Vaccine

On a front other than the birth rate, Europe is finally acknowledging that there is a large number of excess deaths occurring and the uk has announced an urgent look at the problem. Covid Twitter is awash in speculation: covidian Twitter says its long term damage from repeated infections and long Covid, anti Covid vax Twitter says it’s the shot causing heart issues, anti lockdown Twitter says it’s the results of people missing their screenings and health impacts of lockdown. The problem is there is wide variance in excess deaths by country and at first glance no strong correlation with Covid numbers, vax rates or rigorousness of lockdowns.
 
Grace T. said:
On a front other than the birth rate, Europe is finally acknowledging that there is a large number of excess deaths occurring and the uk has announced an urgent look at the problem. Covid Twitter is awash in speculation: covidian Twitter says its long term damage from repeated infections and long Covid, anti Covid vax Twitter says it’s the shot causing heart issues, anti lockdown Twitter says it’s the results of people missing their screenings and health impacts of lockdown. The problem is there is wide variance in excess deaths by country and at first glance no strong correlation with Covid numbers, vax rates or rigorousness of lockdowns.
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How does one get access to "covidian twitter" and "lockdown twitter"?
 
Pay walled but here's the lockdown argument

www.telegraph.co.uk

Lockdown effects feared to be killing more people than Covid

Unexplained excess deaths outstrip those from virus as medics call figures ‘terrifying’
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

The issue is it doesn't correlate. Switzerland did not have bone crushing lockdowns yet is having similar effects (Sweden's were mainly in 2021 for some reason).

Could it may be that notwithstanding the lockdowns some people were afraid of going to the doctors so avoided treatment? The vax? Long Covid?
 
Sweden wound up with lower excess death per 100K than most of Europe. Hard core lockdown/maskers Peru finishes the worst. Norway and Denmark aren't on the list but my understanding is it's somewhat less than Sweden though Norway was a no masking country. Germany which was a hard core masking country and periodic lockdowns finishes almost twice as bad as Sweden. Sweden would have finished better if it had done a better job with nursing homes (one thing BTW which Denmark got spectacularly right). One correlation seems to be obesity rates. The hard lockdown states of Australia, New Zealand and China finishes the best. And then there's Japan, which has masks border controls and a strong sickout culture, but had poor testing and leaky lockdowns. Older article but there's no correlation it seems here either beyond the strong lockdowners.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Sweden’s Covid death rate among lowest in Europe, despite avoiding strict lockdowns

New WHO figures show pandemic wrought ‘staggering toll’ of almost 15m fatalities, but harsh restrictions were not the key to beating virus
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
Grace T. said:
Sweden wound up with lower excess death per 100K than most of Europe. Hard core lockdown/maskers Peru finishes the worst. Norway and Denmark aren't on the list but my understanding is it's somewhat less than Sweden though Norway was a no masking country. Germany which was a hard core masking country and periodic lockdowns finishes almost twice as bad as Sweden. Sweden would have finished better if it had done a better job with nursing homes (one thing BTW which Denmark got spectacularly right). One correlation seems to be obesity rates. The hard lockdown states of Australia, New Zealand and China finishes the best. And then there's Japan, which has masks border controls and a strong sickout culture, but had poor testing and leaky lockdowns. Older article but there's no correlation it seems here either beyond the strong lockdowners.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Sweden’s Covid death rate among lowest in Europe, despite avoiding strict lockdowns

New WHO figures show pandemic wrought ‘staggering toll’ of almost 15m fatalities, but harsh restrictions were not the key to beating virus
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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I think dad will link something somehow to bars in order to keep on believing masks and mandates actually do/did work.
 
Pollo Elastico said:
I think dad will link something somehow to bars in order to keep on believing masks and mandates actually do/did work.
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By definition, a nightclub has a large number of unmasked people standing close to each other and shouting in a poorly ventilated space.

If you can't figure out what that means for a disease spread by aerosol particles, there isn't much I can do to help.
 
dad4 said:
You should know that Wallensky’s opinion of the mistakes and your opinion of the mistakes are not exactly the same.

She was a little more interested in creating actionable data so policy can respond more quickly.

Getting rid of vaccines and masks was not on her to-do list.
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You give her way too much credit.
 
dad4 said:
By definition, a nightclub has a large number of unmasked people standing close to each other and shouting in a poorly ventilated space.

If you can't figure out what that means for a disease spread by aerosol particles, there isn't much I can do to help.
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didn't they talk about this in nashville years ago? remember when everyone in nashville was going to die from bars and didn't?
 
Los Angeles requires youth basketball participants to wear masks, critic calls policy 'dangerous'
The City of Los Angeles Department of Recreation and Parks is requiring youth to wear masks while playing basketball

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I feel horrible for these kids. In order to ball in the City of Angels, you have to be fully jabbed to enter gym, plus you have to wear a mask at all times when you play hoops. This is insane!! On top of that, I heard a radio commercial telling all parents to fully jab their kids to start the school year off safe.
 
CDC director says it's 'frustrating' when health decisions are 'political'

100% I agree. Plus, when people lose their income over health decisions.
 
Grace T. said:
Oh crush you and your silly memes. ;)
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If you want to find a meaningful signature in excess deaths vis-a-vis covid you'll need to bracket your time frame pretty tightly. Like what people have done with India April-June 2021. Or to a lesser extent Sweden March-June, 2020. And if you want to do it in a comparative way everybody gets to pick their favorite variable and its a hot mess. For Europe summer 2022 literally. For "heat wave" I had my 9 yr old pick her favorite between the indie band Glass Animals and Martha and the Vandellas. She ultimately went with the newer stuff but she did have to think about it. That's my own little psyop.

Now on Crush's meme my impression, which could be wrong, is that the work rate of our outside influencers has fallen off a bit. There was a time, a year ago or so, when disinfo on vaccines and mis-carriages would have been immediately followed up with some kind of replacement theory thing. Like the Bronze Age Thor guy with the gold hair and beard masquerading as Adonis too sexy for his shirt talking about his staying power. Something like that. But now, nothing really. And for some reason the good guys and bad guys often now have the same AI generated face style. Hard to tell them apart that way. So I don't know. Maybe on replacement theory the whole testicle tanning thing made it so stupid that people started laughing for the wrong reasons. Or, more likely, we are now looking at the B team with respect to vaccines and the A team is off following behind the traffic on elections. A much higher value target.
 
dad4 said:
By definition, a nightclub has a large number of unmasked people standing close to each other and shouting in a poorly ventilated space.

If you can't figure out what that means for a disease spread by aerosol particles, there isn't much I can do to help.
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Beautiful at the Del Mar Race Track yesterday. Lotsa shouting there.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
If you want to find a meaningful signature in excess deaths vis-a-vis covid you'll need to bracket your time frame pretty tightly. Like what people have done with India April-June 2021. Or to a lesser extent Sweden March-June, 2020. And if you want to do it in a comparative way everybody gets to pick their favorite variable and its a hot mess. For Europe summer 2022 literally. For "heat wave" I had my 9 yr old pick her favorite between the indie band Glass Animals and Martha and the Vandellas. She ultimately went with the newer stuff but she did have to think about it. That's my own little psyop.

Now on Crush's meme my impression, which could be wrong, is that the work rate of our outside influencers has fallen off a bit. There was a time, a year ago or so, when disinfo on vaccines and mis-carriages would have been immediately followed up with some kind of replacement theory thing. Like the Bronze Age Thor guy with the gold hair and beard masquerading as Adonis too sexy for his shirt talking about his staying power. Something like that. But now, nothing really. And for some reason the good guys and bad guys often now have the same AI generated face style. Hard to tell them apart that way. So I don't know. Maybe on replacement theory the whole testicle tanning thing made it so stupid that people started laughing for the wrong reasons. Or, more likely, we are now looking at the B team with respect to vaccines and the A team is off following behind the traffic on elections. A much higher value target.
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Never mind the larger time frame of virus history while compare this pandemic to itself. Cracks me up.
 
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