Vaccine
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Sorry @dad4 masks dont work.
"An international research collaboration that reviewed several dozen rigorous studies of "physical interventions" against influenza and COVID-19 through last year failed to find even a modest effect on infection or illness rates from masks of all qualities."
'Little to no difference': Massive mask meta-study undermines remaining COVID mandates
Researchers in "gold standard" collaboration struggle to find benefit from surgical over no masks, or N95 respirators over surgical. Findings buoy warnings by PPE expert that even "perfect rate of capture" by N95s can't stop COVID transmission.justthenews.com
Effect of Distributing Locally Produced Cloth Facemasks on COVID-19-Like Illness and All-Cause Mortality – a Cluster-Randomised Controlled Trial in Urban Guinea-Bissau
Background: Facemasks have been employed to mitigate the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The community effect of providing cloth facemasks on COVID-19 morbidity and morta
papers.ssrn.com
Duh doy....I believe someone around here said this....humans don't like to have their mouths covered apparently.
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
We've been LIED to sooo much by the US Government as of late that maybe
this wacky " Conspiracy " map of US Military tunnels across the western states
just might be factual....Maybe.....
this wacky " Conspiracy " map of US Military tunnels across the western states
just might be factual....Maybe.....
And it's over.....
edsource.org
California ends plans for kids’ Covid vaccine mandate
The end of the state's Covid-19 state of emergency this month effectively ends plans to require kids to be vaccinated against the virus.
edsource.org
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
And in line with the above.....it is only going to get worse it seems.
"Advocacy journalism is the new touchstone in the media even as polls show that trust in the media is plummeting. Now, former executive editor for The Washington Post Leonard Downie Jr. and former CBS News President Andrew Heyward have released the results of their interviews with over 75 media leaders and concluded that objectivity is now considered reactionary and even harmful. Emilio Garcia-Ruiz, editor-in-chief at the San Francisco Chronicle said it plainly: “Objectivity has got to go.”
"In an interview with The Stanford Daily, Stanford journalism professor, Ted Glasser, insisted that journalism needed to “free itself from this notion of objectivity to develop a sense of social justice.” He rejected the notion that journalism is based on objectivity and said that he views “journalists as activists because journalism at its best — and indeed history at its best — is all about morality.” Thus, “Journalists need to be overt and candid advocates for social justice, and it’s hard to do that under the constraints of objectivity.”
“Objectivity Has Got To Go”: News Leaders Call for the End of Objective Journalism
We previously discussed the movement in journalism schools to get rid of principles of objectivity in journalism. Advocacy journalism is the new touchstone in the media even as polls show that trus…jonathanturley.org
U.S. journalists differ from the public in their views of ‘bothsidesism’ in journalism
55% of journalists surveyed say that every side does not always deserve equal coverage in the news. 22% of Americans overall say the same.
www.pewresearch.org
Relevant highlights below
Desert Hound
DA
Please stop.
You been the biggest fan of masks since day one.
You conveniently ignored decades of studies the cdc used to have on their website showing masks to be ineffective vs a respiratory virus.
You ignored the fact that the virus spread like wildfire through heavily masked communities (as well as not so heavily masked communities), etc.
Etc etc.
I hope you sit back and think wow...I have been wearing a mask now for 2-3 years and it turns out it was pointless.
The list is long of bad decisions inflicted on us. Masks, vax mandates, closures, etc.
Maybe the more troubling aspect with very long term issues is how gov and tech work and are working together to supress info. This trend will only get worse. Most of the info/entertainment we see/hear/read comes through today a few big tech companies. And these tech companies are already manipulating what we get to be exposed to.
what? you quote a study. I ask if you know what is in it.
Does the study measure masks as PPI or as source control?
Clearly, you don’t know. Someone forwarded the news report to you, you then post it here, never having bothered to click through to the actual study.
Why shouldn’t I call you on it? You just said, “Hey guys, here is something I never read and don’t understand, but the headline agrees with me so I must be right.”
Happened again
SILVER ELITE
masking has always been and will always be such a benign approach to mitigate respiratory viruses - it' not very effective but proves to be rather non-invasive for most, except for those that hate being told what to do.
The real travesty is the forced vaccination of an entire generation of healthy people with an experimental platform that underperformed in every trial and outperformed adverse reaction metrics vs most vaccines. Now we will sit back and wait to see what happens. The 1000s of parents who were duped into vaccinating their healthy child are now mortified of what may come...I'm certain it's not a good feeling. Shame on school districts and bobblehead practitioners who blindly endorsed or went along with bad science and led them to practice bad medicine.
There are studies flying out of countries that are starting to paint the picture on mRNA vaccines. After 3 years of being told how deadly covid "could" be to children, you would be hard pressed to find any evidence of a healthy child who passed as a result of contracting covid. Just sad
Desert Hound
DA
So a cousin of mine works at this school.
Take a look at the various pages. Every photo shows poor souls having masks on at the school.
Desert Hound
DA
And remember when many of us pointed out that there were no long term studies done about safety...we were written off as crazy.
Forcing people to take an experimental drug is at a min unethical.
By the time the vax came out we knew who was at risk. Basically the majority of people have no real risk to the virus. And yet? Vax mandates, etc.
Terrible policy.
Apparently the Danes are anti-science.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Masks make 'little to no difference' to Covid infections or deaths
The study, in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Review, found that wearing mask in the community 'probably makes little or difference' to whether you catch Covid or flu-like illnesses.
Desert Hound
DA
@dad4 will still complain. @dad4
He and other cling to the belief that the masks they have been wearing now for years actually made a difference.
This despite decades of studies showing masks dont work vs respiratory viruses.
Further you would think by now that if masks actually worked there would be an abundance of massive studies showing this. Problem is there isn't.
More telling is his response above that he says "we always knew masks were weakly effective". I almost spat out my coffee reading that the first time. This from a guy who constantly and consistently touted the benefits of the masks and was sure that locations that had loose restrictions on masks would a disaster. Claiming now that we always knew masks were weakly effective is a way to try to whitewash his completely contrary position that stood up until just recently.
And back to the study. Cochrane is a highly regarded institution that works with a number of governments, ngo, supranational orgs, academic institutions, etc. This is not some dude on twitter that dad and others can write off as some guy who doesn't know what he is talking about.
The sad thing? If one looked around during the height of the pandemic and saw the spread went through places highly masked and not highly masked it was easy to conclude they (masks) don't help. There were also many scientists and doctors who pointed out masks are not designed to stop a respiratory virus. We now know that gov/tech worked hard to make these people sound crazy.
He and other cling to the belief that the masks they have been wearing now for years actually made a difference.
This despite decades of studies showing masks dont work vs respiratory viruses.
Further you would think by now that if masks actually worked there would be an abundance of massive studies showing this. Problem is there isn't.
More telling is his response above that he says "we always knew masks were weakly effective". I almost spat out my coffee reading that the first time. This from a guy who constantly and consistently touted the benefits of the masks and was sure that locations that had loose restrictions on masks would a disaster. Claiming now that we always knew masks were weakly effective is a way to try to whitewash his completely contrary position that stood up until just recently.
And back to the study. Cochrane is a highly regarded institution that works with a number of governments, ngo, supranational orgs, academic institutions, etc. This is not some dude on twitter that dad and others can write off as some guy who doesn't know what he is talking about.
The sad thing? If one looked around during the height of the pandemic and saw the spread went through places highly masked and not highly masked it was easy to conclude they (masks) don't help. There were also many scientists and doctors who pointed out masks are not designed to stop a respiratory virus. We now know that gov/tech worked hard to make these people sound crazy.
We first went over the difference between PPI and source control over two years ago. If you don’t understand it by now, that’s on you.
So, yes, masks are better as source control than as PPI. Same as two years ago.
Have you read the Cochrane study yet? Or still just saying “look, the headline agrees with me, so I must be right”?
Stephen Colbert’s masked-up audience mocked: ‘Their brains are broken’
Colbert mocked the Biden administration’s announcement that it was planning to end the federal state of emergency.
nypost.com
This is such disturbing behavior, Colbert is gloating about making his audience wear masks and his minions gleefully obey. I don't know what this is... Mental illness? A cult of virtue signaling? A generation that gets it's news from the Daily Show and other late night programs? Mind blowing stupidity? Celebrity self importance with Leftist celebrity worship?
Did you? or are you afraid of an opposing evidence which also allows you to claim plausible deniability?
It's interesting to see how some fear mongers, social experimenters and Covid myopics are hiding behind hindsight and claimed mischaracterizations of prior statements to rationalize their change in opinion.
I've said it before, if an adult wants to wear a security blanket on their face, go for it, but to mask kids is disgraceful.
I did. The study collects a variety of other studies, and does metaanalysis.Stephen Colbert’s masked-up audience mocked: ‘Their brains are broken’
Colbert mocked the Biden administration’s announcement that it was planning to end the federal state of emergency.
This is such disturbing behavior, Colbert is gloating about making his audience wear masks and his minions gleefully obey. I don't know what this is... Mental illness? A cult of virtue signaling? A generation that gets it's news from the Daily Show and other late night programs? Mind blowing stupidity? Celebrity self importance with Leftist celebrity worship?
Did you? or are you afraid of an opposing evidence which also allows you to claim plausible deniability?
The Cochrane study does not attempt to distinguish between studies measuring PPI and source control. It just tosses the apples and oranges in a blender and looks at the mix.
As a result, you get very wide confidence intervals for risk ratio and everything comes back “can’t tell”.
I’d be more interested in a meta-analysis that looks only at source control studies. That may not exist, since there are not many real world source control studies. Not anyone’s fault. Source control studies are are very difficult to do. Just Bangladesh, to my knowledge.
For vaccines, the information is better. We have prison cellmate studies, and those are pretty solid.
So your position is that we don't have studies that show that masks don't work (at least with what you believe to be any level of confidence). On the other hand, we don't have any studies that say masks do work with any more confidence than if they don't work. (I'd actually say less confidence that they do work if we put both on a scale of studies).
It seems you are OK implementing health policy without any evidence of effectiveness as long there is not what you believe to be compelling evidence that it's not effective. I don't think that is the standard that should apply, common sense tells me that is backwards.
So even if conceivably you're right about the studies, that doesn't justify use, particularly mandated use.
My position is that masks work pretty well as source control, but rather poorly as long term PPI.
The Bangladesh study is pretty solid evidence that masks work as source control. Do you know of a second study which tries to measure it?
Policy is a second question. But you need a common set of facts before you discuss policy, and we don’t have one.
Happened again
SILVER ELITE
Tell me exactly what you get from this? What secret proof are you looking for? Was masking an effective tool when dealing with the pandemic? What were the measurable mitigation effects of masking against a respiratory virus? Was there significant reduction in death/transmission? What were the socio-economic implications of forced masking?
Anyway, horse is dead,