I thought Ole 2010 was the best team in So Cal? Two weeks later everything has changed and you’re contemplating her future? LOL
What happened to THE Luis Andres thread?
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Reviewing game film of what a child screwed up on at 8 years old is abuse. She already knows she made a mistake and the cryings your fault because you've put so much pressure on her to win.
Why not just tell your DD you love her because she tried her best and call it a day?
Focus on how you can plan a swim or pizza party with the team instead of being a total jack hole. Take a deep breath and leave the coaching to the club since your paying for it! Just let the loss go.....
Reviewing game film of what a child screwed up on at 8 years old is abuse. She already knows she made a mistake and the cryings your fault because you've put so much pressure on her to win.
Why not just tell your DD you love her because she tried her best and call it a day?
Focus on how you can plan a swim or pizza party with the team instead of being a total jack hole. Take a deep breath and leave the coaching to the club since your paying for it! Just let the loss go.....
Over the weekend a very nice gentleman wrote me a very long message about his journey so far with his kids. This was probably the best eye opening story for me. He mentioned how he was caught up with winning tournaments as well too in the beginning but as his kids got older he mentioned that he realized that it’s more about doing what’s best for them to continue to progress with their development. Wether to have them play DA or play up a year or two or have his DD play with a boys team. it all depends on the specific team, coach and program and current situation. He mentioned all the little extras that he has done with them to get them to be top players within their age groups. Which I’m all for. So yes I have had a change of heart and I agree now with all of you that it’s not about winning tournaments at this young age level. It’s about doing what’s best for their development.
So we decided to stay with the current team because that is the best option as of now. Could I take my DD to the Eagles or Blues so we can make their teams stronger just so I can say look we won all these tournaments? Sure yes. But will she develop in the way that I want her as a soccer player given their style of soccer they teach is not what I’m looking for my DD? Probably not. I’m a big fan of possession soccer. And the current club is all about that style of soccer that I like for my DD to learn to play.
Take for example, my team. The Chilean national team. A team that may not have had all the super stars like the rest of the top national teams in the world but created a beautiful style of soccer that so many love to watch with a core of players who weren’t necessarily the best individual players around but they learned how to play as a team and they showed that they can play with the best teams in the world and compete with anyone. That’s more of what I like about the current club. The fact that we don’t have the biggest and most athletic girls on the team but we are able to compete with the top teams in the age group. That’s where I like my daughter to stay for now.
So we decided to stay with the current team because that is the best option as of now. Could I take my DD to the Eagles or Blues so we can make their teams stronger just so I can say look we won all these tournaments? Sure yes. But will she develop in the way that I want her as a soccer player given their style of soccer they teach is not what I’m looking for my DD? Probably not. I’m a big fan of possession soccer. And the current club is all about that style of soccer that I like for my DD to learn to play.
Take for example, my team. The Chilean national team. A team that may not have had all the super stars like the rest of the top national teams in the world but created a beautiful style of soccer that so many love to watch with a core of players who weren’t necessarily the best individual players around but they learned how to play as a team and they showed that they can play with the best teams in the world and compete with anyone. That’s more of what I like about the current club. The fact that we don’t have the biggest and most athletic girls on the team but we are able to compete with the top teams in the age group. That’s where I like my daughter to stay for now.
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Yea I’ve been looking at all the options and that’s what I’ve decided to do.
SBGCDALife
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The best thing to do is move to the Blues next season, then Albion after that, then follow that season up with SD Surf. Once you have established your daughter and made a great name for yourself with all those clubs the USWNT will surely be knocking on your door.
May I ask why you think this specific route mentioned is best? Can you elaborate as to why Blues to Albion to SD Surf?
No affiliation to the team. I would not say the coach was good. Most of that team did not develop and have fallen off the soccer map.
Soccerfan2
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It’s sarcasm.
Whoever wrote you the long message was kind enough to share what they’ve learned with your (and DD’s) best interest in mind. You’re right to take that good advice. Another thing I would suggest is working future things out in private with a few trusted, knowledgeable people instead of in public. Unfortunately not everyone out there will want the best for you.
Wait a minute how can you make such a claim to say that the team has not developed? Have you seen them play top teams lately? Have you seen how they control games and make the best teams resort to playing defense most of the game?
I’m talking about a team that longer exists. The coach recruited athletes. He did nothing to perpetuate their growth as players. The two that are still playing at a high level did not do so because of the coach. I know this because my daughter played against this team for years.
Ok now I need a flow chart to follow this guy. First he gets on here bashing a little girl because he does not feel she is good enough to play with his dd, making it very obvious what team his dd is on. Then after people tell him he’s an ass for slamming a 8 year old on a public forum he tells us how amazing his dd is, that she is a 8 year old unicorn and that he is a martyr because he is the only one willing to help this little girl get better. He claims to have learned and deletes his thread were it was very apparent that he is an asshat.
Then he tells us that everyone on the team hates him (the first believable thing he has said) and that he is banned from the team’s group chat. Then after they don’t make the finals, he cries that the coach intentionally lost the game by starting the bench, that he is done with the team and the forum and tells Dom to delete all his posts. And now he is back after 12 hours and is a changed man? Give me an f’n break.
Either he is bipolar, an addict, drama queen or just really stupid with all these flip flops. My bet is on some of all four.
Like I said, have your wife take your dd to all practices and games or find an individual activity that you can control. This last backpedaling is probably due to you realizing that the roster freeze started Aug 1 and thus your dd is stuck with this team and you need to kiss ass. You have not learned a thing here and it is not fair to the other families on the team to have to deal with your bull.
Then he tells us that everyone on the team hates him (the first believable thing he has said) and that he is banned from the team’s group chat. Then after they don’t make the finals, he cries that the coach intentionally lost the game by starting the bench, that he is done with the team and the forum and tells Dom to delete all his posts. And now he is back after 12 hours and is a changed man? Give me an f’n break.
Either he is bipolar, an addict, drama queen or just really stupid with all these flip flops. My bet is on some of all four.
Like I said, have your wife take your dd to all practices and games or find an individual activity that you can control. This last backpedaling is probably due to you realizing that the roster freeze started Aug 1 and thus your dd is stuck with this team and you need to kiss ass. You have not learned a thing here and it is not fair to the other families on the team to have to deal with your bull.
rainbow_unicorn
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Ok, I think it's time to ease off a bit on Luis Andres. Judging from his post from the 2011's thread it sounds like he has listened and taken to heart the good advice offered on the forum:
Kudos to Luis Andres for recognizing the fault in his original approach and for making making a pretty big pivot in the right direction.
Kudos to Luis Andres for recognizing the fault in his original approach and for making making a pretty big pivot in the right direction.
In the last 3 weeks he’s trashed every team in there while even pissing off parents at his own club with the stuff he was saying. He started this morning trashing his own coach claiming he intentionally lost a tournament this weekend. Don’t give him so much credit lol
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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It doesn't matter how they play at U9... because 2 years from now you'll be somewhere else and so will half that team. Well, maybe not. They may stay to avoid running into you at tryouts elsewhere. Others here have probably forgotten they made some of the same mistakes you're making, Luis, myself included, but heed their advice anyway. They know it's a marathon.
Your kid may suck in 2 years. It happens. And lots of badass 12-year olds no longer play at 14 because their dad was named "Luis".
I don’t think anyone on this forum can say they haven’t been that parent at least once. And you are 100% correct, we share our stories and advice based on such experiences and the ability to look back at our mistakes.
OCsoccerdad7777
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Agree if that is the case and want to believe it. But something just tells me that he will.........just......say........one.....
.more..........thing to ruin it.
I'm particularly sympathetic with the reluctance to give up control since I really struggled with it. Part of it was recognizing that my usefulness as a coach to my son had come to an end...he just wasn't going to learn any more from me. But part of it was a distrust of the coaches both because their goals weren't aligned with mine (keeping their jobs v developing the particular player) and some of their technique was just wrong. My son's first coach knew about the goalkeeper position but her information was old (she, for example, was teaching him on the grounders to pickup with the now discredited bended knee or to dive with the shoulder instead of the hands). His second coach was amazing at the field stuff (particularly on offense) but his corrections in goal often amounted to ambiguous directions that weren't helpful like "fix it" or "don't let that in".
That's why I think the best advice given so far is to find a coach you like, or failing that a trainer that knows what they are doing, and let them coach.
Or if you really must be the coach, well be the coach on an Extras or United Team that might not be as highly placed, but they (both coaches and parents, though YMMV) tend to be a little more focused on tournament wins and league standings than other organizations. I hope he shares with us the experience with his AYSO team...he's had to have had his first practice by now.
OrangeCountyDad
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I'm going off your interpretation:
they're littles. just let them play.
OrangeCountyDad
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if there's one thing people love is a club hopper.
Chalklines
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But at this age you need to find the right fit. Coaches change, ass hole parental units like Luis show up and you need to due what's best for yours sometimes moving around can't be avoided.