Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

EOTL said:
Wow. Just wow. This exchange is the best.

Let me explain what @MakeAPlay is too diplomatic to tell you directly. By all accounts, his daughter is succeeding in ways that most parents only dream of for their own, and that’s no accident. No doubt it’s largely attributable to the fact her parents didn’t raise her whining about things outside their control, or to use those things as an excuse for failure. I’m guessing that when someone offered sage advice or help (such as being a mentor), they probably either took it or at least expressed gratitude for the offer. What is your kid learning from your, uh, different perspective? What do children learn from the kind of parent who receives an extremely generous offer for a wildly successful young adult to mentor theirs, and they respond with a barrage of crap trying to prove that they are right that no one has died of C19, it’s really heartburn or some other s**t.

And my god man, your nonsense about how @MakeAPlay doesn’t understand what you and everyone else is going through because his daughter is out of college is embarrassing to those who know she’s the oldest sibling in her family, you dimwit.

Now is time to be a hero to your children. Are you going to turn that frown upside down and be a leader for your family? Or are you going to keep teaching your kid to blame C19, and libs, and HS teachers, and greedy soccer club owners, and the media and the CDC for all of your problems and your refusal to get it together?
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I am trying to be a little more diplomatic. I was helped by a lot of sage advice along the way and my kid had mentors. I am just trying to return the favor.

Continued good fortune to you and your player.
 
Desert Hound said:
I think your reading skills might be off.

Actually I asked you about risk a few days ago.

In the US you have about 330 total deaths of people under 24 during covid. That is it. Not Cal...but nationwide.

I am curious as to how you look at that number and think that age group has any risk at all?
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Thanks for another good belly laugh. You do realized that until there are years of research and studies done to see the long term effects that asymptomatic COVID has on people we have no idea of what the risks are. I am the type that is okay with you taking whatever risks that you want to take with you kids but don't expext everyone else to feel the same way. I am the type that believes that your rights end where my rights begin so as long as MY kid isn't playing against kids that aren't isolated in a bubble then the risk is too high for me.

Let me make it clear to you. There is nothing that you could say that would convince me that youth sports are important enough to risk my kid's long term health. In addition, if my daughter was a senior in college this year and her conference decided to play without a bubble she would be redshirting until there is a RELIABLE vaccine (not a Russian one or a rushed one). This is America and I am perfectly comfortable with you risking your kid's lives. I think the principles of Darwinism would agree that you should be able to have your kid play meaningless games because they only have a slight chance of having a seriuos outcome should they become infected.

Good luck to you and your player.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Thanks for another good belly laugh. You do realized that until there are years of research and studies done to see the long term effects that asymptomatic COVID has on people we have no idea of what the risks are
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That kind of answers my question. You would put things on hold for years.

I am not saying you should go out. Was just asking about perceived risk. You answered it. Thx.
 
I’m glad this was brought up, it is important to understand Myocarditis (from Myocarditis Foundation):

The most common cause of Myocarditis is a Viral Infection. acute Myocarditis is a well known complication of influenza infection. The clinical expression varies from asymptomatic to fulminant myocarditis, which can result in severe hemodynamics dysfunction, necessitating high-dose catechilolamimes and mechanical circulatory support.

Many viruses are associated with myocarditis, including viruses that cause the common cold (of which are 5 existing Covid strains that predate Covid 19), Covid 19, hepatitis B and C, parvovirus and herpes.
 
Desert Hound said:
That kind of answers my question. You would put things on hold for years.

I am not saying you should go out. Was just asking about perceived risk. You answered it. Thx.
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If that is what you got from it. I said I would wait for a reliable COVID vaccine. My kids aren't defined by their sports. Their health and happiness are my two biggest concerns in that order. Health then happiness. The risk is high. 30-35% with myocarditis is a pretty significant risk in my opinion.

Good luck to you and your player.
 
Kicker4Life said:
I’m glad this was brought up, it is important to understand Myocarditis (from Myocarditis Foundation):

The most common cause of Myocarditis is a Viral Infection. acute Myocarditis is a well known complication of influenza infection. The clinical expression varies from asymptomatic to fulminant myocarditis, which can result in severe hemodynamics dysfunction, necessitating high-dose catechilolamimes and mechanical circulatory support.

Many viruses are associated with myocarditis, including viruses that cause the common cold (of which are 5 existing Covid strains that predate Covid 19), Covid 19, hepatitis B and C, parvovirus and herpes.
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All of those diseases sound bad other than the cold. Anything that affects the heart makes me nervous.
 
happy9 said:
He could have killed more people if he wanted to, but he didn't. Just about every time he point his rifle and pulled the trigger, he hit hit a target, then he stopped.

Unless he gets a settlement as a result of adult idiots in government trashing his name, he is in for an uphill fight for the rest of his life.
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Here’s the thing Happy, I don’t have a problem with anything you said except this. Everything else you said is reasonable and in line with a straight conversation.

But you couldn’t help yourself and had to try and paint this guy as a victim and a “fine young man” who could have killed more people

I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of all you tough law and order guys. If you don’t like the person, he had it coming, and if you like him, he’s a poor victim.

Integrity my friend, integrity. And just so you know, I spent half of Father’s Day defending the cop in the
Rayshard Brooks Wendy’s shooting. Not only should he not have been charged, I personally would not have fired him (at least for this incident alone).

On the Kenosha shooting there were two big mistakes. First if I was Blake’s dad or family member, the first thing I would do is slap the shit out of him for being an absolute idiot for resisting arrest and walking away, especially knowing what we know today. He’s lucky it didn’t cost him his life.

However, another big mistake is how these idiots couldn’t subdue or arrest this guy without having to shoot him in the back 7 times. We can subdue a lion in Africa and transport him to a zoo in Ohio without a problem, but we can’t arrest Joe Blow and transport him 3 blocks to the County jail without killing him.

Now this goes into the use of deadly force which is a huge topic unto its own and the most important in my opinion. I’ll leave it at that for now.
 
MakeAPlay said:
If that is what you got from it. I said I would wait for a reliable COVID vaccine. My kids aren't defined by their sports. Their health and happiness are my two biggest concerns in that order. Health then happiness. The risk is high. 30-35% with myocarditis is a pretty significant risk in my opinion.

Good luck to you and your player.
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I don't think the risk is high with myocarditis.

According to the Mycocarditis foundation approx 75 athletes aged 13-25 die each year from it. Considering we have millions playing various sports, the risk is again statistically non existent.

Anyway. I appreciate the responses.
 
There are so many other activities that we can have our kids doing during this pandemic. My daughter has been painting and studying for the LSAT and doing an internship. My son took a 6 week course in Spanish and took a class on Minecraft and RoBlox world building in addition to his regular robotics classes.

Lots for our kids to do. I think @MacDre took his kid on a grueling bike ride. My daughter and I used to do that prior to club soccer becoming all consuming. Please don't despair. We will all get through this together.
 
Desert Hound said:
I don't think the risk is high with myocarditis.

According to the Mycocarditis foundation approx 75 athletes aged 13-25 die each year from it. Considering we have millions playing various sports, the risk is again statistically non existent.

Anyway. I appreciate the responses.
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I appreciate the civil conversation also so thank you. So 75 athletes in that age range die every year of myocarditis pre-COVID. We still do not have any reliable numbers and won't for a while as to what is happening now (statistics look backwards not forward). I am not concerned with the past only what could happen. Again it's a free country and if you and the other parents on your kid's team are comfortable with the risk and you can find other teams that are as comfortable then there you go.

Good luck to you and your player.
 
The HB Dad said:
its what our country has become. Intelligent conversation is over.
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I can have a straight conversation with anybody, anytime, anywhere. Ask me your toughest question and I’ll answer it honestly. It’s just that People can’t handle a straight conversation without talking shit. So the post from Happy that you quoted, isn’t he throwing a dig by saying “as much as people hate America, due process is a thing.”

Read my previous post where I said I didn’t have a problem with anything Happy said until he had to throw some digs.

I’m the only one who will call out my own party, defend cops when justified, and point out good things Trump has done. You want a straight conversation, I’m here.
 
Justafan said:
Here’s the thing Happy, I don’t have a problem with anything you said except this. Everything else you said is reasonable and in line with a straight conversation.

But you couldn’t help yourself and had to try and paint this guy as a victim and a “fine young man” who could have killed more people

I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of all you tough law and order guys. If you don’t like the person, he had it coming, and if you like him, he’s a poor victim.

Integrity my friend, integrity. And just so you know, I spent half of Father’s Day defending the cop in the
Rayshard Brooks Wendy’s shooting. Not only should he not have been charged, I personally would not have fired him (at least for this incident alone).

On the Kenosha shooting there were two big mistakes. First if I was Blake’s dad or family member, the first thing I would do is slap the shit out of him for being an absolute idiot for resisting arrest and walking away, especially knowing what we know today. He’s lucky it didn’t cost him his life.

However, another big mistake is how these idiots couldn’t subdue or arrest this guy without having to shoot him in the back 7 times. We can subdue a lion in Africa and transport him to a zoo in Ohio without a problem, but we can’t arrest Joe Blow and transport him 3 blocks to the County jail without killing him.

Now this goes into the use of deadly force which is a huge topic unto its own and the most important in my opinion. I’ll leave it at that for now.
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This is all very rich - I don't get you at all, but that's fine, it's just a soccer forum. Please point out where I said "fine young man". I called him a young man (which he is, based on his current age). I also said he shouldn't have been there. I never even mentioned those he killed. The definition of integrity seems to be lost on you. And again, Law and Order shouldn't be a 4 letter word, I just don't get it. I would hope that if you ever need to call 911, that someone will answer your call and provide assistance.

Are you suggesting we arm police officers with tranquilizer guns? How do we determine dosage? really? subduing lions in Africa? Anyway. Law enforcement arrests and transport 100s of Joe Blows everyday. To your point, and I agree, patrol officers tend to lack proper defensive and suspect control training. Not uncommon and needs to be addressed. You can trace root causes of many incidents to poor or lack of training. With that said, compliance at the direction of a police officer usually results in both parties being safe.
 
Justafan said:
Here’s the thing Happy, I don’t have a problem with anything you said except this. Everything else you said is reasonable and in line with a straight conversation.

But you couldn’t help yourself and had to try and paint this guy as a victim and a “fine young man” who could have killed more people

I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of all you tough law and order guys. If you don’t like the person, he had it coming, and if you like him, he’s a poor victim.

Integrity my friend, integrity. And just so you know, I spent half of Father’s Day defending the cop in the
Rayshard Brooks Wendy’s shooting. Not only should he not have been charged, I personally would not have fired him (at least for this incident alone).

On the Kenosha shooting there were two big mistakes. First if I was Blake’s dad or family member, the first thing I would do is slap the shit out of him for being an absolute idiot for resisting arrest and walking away, especially knowing what we know today. He’s lucky it didn’t cost him his life.

However, another big mistake is how these idiots couldn’t subdue or arrest this guy without having to shoot him in the back 7 times. We can subdue a lion in Africa and transport him to a zoo in Ohio without a problem, but we can’t arrest Joe Blow and transport him 3 blocks to the County jail without killing him.

Now this goes into the use of deadly force which is a huge topic unto its own and the most important in my opinion. I’ll leave it at that for now.
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Come see me about "use of force" under RIOTS. I'm waiting, "dubmass".
 
MakeAPlay said:
There are so many other activities that we can have our kids doing during this pandemic. My daughter has been painting and studying for the LSAT and doing an internship. My son took a 6 week course in Spanish and took a class on Minecraft and RoBlox world building in addition to his regular robotics classes.

Lots for our kids to do. I think @MacDre took his kid on a grueling bike ride. My daughter and I used to do that prior to club soccer becoming all consuming. Please don't despair. We will all get through this together.
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Maps, what about kids who are all alone bro? Please bro, understand kids are dying right now in LA, OC, IE and all over Socal. Not all kids have a stable family. This is getting f n serious and I mean that. Read my thread over in the suicide section. I will have story everyday of kids killing themselves and overdosing on "pain" pills. I hope we all care about kids the way we do our own. Kids need our help you guys and I can;t say that enough.
 
Justafan said:
I can have a straight conversation with anybody, anytime, anywhere. Ask me your toughest question and I’ll answer it honestly. It’s just that People can’t handle a straight conversation without talking shit. So the post from Happy that you quoted, isn’t he throwing a dig by saying “as much as people hate America, due process is a thing.”

Read my previous post where I said I didn’t have a problem with anything Happy said until he had to throw some digs.

I’m the only one who will call out my own party, defend cops when justified, and point out good things Trump has done. You want a straight conversation, I’m here.
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It's not a dig at all, it's fact. We have people on the streets of this country chanting it- google "death to america oakland" or "death to america kenosha".
 
Desert Hound said:
According to the Mycocarditis foundation approx 75 athletes aged 13-25 die each year from it. Considering we have millions playing various sports, the risk is again statistically non existent.
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This is great information to have. The Mayo Clinic indicates that mild cases tend to resolve in 3-6 months. In some ways, those should be the ones we are most concerned about as the athlete may not notice it. Those with more obvious symptoms tend to be easily identified.

I have to think this cause of death is being closely monitored. The low number of expected deaths should allow us to more quickly identify if there is currently a significantly higher risk. For better or worse, we have many "test" cases out there as there are many thousands of recovered athletes who are training.
 
Justafan said:
LMAO, are you still in the hole? Let's stay up here so we can all see your comments and judge for ourselves.
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Some of us have stalkers sitting around waiting to cry to Dominic and won't report anyone but me. Are you familiar with ACLU? Come find me in the Off Topic thread... if you dare.

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MakeAPlay said:
There are so many other activities that we can have our kids doing during this pandemic. My daughter has been painting and studying for the LSAT and doing an internship. My son took a 6 week course in Spanish and took a class on Minecraft and RoBlox world building in addition to his regular robotics classes.

Lots for our kids to do. I think @MacDre took his kid on a grueling bike ride. My daughter and I used to do that prior to club soccer becoming all consuming. Please don't despair. We will all get through this together.
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Maps, my kid wants to play soccer. Sorry, that's her sport of choice and she has been playing since she was 5. She wants to play soccer. Why is soccer off the table? Something is not right. People are saying, "do other things." No, my dd wants to play soccer and by goaly, she will play soccer. Why is soccer being banned? Everyone on this forum, please, think long and hard and let me know what you think the real reason is.
 
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