What's your best guess as to when trainings will resume?

[dad4]

If they are already doing that they are not doing a very good job (obviously). Pre covid how did hospitals keep their staff from spreading disease to their patients? To some patients any disease can be deadly.

The reason for the nursing home situation is because nursing homes were not allowed to refuse admittance to patients that were covid positive. Never mind asymptomatic employees, their best pal sitting next to them in the communal dinning room was positive.

Returning covid patients to nursing homes was a disaster, but I don’t think that’s what is driving the outbreak in Minnesota.

My niece works in a nursing home. She had to self isolate for two weeks after a possible exposure. She was pretty serious about it. Bought two weeks of food and didn’t open the door. No friends, no church, nothing. The LTC lockdown is a lot tighter than ours. It just doesn't take a very big leak for it to infect people.

 

[JumboJack]

....meanwhile many teams have been training at local parks, no social distancing, no limited numbers, nobody wearing masks. Just got an e-mail that Toca in Chino Hills is OPEN.

Is that a bad thing? If it's not OK to play or practice now then it won't be in two weeks or two months or six months.

 

[MSK357]

Even with all caps, you haven’t explained how to isolate the vulnerable. Most nursing homes are already on a nearly complete lockdown. But we still have 43,000 or so covid deaths in nursing homes.

If the existing nursing home lockdown doesn’t work, why would yours be any different?

You should ask the Cuomo's why that happened

 

[dad4]

If that is how you feel, then don't go! Stop posting on here that you are not in favor of something and then show up because the club decides to attend. If you are opposed to tournaments, then stay home. Simple. No one will hate you for it but it seems very clear that if your DDs team is going you will go for fear of missing out, based on your previous comments. So please get off your high horse and join the rest of us trying to get soccer back for the kids.

I am trying to get soccer back. I just think league play and scrimmages are a more viable path.

And all the teams practicing illegally don’t help. We need to prove that we can implement distancing and sanitation guidelines, and they are out there proving that we can’t.

 

[MSK357]

Returning covid patients to nursing homes was a disaster, but I don’t think that’s what is driving the outbreak in Minnesota.

My niece works in a nursing home. She had to self isolate for two weeks after a possible exposure. She was pretty serious about it. Bought two weeks of food and didn’t open the door. No friends, no church, nothing. The LTC lockdown is a lot tighter than ours. It just doesn't take a very big leak for it to infect people.

4 Minnesota nursing homes cited for coronavirus prevention failures

MOORHEAD, Minn. — A Moorhead nursing home that’s had at least three residents die from COVID-19 violated several protocols in preventing the spread of the illness, including failing to alert …

www.twincities.com

 

[MSK357]

Nursing homes are doing all of that already. The May nursing home deaths are what you get despite those measures. Some fraction of doctors, nurses, and delivery people are asymptomatic carriers and bring it in.

Covid for nursing homes is something like 14%. They have had over 40,000 patients die from it. Do you think they are doing nothing?

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[Desert Hound]

Well Norway is stopping testing and going with opening up like Sweden.

Switzerland has been far ahead of us in terms of opening up.
Here is an article talking about it. Take a look at what has been open by date and what will be open by date. Scroll down. They started sports training May 11.

Coronavirus: the situation in Switzerland

An overview of the latest Covid-related information in the Alpine nation.

www.swissinfo.ch

 

[lafalafa]

....meanwhile many teams have been training at local parks, no social distancing, no limited numbers, nobody wearing masks. Just got an e-mail that Toca in Chino Hills is OPEN.

Toca 1v1 no issues with that. Personal 1 v 1 trainers was clarified in some counties this week.

Seen a few not many but not out looking so could be many like you say?

 

[JumboJack]

4 Minnesota nursing homes cited for coronavirus prevention failures

MOORHEAD, Minn. — A Moorhead nursing home that’s had at least three residents die from COVID-19 violated several protocols in preventing the spread of the illness, including failing to alert …

www.twincities.com

No, no, no, no. The cause was because little Timmy played soccer the past weekend.

 

[BIGD]

No. I think we should open up the safer half of the economy, and implement social distance / sanitation measures within workplaces.

That is why I am in favor of league games and opposed to tournaments. League games are low risk and tournaments are high risk.

I also think most sanitation measures should be mandatory. It should not be my choice whether to wear a mask. If the CDC says it helps, then it should be required, and enforced. The lower we can keep transmission, the more of the economy we can open up.

Thank you for the dose of sanity. A reasonable logical approach. Your ability to continue to respond to the divisive, sarcastic and sometimes hostile comments with grace and civility is impressive.

 

[Ellejustus]

Returning covid patients to nursing homes was a disaster, but I don’t think that’s what is driving the outbreak in Minnesota.

My niece works in a nursing home. She had to self isolate for two weeks after a possible exposure. She was pretty serious about it. Bought two weeks of food and didn’t open the door. No friends, no church, nothing. The LTC lockdown is a lot tighter than ours. It just doesn't take a very big leak for it to infect people.

My sister is a nurse. Her friend helps those who have no help after 80 years and can;t talk anymore or had a stroke and need help to eat through a tube. Most of these elderly patients of hers have no family members to help them or they treated their family bad and no one comes to visit or talk to them. It's a fact. This was all before Corona too. So the fact is is no one was really taking care of them from a family stand point and the nursing home let the virus in because some Gov mandated them to do it. No one watched out or cared for them and that's why they died. Don;t blame others for a disaster of a decision. Leaders lead and sometimes they make the wrong decision. Not only was it a disaster, it also caused the first panic in Kirkland WA. Death is coming to us all. Death of despair is man made and is causing so much worse damage than this virus.

 

[Grace T.]

Thank you for the dose of sanity. A reasonable logical approach. Your ability to continue to respond to the divisive, sarcastic and sometimes hostile comments with grace and civility is impressive.

The problem with the mask thing is that now the WHO are saying they shouln't be used except around sick people....but we know a bunch of people are asymptomatic or presymptomatic. This is now in direct contradiction to what the CDC is saying (and now recommending for schools next fall). This also places policies like LA County and OC County (masks on beaches!) in an even more extreme position. The entire thing is a cluster f. The so-called experts don't know what they are doing. And people who were inclined to be skeptical anyways are just going to shake their heads and say it's all nonesense and reject even reasonable precautions.

Seriously....if you can afford it, don't home school, and can swing it, get out of Cali....what's coming is an absolute trainwreck for the public schools.

 

[Ellejustus]

The problem with the mask thing is that now the WHO are saying they shouln't be used except around sick people....but we know a bunch of people are asymptomatic or presymptomatic. This is now in direct contradiction to what the CDC is saying (and now recommending for schools next fall). This also places policies like LA County and OC County (masks on beaches!) in an even more extreme position. The entire thing is a cluster f. The so-called experts don't know what they are doing. And people who were inclined to be skeptical anyways are just going to shake their heads and say it's all nonesense and reject even reasonable precautions.

Seriously....if you can afford it, don't home school, and can swing it, get out of Cali....what's coming is an absolute trainwreck for the public schools.

My dd has two more years and then I'm out. So many people are moving out of Cali and New York. My friend teaches special needs in middle school and it's 100% a trainwreck. Lawsuits have been filed because special needs kids can;t learn online like so many others. So my boy has to answer to depositions all week because hard working parents are pissed. Think about this one. He has a great student who thrived in his class and is ADDHD or something like that. Now, the kid is going crazy at home and no one to teach her. Dad is essential worker and so is mom. Both make about $20 an hour. No one to watch their kid. Guess what the special need kid is up to all alone at home? 8th grader too. This is going to smack us all in this state soon and LA will be the center of attention. Kids that play video games are find and that's another social issue that is bad. This is all predictable. Why a mask? @dad4 and the gang, go to HB and walk around and try and snitch on the those breaking the recommendations from their leaders. Fear is a disease but it also makes people money. Follow the money. Mask is the key to victory for some.

 

[JumboJack]

The problem with the mask thing is that now the WHO are saying they shouln't be used except around sick people....but we know a bunch of people are asymptomatic or presymptomatic. This is now in direct contradiction to what the CDC is saying (and now recommending for schools next fall). This also places policies like LA County and OC County (masks on beaches!) in an even more extreme position. The entire thing is a cluster f. The so-called experts don't know what they are doing. And people who were inclined to be skeptical anyways are just going to shake their heads and say it's all nonesense and reject even reasonable precautions.

Seriously....if you can afford it, don't home school, and can swing it, get out of Cali....what's coming is an absolute trainwreck for the public schools.

So true. Classroom size limited to 16? Are you kidding me? Under 30 is a small classroom in most public schools.

And regarding the mask thing... I think what it points out is that the "experts" can be and are often wrong. We are told to "trust the science" but there is so much contradiction in the science that it will make your head spin. The predictions that some of the experts (English doctor Ferguson) have made have been WAY off in many cases.

 

[dad4]

I suspect the WHO decision has more to do with the logistics of trying to get billions of disposable masks distributed in Africa. (disposable because of logistics of cleaning cloth ones.)

They can’t recommend it and not try to do it.

 

[BIGD]

The problem with the mask thing is that now the WHO are saying they shouln't be used except around sick people....but we know a bunch of people are asymptomatic or presymptomatic. This is now in direct contradiction to what the CDC is saying (and now recommending for schools next fall). This also places policies like LA County and OC County (masks on beaches!) in an even more extreme position. The entire thing is a cluster f. The so-called experts don't know what they are doing. And people who were inclined to be skeptical anyways are just going to shake their heads and say it's all nonesense and reject even reasonable precautions.

Seriously....if you can afford it, don't home school, and can swing it, get out of Cali....what's coming is an absolute trainwreck for the public schools.

What do you think the schools should do?

 

[watfly]

So true. Classroom size limited to 16? Are you kidding me? Under 30 is a small classroom in most public schools.

And regarding the mask thing... I think what it points out is that the "experts" can be and are often wrong. We are told to "trust the science" but there is so much contradiction in the science that it will make your head spin. The predictions that some of the experts (English doctor Ferguson) have made have been WAY off in many cases.

I'll post this again.

Why Experts are Almost Always Wrong

No one, not even the experts, really knows what's about to happen

www.smithsonianmag.com

Another big failure by politicians and experts is they tried to force compliance through fear mongering and pretended that the rules were based on science, when in fact most weren't. For one example (there are endless examples), Pritzer limited boating in Illinois to two people per boat from the same family. Well if you were a family of 5 you were SOL and had to be split between 3 boats. When you make up arbitrary rules that defy common sense you lose credibility and people start to ignore legitimate rules. If we had to take a shot for every time a politician and their apologists says "we have to rely on the science" we'd all be alcoholics. There is this myth that science is some sort of consensus, when in reality it never is.

Its funny to me that if you disagree with any of the Covid lockdown rules, you get shamed for not believing in science or thinking your smarter than an expert. Apparently what ever a handpicked expert says, you should turn off your brain and not use your own common sense and thinking abilities...despite the fact that experts are rarely right or often change their opinions.

 

[Grace T.]

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What do you think the schools should do?
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I wouldn't presume...neither a medical expert nor an educator (even though my track record with this thing is really really really good). What my kid's school laid out I think is barely workable. It will rise and fall with the contact trace thing and how often there are outbreaks (if multiple times, the parents will quickly lose patience). From the reaction, I gather 1/3 of the parents are really upset at the restrictions and maybe 10-20% want to continue to hide under the bed (and get a tuition reduction for all remote learning). Since we don't know how bad it will be in fall, it's really hard to predict. If the thing has really receded they say they are more than ready to loosen restrictions. At least we'll have full time, on campus instruction.

But it's a private school with small class sizes. If this is the expectation for the public school, I don't think they'll be able to meet it at least not under the California rules (assuming they remain unchanged). If unchanged, we're headed for a trainwreck.

 

[jpeter]

I'll post this again.

Why Experts are Almost Always Wrong

No one, not even the experts, really knows what's about to happen

www.smithsonianmag.com

Another big failure by politicians and experts is they tried to force compliance through fear mongering and pretended that the rules were based on science, when in fact most weren't. For one example (there are endless examples), Pritzer limited boating in Illinois to two people per boat from the same family. Well if you were a family of 5 you were SOL and had to be split between 3 boats. When you make up arbitrary rules that defy common sense you lose credibility and people start to ignore legitimate rules. If we had to take a shot for every time a politician and their apologists says "we have to rely on the science" we'd all be alcoholics. There is this myth that science is some sort of consensus, when in reality it never is.

Its funny to me that if you disagree with any of the Covid lockdown rules, you get shamed for not believing in science or thinking your smarter than an expert. Apparently what ever a handpicked expert says, you should turn off your brain and not use your own common sense and thinking abilities...despite the fact that experts are rarely right or often change their opinions.

Really frustrating how it went and continues, some 3 second flash on the satellite radio about mental paralysis saying 30% now have some sort of mental health issues, no motivation, etc now as a result of staying home too much cooped up

 

[JumboJack]

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I wouldn't presume...neither a medical expert nor an educator (even though my track record with this thing is really really really good). What my kid's school laid out I think is barely workable. It will rise and fall with the contact trace thing and how often there are outbreaks (if multiple times, the parents will quickly lose patience). From the reaction, I gather 1/3 of the parents are really upset at the restrictions and maybe 10-20% want to continue to hide under the bed (and get a tuition reduction for all remote learning). Since we don't know how bad it will be in fall, it's really hard to predict. If the thing has really receded they say they are more than ready to loosen restrictions. At least we'll have full time, on campus instruction.

But it's a private school with small class sizes. If this is the expectation for the public school, I don't think they'll be able to meet it at least not under the California rules (assuming they remain unchanged). If unchanged, we're headed for a trainwreck.
[/QUOTE]
My kids attend a private school and their proposed covid protocols do not sound as extreme as what you are facing.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

The shelter at home people are somehow the majority of people that are getting sick and hospitalized. That alone should tell you that it's a failed policy.

There still is a lot about transmission that is not understood. There are certainly cases where the source was obvious. But, what was happening in NY with the bulk of the cases coming from those sheltering in place hasn't been explained.

Actually what a lot of scientists from different countries are saying is that kids don't seem to spread the virus much and they are not sure why.

So not only is there about zero risk for kids, they also don't seem to be spreaders.

Maybe it's because they are asymptomatic and not coughing all over the place. Also, being asymptomatic, they virus may not be re-producing as well. Grace, any ideas?