Vaccine
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whatithink
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"trying to stop legislation on the local level that would hurt a particular business sector" is most definitely NOT "and by default the consumer". It may positively impact the consumer, or it could just as likely harm or continue to harm the consumer, but it rarely if ever is done for the consumer. I've no problem with trade orgs or dominant companies being consulted on or asked for input into legislation. God knows, our pols aren't exactly beacons of light or even beacons of dim ...
On the free speech thing, if companies asked their shareholders, i.e. the actual holders of their shares, not the board or investment houses / pension vehicles etc., then I'd buy into the 1st amendment angle, but that doesn't happen to my knowledge. So, whose speech is it, because it doesn't appear to me to represent the speech of the owners of the company. To me free speech is for people. I don't buy into the companies are people nonsense.
Particularly when its done by the Teachers Unions or the Public Utilities who both have the resources to grease palms.
whatithink
GOLD
"Particularly" is an odd word to use, 'for example' might be more appropriate. They are relatively low level.
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That's only federal giving. Nevertheless, it still has unions and some PAC 's (unrelated to corporate capitalism) prominently on your list. Look at the state and local level and check out the major funding and sponsorship for the last round of California propositions. A lot of teachers unions and other unions. I don't know the exact numbers but they were certainly major players.
With public utilities we just saw the passing of NEM 3.0 which severely hurts the consumer. Ironic that our uber-green Governor would support something that discouraged green energy. It couldn't possibly be that Public Utilities have more political capital than individual solar companies? Nah...that would make it purely political and not in the best interests of the citizens.
I'd say "particularly" is the appropriate word when it come to California.
You can't lay the lobbying issue solely at the doorstep of capitalist corporations. Based on your responses, it appears you consider "capitalism" in the pejorative, whereas I consider government in the pejorative, at least when it comes to the economy. So while we may agree on a problem, we don't agree on who to blame based on our biases and experience. I just can't make the logic leap to blame lobbying abuses solely on capitalism. The lobbying problem is a political one.
whatithink
GOLD
I consider politicians in the pejorative. I do agree that at a state level, unions & utilities have more power relatively speaking.
Conservative groups BACK Manchin plan to block 'woke' investment rule
A procedure under the Congressional Review Act could allow Republicans to get a win out of the Democratic Senate and pull back a new Labor Department rule on 'woke' investing.
Speaking of capitalism. Cha-ching.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Cashing in on Covid: Anthony Fauci is charging up to $100K per speech
The former White House Covid doctor commands between $50,000 and $100,000 for up to an hour's work, according to a listing by the agency Leading Motivational Speakers.
Desert Hound
DA
Speaking of capitalism.Speaking of capitalism. Cha-ching.
Cashing in on Covid: Anthony Fauci is charging up to $100K per speech
The former White House Covid doctor commands between $50,000 and $100,000 for up to an hour's work, according to a listing by the agency Leading Motivational Speakers.
There is a large segment that wants a universal type health care and over the decades have pointed to the UK and Canada as models to emulate. A funny thing happened on the way to gov utopia.
MSN
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This link shows up funny...but it is talking about Canada.
Trudeau Eyes Billions to Patch Canada’s Creaking Health System
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is preparing to commit billions of dollars to help shore up a strained health-care system, opening the spending taps for a service that many Canadians say isn’t working well.
www.bloomberg.com
"Pay to play and get paid"Speaking of capitalism. Cha-ching.
Cashing in on Covid: Anthony Fauci is charging up to $100K per speech
The former White House Covid doctor commands between $50,000 and $100,000 for up to an hour's work, according to a listing by the agency Leading Motivational Speakers.
whatithink
GOLD
Germany is the example to use, or France.Speaking of capitalism.
There is a large segment that wants a universal type health care and over the decades have pointed to the UK and Canada as models to emulate. A funny thing happened on the way to gov utopia.
MSN
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This link shows up funny...but it is talking about Canada.
Trudeau Eyes Billions to Patch Canada’s Creaking Health System
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is preparing to commit billions of dollars to help shore up a strained health-care system, opening the spending taps for a service that many Canadians say isn’t working well.
The Conservatives in the UK, in power for the last 12+ years have decimated the NHS and its hitting home. There are 100K+ vacancies. Pay in real terms for nurses has fallen by 20%+ over that time period. Brexit has seen an exodus of medical staff back to the EU. Medical staff train and get experience in the NHS and then move to private as it pays more. It's on life support and that's directly linked to the party in power since 2010 or so.
Private health care in the UK is also cheap as you don't use it for everyday medical care, that's what you use the NHS for. So, it's just an insurance policy. I worked in the UK for a while and received private medical insurance (as did every manager in the company) as part of my package. The taxable benefit was about $600 a year (so it cost me $200 or so). That was less than a month in the US at the time. In the years I was there, I knew of one person that used private, once. Plenty of people used the NHS, myself included.
whatithink
GOLD
I'll add to this. You can't compare private health care in the UK to the US. In the UK its supplemental, i.e. it does not cover visits to your GP, the ER, your meds, the ambulance, your dentist, the operation on your broken leg etc. and so on. If you want an elective procedure, then sure, depending on your plan, then you can get that, but the rest - nope. The premise that the UK will go the private route is fantasy land. If they went the same way as the US, then those premiums that people pay would go through the roof, increasing by many multiples. There is zero chance most people would pay that, or even that many existing people could afford that.
I suppose my point is that it would be very useful if the people who write these articles provide actual context and do a direct comparison with actual facts, and not some generalizations that say one thing on the face of it, but in reality they are just misleading at best, or purposely misleading at worse.
I don't know what the answer is, but my concern would be that our universal health care would be a even worse version of the VA. Maybe healthcare is a problem we can address after we get the resort fees down.Speaking of capitalism.
There is a large segment that wants a universal type health care and over the decades have pointed to the UK and Canada as models to emulate. A funny thing happened on the way to gov utopia.
MSN
www.msn.com
This link shows up funny...but it is talking about Canada.
Trudeau Eyes Billions to Patch Canada’s Creaking Health System
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is preparing to commit billions of dollars to help shore up a strained health-care system, opening the spending taps for a service that many Canadians say isn’t working well.
IT’S OFFICIAL: CDC Adds COVID-19 Vaccine to Routine Immunization Schedule for Children and Adolescents
ACIP recommended the use of COVID-19 vaccines for everyone as young as 6 months and older. The COVID-19 vaccine and other vaccines may be administered on the same day.
You want to go to our grooming schools? You need the jabs. Want to keep your job? You need to take all the jabs. You want to play soccer as youth for Team America? You need to be fully jabbed. You want to go to College?
Their saying now that by the time a baby today reaches 18, they will have had over 100 Jabs. To all my teacher friends. Think about what your job is making you push and "sell" for big Pharma?
ACIP recommended the use of COVID-19 vaccines for everyone as young as 6 months and older. The COVID-19 vaccine and other vaccines may be administered on the same day.
You want to go to our grooming schools? You need the jabs. Want to keep your job? You need to take all the jabs. You want to play soccer as youth for Team America? You need to be fully jabbed. You want to go to College?
Their saying now that by the time a baby today reaches 18, they will have had over 100 Jabs. To all my teacher friends. Think about what your job is making you push and "sell" for big Pharma?
Desert Hound
DA
And here Fauci in an article admits the vax for the rona isn't really effective. It is the type of infection that is the issue...much like the flu.
Read the article...and then read the article Fauci co wrote.
hotair.com
Read the article...and then read the article Fauci co wrote.
Fauci: now he tells us
What if I told you that Anthony Fauci knew all along that the COVID vaccine could not possibly preve
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kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Don't forget the other end, "A fool and his money ..."Speaking of capitalism. Cha-ching.
Cashing in on Covid: Anthony Fauci is charging up to $100K per speech
The former White House Covid doctor commands between $50,000 and $100,000 for up to an hour's work, according to a listing by the agency Leading Motivational Speakers.
And here Fauci in an article admits the vax for the rona isn't really effective. It is the type of infection that is the issue...much like the flu.
Read the article...and then read the article Fauci co wrote.
Fauci: now he tells us
What if I told you that Anthony Fauci knew all along that the COVID vaccine could not possibly preve
"read the article Fauci co wrote."
--During the COVID-19 pandemic, the rapid development and deployment of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines has saved innumerable lives and helped to achieve early partial pandemic control. --
The exact quote that crossed my mind when I saw the article. The modern equivalent of a snake oil salesman.
When you dig things up on evil, you will always find the money roots. Pay to play pays well for those who lie, cheat, steal and help kids die.
