What happened to THE Luis Andres thread?

Luis Andres said:
Wait a minute how can you make such a claim to say that the team has not developed? Have you seen them play top teams lately? Have you seen how they control games and make the best teams resort to playing defense most of the game?
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It doesn't matter how they play at U9... because 2 years from now you'll be somewhere else and so will half that team. Well, maybe not. They may stay to avoid running into you at tryouts elsewhere. Others here have probably forgotten they made some of the same mistakes you're making, Luis, myself included, but heed their advice anyway. They know it's a marathon.

Your kid may suck in 2 years. It happens. And lots of badass 12-year olds no longer play at 14 because their dad was named "Luis".
 
The Outlaw said:
It doesn't matter how they play at U9... because 2 years from now you'll be somewhere else and so will half that team. Well, maybe not. They may stay to avoid running into you at tryouts elsewhere. Others here have probably forgotten they made some of the same mistakes you're making, Luis, myself included, but heed their advice anyway. They know it's a marathon.

Your kid may suck in 2 years. It happens. And lots of badass 12-year olds no longer play at 14 because their dad was named "Luis".
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I don’t think anyone on this forum can say they haven’t been that parent at least once. And you are 100% correct, we share our stories and advice based on such experiences and the ability to look back at our mistakes.
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
Ok, I think it's time to ease off a bit on Luis Andres. Judging from his post from the 2011's thread it sounds like he has listened and taken to heart the good advice offered on the forum:



Kudos to Luis Andres for recognizing the fault in his original approach and for making making a pretty big pivot in the right direction.
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Agree if that is the case and want to believe it. But something just tells me that he will.........just......say........one.....
.more..........thing to ruin it.
 
Kicker4Life said:
I don’t think anyone on this forum can say they haven’t been that parent at least once. And you are 100% correct, we share our stories and advice based on such experiences and the ability to look back at our mistakes.
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I'm particularly sympathetic with the reluctance to give up control since I really struggled with it. Part of it was recognizing that my usefulness as a coach to my son had come to an end...he just wasn't going to learn any more from me. But part of it was a distrust of the coaches both because their goals weren't aligned with mine (keeping their jobs v developing the particular player) and some of their technique was just wrong. My son's first coach knew about the goalkeeper position but her information was old (she, for example, was teaching him on the grounders to pickup with the now discredited bended knee or to dive with the shoulder instead of the hands). His second coach was amazing at the field stuff (particularly on offense) but his corrections in goal often amounted to ambiguous directions that weren't helpful like "fix it" or "don't let that in".

That's why I think the best advice given so far is to find a coach you like, or failing that a trainer that knows what they are doing, and let them coach.

Or if you really must be the coach, well be the coach on an Extras or United Team that might not be as highly placed, but they (both coaches and parents, though YMMV) tend to be a little more focused on tournament wins and league standings than other organizations. I hope he shares with us the experience with his AYSO team...he's had to have had his first practice by now.
 
Luis Andres said:
I wouldn’t go as far as to say intentionally trying to lose a game but playing a game by starting your bench and mixing up the normal player positions in a critical game where you needed the win to advance to the final. Wether it’s trying to lose a game or experimenting in a pre season tournament or trying to prove a point. Not sure. That’s up to you to interpret.
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I'm going off your interpretation:

Desert Hound said:
Tell us how the coach changed the lineup last weekend that cost the tournament finals.
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Luis Andres said:
Started the bench. Put players in different positions that they normally were not used to playing. Maybe he was trying to set an example that he does not care to win but to develop his players
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they're littles. just let them play.
 
SBGCDALife said:
The best thing to do is move to the Blues next season, then Albion after that, then follow that season up with SD Surf. Once you have established your daughter and made a great name for yourself with all those clubs the USWNT will surely be knocking on your door.
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if there's one thing people love is a club hopper.
 
The Outlaw said:
It doesn't matter how they play at U9... because 2 years from now you'll be somewhere else and so will half that team. Well, maybe not. They may stay to avoid running into you at tryouts elsewhere. Others here have probably forgotten they made some of the same mistakes you're making, Luis, myself included, but heed their advice anyway. They know it's a marathon.

Your kid may suck in 2 years. It happens. And lots of badass 12-year olds no longer play at 14 because their dad was named "Luis".
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Agree...
 

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Chalklines said:
But at this age you need to find the right fit. Coaches change, ass hole parental units like Luis show up and you need to due what's best for yours sometimes moving around can't be avoided.
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I agree with this. It would be easier if coaches were honest and up front about what they were planning and expectations during tryouts, but they a) may not even know yet as early as tryouts since they are still feeling the team out, b) might just be concerned with fielding a team particularly if they are an indie club like the one in OP or the second/third tier of a larger club, or c) might be trying to recruit the player so will say anything. My son's second year I got the big push about development and building from the back and I specifically told the coach one of the reasons we were moving was I wanted a place that built from the back and let my son take his goalkicks (I only have two redlines...that and allowing private training outside the club)...in virtually every tournament or big game the big legged defender was instructed to "send it"...and in virtually every tryout we went to we were told by coaches "yeah we build from the back" yet everywhere I go on a tournament field coaches are "sending it". I'm not so sure it would have gone really great had Luis' coach sat down the parents and told them: look we are going to lose a bunch of tournaments and we probably won't win our bracket and don't be surprised if you see some of those more advanced kids not starting or sitting on the bench...if the player works hard, I intend to give every player playing time and I want to encourage my players to make mistakes out there and learn something from those mistakes even if it costs us games. Sometimes you don't know until the August tournament season starts, and by then the roster freeze has kicked in and many of the clubs are full.
 
I can't piece together all the timeline since Luis deleted his postings, but to sum it up:
-Dominic "innocently" created a "Who is top 10" thread in the G2011 forum.
-As expected, the G2011 parents started debating which 7-year-old team is the best and throwing insults at each other.
-Poor Luis couldn't resist joining the conversations even though he is not even a G2011 parent.
-The Luis Andres character came fully alive on socalsoccer.com.
-Site traffic at socalsoccer.com went up by 400% as members hung up to Luis' every posting in anticipation of the inevitable and tragic end.

Nicely done, admin.
 
Messi>CR7 said:
I can't piece together all the timeline since Luis deleted his postings, but to sum it up:
-Dominic "innocently" created a "Who is top 10" thread in the G2011 forum.
-As expected, the G2011 parents started debating which 7-year-old team is the best and throwing insults at each other.
-Poor Luis couldn't resist joining the conversations even though he is not even a G2011 parent.
-The Luis Andres character came fully alive on socalsoccer.com.
-Site traffic at socalsoccer.com went up by 400% as members hung up to Luis' every posting in anticipation of the inevitable and tragic end.
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you forgot...

-postmortem done by person with too much idle time
 
Anon9 said:
I agree. I stopped checking it every 5 minutes. We need the old Luis Andres back!
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I learned my lesson, never to talk about anyone else’s DD but my own. I learned that winning tournaments at young ages is not what’s important. What’s important is the development of my own DD. As far as what I do to train her. I’m still sticking to my guns on that. I’ve done a great job so far in making her a solid all around player. She’s fine for now where she is at, development wise. As long as she keeps growing every season and stays at a level that I feel she needs to be at, I’m happy.
 
Luis Andres said:
As long as she ......... stays at a level that I feel she needs to be at, I’m happy.
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Wow this says it all. This is not about your dd it is about you. I really don’t care how you mess up your own kid but make sure you leave all the other families alone, there is a reason they kicked you off the team chat and don’t like you.
 
Luis Andres said:
I learned my lesson, never to talk about anyone else’s DD but my own. I learned that winning tournaments at young ages is not what’s important. What’s important is the development of my own DD. As far as what I do to train her. I’m still sticking to my guns on that. I’ve done a great job so far in making her a solid all around player. She’s fine for now where she is at, development wise. As long as she keeps growing every season and stays at a level that I feel she needs to be at, I’m happy.
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You forgot the single most important thing, which is “As long as SHE is happy, loves the game, and wants to continue playing.”

But hey....
 
Luis Andres said:
I was referring to my expectations.
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You are still doing it: "my expectations", not hers. Let me ask you this: why is it so important for you to have her become an elite player? And yes...I know she has potential...in the video you shared she's a great soccer player for her age (again, though, tempered with she's 8). You also said she was really great in math...why don't you have her in Kumon or Chinese Learning Center 5 days a week...or in cycling for that matter....why football?

Also how's the AYSO team going...you start practice?
 
Luis Andres said:
I learned my lesson, never to talk about anyone else’s DD but my own. I learned that winning tournaments at young ages is not what’s important. What’s important is the development of my own DD. As far as what I do to train her. I’m still sticking to my guns on that. I’ve done a great job so far in making her a solid all around player. She’s fine for now where she is at, development wise. As long as she keeps growing every season and stays at a level that I feel she needs to be at, I’m happy.
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Be yourself and don't change for these people! I know you're trying to be humble...stop it
 
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