What is your School Doing so far regarding sports?

[watfly]

Game on for those 850,000 kids & parents!!!

San Diego County 0-19 Total Hospitalizations (likely co-conditions) 43 or .005%
San Diego County 0-19 Deaths 0, or .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%

Spare me the whole spreader argument. Show me evidence of any material outbreak of kids spreading it to adults.

Yes, schools are closed, but the evidence still shows kids are unlikely to catch or spread coronavirus

Brunswick East Primary School and Keilor Views Primary School in Melbourne have temporarily shut down after children from both schools tested positive to COVID-19, while a confirmed case in a year 2 student led to the closure of Sydney's Lane Cove West Public School. A childcare center in the...

medicalxpress.com

Research Shows Students Falling Months Behind During Virus Disruptions (Published 2020)

The abrupt switch to remote learning wiped out academic gains for many students in America, and widened racial and economic gaps. Catching up in the fall won’t be easy.

www.nytimes.com

Why a Pediatric Group Is Pushing to Reopen Schools This Fall (Published 2020)

Guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics encourage “having students physically present in school.” Dr. Sean O’Leary, an author of that advice, explains why.

www.nytimes.com

 

[tjinaz]

for teenagers alcohol and drug use will begin to trend higher. You watch more teenagers will begin to ignore zoom classroom and just hang out with their friends. They should at least try to get the kids to practice sports in the afternoon at school. Give them something to do and a chance to hang out with their friends.

Ha.. when i first read that I was thinking the same for the parents. Not easy being home with kids all day while trying to work. God knows I'm drinking more now.

 

[SoccerFan]

LAUSD—-Students will not return to the classroom this Fall!

L.A. Unified will not reopen campuses for start of school year amid coronavirus spike

Because of the spike in coronavirus cases, Los Angeles public school campuses will not reopen for classes Aug. 18 and will remain shut indefinitely.

www.latimes.com

 

[gkmom]

I am guessing because Cal shut down sports is the reason vs suddenly you are worried your kid may get sick.

From the CDC website.

Quote: "For children (0-17 years), cumulative COVID-19 hospitalization rates are much lower than cumulative influenza hospitalization rates at comparable time points* during recent influenza seasons."

My kid and husband have pretty bad asthma. But thanks for the judgement

 

[Desert Hound]

Ha.. when i first read that I was thinking the same for the parents. Not easy being home with kids all day while trying to work. God knows I'm drinking more now.

So how does that work for parents that have to go to work but have younger kids who shouldn't be home by themselves.

Other countries are sending their kids back to school.

But half of our country wants to hide out in their basement.

 

[Desert Hound]

My kid and husband have pretty bad asthma. But thanks for the judgement

I am god on judgements. And if you 2 fall into the risk category stay home and keep your kid home. Don't advocate for the rest of us to have to do the same as you feel you need to do.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

I am god on judgements. And if you 2 fall into the risk category stay home and keep your kid home. Don't advocate for the rest of us to have to do the same as you feel you need to do.

So, would you say you are a judgy god? ;-)

 

[Eagle33]

San Diego County 0-19 Total Hospitalizations (likely co-conditions) 43 or .005%
San Diego County 0-19 Deaths 0, or .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%

Spare me the whole spreader argument. Show me evidence of any material outbreak of kids spreading it to adults.

Yes, schools are closed, but the evidence still shows kids are unlikely to catch or spread coronavirus

Brunswick East Primary School and Keilor Views Primary School in Melbourne have temporarily shut down after children from both schools tested positive to COVID-19, while a confirmed case in a year 2 student led to the closure of Sydney's Lane Cove West Public School. A childcare center in the...

medicalxpress.com

Research Shows Students Falling Months Behind During Virus Disruptions (Published 2020)

The abrupt switch to remote learning wiped out academic gains for many students in America, and widened racial and economic gaps. Catching up in the fall won’t be easy.

www.nytimes.com

Why a Pediatric Group Is Pushing to Reopen Schools This Fall (Published 2020)

Guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics encourage “having students physically present in school.” Dr. Sean O’Leary, an author of that advice, explains why.

www.nytimes.com

Its a great example of how few dedicated adults can fuck up for the whole lot of kids.

 

[Desert Hound]

So, would you say you are a judgy god? ;-)

God? Nope. But I am certainly a good judge of reading data and seeing who is at risk.

And positive cases have gone up rapidly and yet we are not seeing the corresponding spike in deaths that we say early on.

The median age of those dying is still around 80. So we know who is at risk and who isn't.

We know that if you are under 17 your risk is well under the flu. Up until 55 or so you are slightly elevated risk vs the flu. 80 plus AND with issues, you have a large risk factor.

A sane strategy would be to devise a plan built around known risk factors vs pretending everything needs to be shut down and the reporting implying everyone is at risk when that is not the case.

 

[gkmom]

I am god on judgements. And if you 2 fall into the risk category stay home and keep your kid home. Don't advocate for the rest of us to have to do the same as you feel you need to do.

Can you remind me where I was advocating this? Because I never did. I stated that temperature checks at school entrance won't work because of logistical reasons. I never said for anyone to keep their kid home. Go fuck yourself

 

[Desert Hound]

Go fuck yourself

Touchy aren't we.

If I confused you with another person my bad.

 

[gkmom]

Touchy aren't we.

If I confused you with another person my bad.

it's pretty shitty to accuse someone whose kid is high risk of advocating for everyone else to have to suffer. This sucks for my son having to be extra careful while everyone else is out having fun. I would never wish that on other people, and it pissed me off that you accused me of doing so. But thanks for realizing you had me confused with someone else

 

[Grace T.]

And all this on the same day a German study released in Saxony (which returned to school with full class sizes and local outbreaks in progress) says schools are not a major vector of transmission and kids may even serve as a break on the infection.

German study finds no evidence coronavirus spreads in schools

Schools do not play a major role in spreading the coronavirus, according to the results of a German study released on Monday. The study, the largest carried out on schoolchildren and teachers in Germany, found traces of the virus in fewer than 1 per cent of teachers and children. Scientists from...

news.yahoo.com

 

[socalkdg]

My kid and husband have pretty bad asthma. But thanks for the judgement

Which is why home schooling is best for your family. But give parents some options as it isn't best for other families. I know about 10 teachers, about 6 want to go back, 4 don't. So guess who teaches at the school, and who remotely teaches. Give options to both the parents and the teachers.

My kid just finished high school health class at home in 4 weeks. Got an A. Not sure though how much she learned because she would be learning while watching tv. Hey, maybe she is a great multitasker. Having said that I'd prefer that she gets some actual class time in as well.

 

[Eagle33]

Can you remind me where I was advocating this? Because I never did. I stated that temperature checks at school entrance won't work because of logistical reasons. I never said for anyone to keep their kid home. Go fuck yourself

It's really easy to say this won't work and that won't work without actually trying to make it work. I'm sure it will work with help of many parent volunteers who rather make it work than stay home with kids for another 6 month.

 

[gkmom]

Which is why home schooling is best for your family. But give parents some options as it isn't best for other families. I know about 10 teachers, about 6 want to go back, 4 don't. So guess who teaches at the school, and who remotely teaches. Give options to both the parents and the teachers.

My kid just finished high school health class at home in 4 weeks. Got an A. Not sure though how much she learned because she would be learning while watching tv. Hey, maybe she is a great multitasker. Having said that I'd prefer that she gets some actual class time in as well.

I'm all for options. Unfortunately my school district announced today everything will be online. Even though I would have had to make a very tough choice for my own child, I feel so bad for those who would have definitely wanted their child at school for whatever reason. It's not a choice for them anymore.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

God? Nope. But I am certainly a good judge of reading data and seeing who is at risk.

And positive cases have gone up rapidly and yet we are not seeing the corresponding spike in deaths that we say early on.

The median age of those dying is still around 80. So we know who is at risk and who isn't.

We know that if you are under 17 your risk is well under the flu. Up until 55 or so you are slightly elevated risk vs the flu. 80 plus AND with issues, you have a large risk factor.

A sane strategy would be to devise a plan built around known risk factors vs pretending everything needs to be shut down and the reporting implying everyone is at risk when that is not the case.

Just messing with your typo.

I'd like to think something creative could be accomplished. Here's a thought:
- Split teachers into two groups - those who are lower risk and willing to teach in class, classroom teachers, and the rest, online teachers
- Split kids the same way based on parent desires, school kids and home kids
- Have the online teachers teach the home kids
- If there are too many "school kids" for the teachers and space, rotate the school kids in with the classroom teachers
- If possible, have some outside playground or all purpose room for physical activity to keep more kids at school longer and allow parents to work. Have parent volunteers help supervise if needed.
- If one group of teachers has more work that the other, divide the paperwork up to even it out.

Unfortunately, when you have the union in LA demanding 14 days without a positive test case in the county as a requirement for returning to the classroom, you can pretty much count on nothing creative being accomplished.

 

[Grace T.]

A little over the top, but grain of truth.....

 

[tjinaz]

Just messing with your typo.

I'd like to think something creative could be accomplished. Here's a thought:
- Split teachers into two groups - those who are lower risk and willing to teach in class, classroom teachers, and the rest, online teachers
- Split kids the same way based on parent desires, school kids and home kids
- Have the online teachers teach the home kids
- If there are too many "school kids" for the teachers and space, rotate the school kids in with the classroom teachers
- If possible, have some outside playground or all purpose room for physical activity to keep more kids at school longer and allow parents to work. Have parent volunteers help supervise if needed.
- If one group of teachers has more work that the other, divide the paperwork up to even it out.

Unfortunately, when you have the union in LA demanding 14 days without a positive test case in the county as a requirement for returning to the classroom, you can pretty much count on nothing creative being accomplished.

I like it. Just like everything else one size does not fit all.. My kids normally go to school 5-6hrs a day. Doing online courses they are "done" in less than 2hrs. Not sure how much they are really learning and both are extremely anxious to go back. They don't learn well online and are afraid they are getting behind. I think your basic outline provides a good compromise but it makes too much sense for school boards and teachers unions to agree to. Because.. after all.. its all about the children.. right?

 

[Copa9]

The argument behind the article is basically "I'm scared and I don't want to go back until it's safe." Even assuming we can get to "safe" by having a vaccine that work and that gets quickly deployed, here's the flaw in the thinking: lot's of people are being asked to do things which aren't safe either-- health care workers, supermarket workers, meat packing plant workers, the police, your aircon guy, your plumber, your hair dresser. If it's not safe for a teacher to go back, it's not safe for them to go back either. The argument logically leads to a position that we need to shut down everything (except maybe workers who do COVID, food, water, electricity and the police) and not force workers who are scared to go back to work. Therefore, if you have plumbing that breaks down, you should be SOL, because it's selfish of you to ask a plumber to come to your house. This is essentially an argument for perpetual lockdown because of the maxim that used to be expressed "women and children first". Yes, children come before educators. They should come before we open gyms and bars. They come before your plumbing and airconditioning. They come before your protests. They should be at the head of the line, because they are the future and among the least vulnerable to the virus, but we are insisting on doing lasting, permanent and inequatable harm to them for the sake of older Americans. That's just a backwards way of thinking about it. If the schools aren't o.k., then none of it is....shut it all down and everyone use their best survival skills as the social order disintegrates around us after a year long lockdown....every person for themselves.

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Well at least supermarket workers have a plastic barrier between them and the single customer. Then they sanitize. Health care workers have PPE, or should by now, meat plant workers are also separated by plastic barriers, police usually only face one person at a time when stopping cars etc, etc. and can distance themselves. Step into my classroom, not a single window that opens, 32 desks with barely enough room to walk around, children packed in all day long, touching desks, pencil sharpeners, sinks, picking up things they drop on dirty floor, touching everything. I won't even discuss the bathrooms, but hey they can hold it all day long, right. Maybe we get parents to volunteer and clean the bathroom after the six hundred children at my school use the four bathrooms. It is a totally different environment, it is a petri dish of germs. Or let's go outside in the 100 degree heat and teach all day, or during the Santa Ana Winds. I can see that one now and hear the screams of joy as their papers are taken into the sky. Yep that would be great. No one is asking for a permanent lock down. We just want people to stop being stupid and selfish. We could have been there, we could have reopened, but hey, let's have a Memorial Day get together, let's have a July 4th bbq in the backyard with just a few friends and family, let's protest the beaches being closed by screaming and yelling without masks, let's have a covid party to see who gets it first. Let's go to the hairdresser's garage and get our hair done. Let's have our bible study group, let's have our choir practice, let's have a distance baby shower and pass the darling gifts around. Let's go to a bar, let's not wear a mask I want my freedom, well guess what, we had a chance and blew it. By the way, a look at history shows that children have survived far worse during war time and have come out stronger and more resilient. If this is the worse thing children ever experience then they are truly blessed. Better treatments for the virus are coming and maybe just maybe some form of vaccine.

 

[Copa9]

Errr...some of our biggest outbreaks have been in meat packing plants, the military and prisons. So if that's the standard we shouldn't force people to work there, and the military should be furloughed. Not to mention health care workers, who despite the PPE have been catching the virus in record amounts. If the PPE doesn't keep the health worker safe, much less the plumber or aircon guy or contractor going into an infected person's house. Meanwhile, we know that transmission from children is less substantial than adult-adult or adult-child.

Military is doing pretty well. They have been able to quarantine and trace very effectively. The reason health care workers are getting covid is because of the heavy viral load they are exposed to.