edit rights removed. A team always has to be in the age group of the oldest player, so 14 U10s with one U11, should be listed as a U11 team.
If you are seeing "thousands" of teams in the wrong age group, I think that you may be misinterpreting what you're seeing. Post up a screenshot of one or more teams that you believe to be incorrect, and we can all confirm what you're seeing.
RandomSoccerFan
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Put another way...
The Ranking App will group all leagues as if they were SY. For BY leagues this means they will be grouped "up" with SY teams with players that are potentially 5 months older. I assume that BY teams are fine with this. The benifit is being able to quickly show all teams (both SY and BY) in an age range and their rankings.
The Ranking App will group all leagues as if they were SY. For BY leagues this means they will be grouped "up" with SY teams with players that are potentially 5 months older. I assume that BY teams are fine with this. The benifit is being able to quickly show all teams (both SY and BY) in an age range and their rankings.
Curious what is going to happen to the apps funding when all the subs get their editing rights revoked for making errors that aren’t malicious from this age change trying to get everything sorted out.
RandomSoccerFan
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It's going to be a wild month or two, but it will undoubtedly get sorted out quickly. By October - nobody's going to be talking about it. Last time a big date change like this happened, SR (YSR at the time) just ended up deleting all game results, and starting from scratch with the "new" teams. Nobody had a rating/ranking, until the new teams got enough games together to start to build their own new rating. It happens quickly, 6-8 games at most, and sometimes fewer - but it's still alarming when so few teams have actual ratings.
It seems Mark and team instead decided that morphing the BY teams into the SY teams ends up with a smoother transition - even in cases where the SY team starts playing noticeably different than the prior BY team. Starting from those results rather than zero results, gives everybody something to work with during the transition period, and soon enough the rating will match current results.
I think something that isn't ever going to be fixable, is attaching/fixing team results from prior events / prior seasons, to the correct team entity. With BY now, it's relatively straightforward, you can go back and look for sources for "Purple People-Eaters 2014G", and attach them all to the same team entity. Now that they're "Purple People-Eaters U12G", they are only that name for one full year. Next year they are "U13G", and the prior year they would have been "U11G". And while you can search for sources with those names, they are only relevant if the games occurred within that prior season - but not two seasons ago. It just gets, and stays, clunky. Newer results are always weighted so much stronger than older results that ultimately it doesn't matter much at all in terms of ranking/rating, but it is harder for someone managing a team (or club) to keep their teams sorted with clean sources for the lifespan of that particular team, showing all game results going back years.
It seems Mark and team instead decided that morphing the BY teams into the SY teams ends up with a smoother transition - even in cases where the SY team starts playing noticeably different than the prior BY team. Starting from those results rather than zero results, gives everybody something to work with during the transition period, and soon enough the rating will match current results.
I think something that isn't ever going to be fixable, is attaching/fixing team results from prior events / prior seasons, to the correct team entity. With BY now, it's relatively straightforward, you can go back and look for sources for "Purple People-Eaters 2014G", and attach them all to the same team entity. Now that they're "Purple People-Eaters U12G", they are only that name for one full year. Next year they are "U13G", and the prior year they would have been "U11G". And while you can search for sources with those names, they are only relevant if the games occurred within that prior season - but not two seasons ago. It just gets, and stays, clunky. Newer results are always weighted so much stronger than older results that ultimately it doesn't matter much at all in terms of ranking/rating, but it is harder for someone managing a team (or club) to keep their teams sorted with clean sources for the lifespan of that particular team, showing all game results going back years.
RandomSoccerFan
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If anyone ever does get locked out of editing, all it takes is an email to support for them to clarify what happened, and the user ends up getting their edit rights back immediately. I've never had it take more than a day - and I've probably lost edit rights half a dozen times. From a sub $ perspective, the user still retains everything that the Pro sub allows, other than editing. If people decide to not re-up the following year because they were incorrectly flagged - I guess it's a risk - but it doesn't seem like a large one to worry about.
If you look at the number of downloads and start to look at the math it implies, as much as a number of folks really enjoy the app, it's not making a ton of money. The team isn't putting it together, maintaining/improving it to buy a third beach house. It's a side hustle at best. IMO, he should instead charge $100/yr or more. Of course it would drastically cut down on # of subs, but I don't think it would cut it to 1/10th. I know I'd happily still pay it, and there are enough fans to do the same.
I am not sure what argument i am making? This is pretty much the first time i have posted in this topic. It was purely a question.
Open the app and look at any age group that is actively playing Spring League under the new age guidelines of School Year. Almost every team in SoCal at least used the naming scheme "ClubName-(B/G)--BirthYear-Coach Initials", or a form of that. Those same teams have now changed names replacing the Birth Year portion with U10/11/12 etc. These teams as a result, though not new, were not in the app previously with their new names. They are now listed as "New" teams and are in the "Unranked" section. Similarly, all these teams if they were 2016s are still listed as U10, however they are actually U11 teams.
If you dont know how to look up teams, search and switch between ranked and unranked then i am happy to post screenshots to help out.
Again to clarify, this isnt an argument or a debate, merely a question if anyone knew if/when the dev planned on correcting this.
I wouldnt worry about it that much.
By mid July the big leagues will have gone through finals and everything will be easy to fix in the ranking app. By Aug 1st I'm fairly certain all the SY kinks will be addressed.
Surf Cup in July will be SY even if leagues haven't officially switched over. So this will be the 1st chance to see how all the SY data lines up.
RandomSoccerFan
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I wasn't careful in quoting, my fault. That comment was for Carlsbad7, who is convinced that the app needed to accommodate different rankings for teams that went SY and those that stayed BY. It didn't make sense when everything was conjecture. It really doesn't make sense after everything was determined and relayed by the developers quite awhile back.
Again - I'm not sure what to tell you. Pick a team. A specific team. That has the problem you describe. Post a screenshot. Let's look at it. Or just name it. And we can confirm what you're suggesting. If it's a problem with that specific team, it's an easy fix - just fix the age group if it's incorrect.
If it's a more widespread error and teams that are playing U15G (2011G right now), are being lumped in incorrectly with the U14G (2012G right now), or U12G (2014G right now), we should definitely document it and get it to support@usasportstatistics.net with enough information that they can duplicate the error and make any fixes necessary.
If SoCal has teams that are playing the age groups that they are supposed to be for 2026/2027, and is calling them that early in April 2026, then there is a real problem with how they (SoCal) have set up their schedules/naming conventions.
Right now SR is chasing a number of bugs, including the game times for schedules not taking into account time zone. They just fixed that, and in doing so they nuked the game location being displayed - so they're now re-fixing that. They (along with none of us) can't claim to be perfect, and it's an unending process to identify bugs to resolve as they're identified - but they have always been good about getting to them as soon as they can.
No, I said there are merits to grouping both SY and BY leagues together and theres also merits for splitting SY and BY leagues appart. Personally I would keep them seperate I think it makes more sense. Obviously the Ranking App person thought grouping them together was a better way to do things. It doenst matter you have to choose one or the other and theres pluses and minuses to both.
DeaconSoccer12
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I am seeing the same thing that MochaRulz noted. All the teams are one year off according the new age group drop downs. For example, my daughter's u12 team is in the u11(2015) category. Almost every previously 2015 team would now be u12.
With so many teams completely re-formed and changed due to the age change I dont think the historical data is all that helpful and they probably should be starting from scratch.
Check back in October!
There have always been a lot of teams that get lumped into the "unranked" category, for a variety of reasons, the biggest being team managers being inconsistent with the name(s) they use to register for tournaments on different platforms.
Users need to go through and match the results to existing teams if they want them tied together. Alternatively, they can wait for the "new" teams to have enough results to get a stand alone ranking.
As others have said, either way, it will work itself out in the coming months/weeks.
The new league year starts Aug 1. The older 2015s are technically still U11 until then. As RSF said, seems like SoCal jumped the gun.