Got to maintain consumer confidence. The alternative is a guaranteed recession… though those are always declared financial quarters after it starts.
Feels like a recession already.
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Got to maintain consumer confidence. The alternative is a guaranteed recession… though those are always declared financial quarters after it starts.
Feels like a recession already.
Did she do the morally right thing? Pre-vaccine, pre-therapeutic medicine… I’m fine with Brix prioritizing the health of US Citizens, if the synopsis of your reading is accurate.
Sometimes a country only has two bad choices to make when cheaters, liars, killers, bio weapons unleashed and thieves infiltrate. Today has been a big day of threats btw from people on here to me. It's really dangerous for me now so I have to leave for some time. I'm serious. Zombies!!!I might come back to check on you guys some other time. Good bye!
This is a fair position to have so long as you don’t care about subverting democracy. Trump was the elected legit rep of the people. He had a stated policy which birx worked to undermine. It’s fine to say the health care goals you agree with > democracy but then don’t complain when the other side does it too…your hands aren’t clean so no crying.
Fair critique from the process perspective. I was more focused on morally vs procedurally correct.
I’d beg to differ about defining democracy in the same way that is implied by that critique.
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You prefer politicians be in charge of health policy? . . . or perhaps the Supreme Court.
Absolutely I prefer elected politicians have final say based on experts they assemble and choose. I even accept sometimes it’s a yes minister situation. But it’s up to the elected representative to have the final say on policy. It’s democracy…guess all your complaints about trump subverting democracy was just partisan yes service.
hella no to the Supreme Court. They shouldn’t be involved in setting policy.
Neither, but the court is in its appropriate role dealing with legal dispute.
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So if the elected official is prone to ignore advice or consult “myself”?
He picked Atlas. You might think he’s wrong but he’s the elected rep and it’s his choice to make.
the deeper you dig this hole the more you convince me that the left only does lip service to democracy…what it really cares about is getting its agenda by hook or by crook because morally you think your goals are so virtuous the ends justify subverting the means
That’s the job of an informed electorate and a system of checks and balances.
The electorate is not informed. It’s sheeple susceptible to the most ludicrous propaganda on both sides. There are some rational people mostly on the center of both parties, but they are shouted down by the sheeple and their leaders are corrupted. But that’s democracy…the sheep get to decide which of the wolves they put in charge. It’s not perfect but it’s what we got and better than allowing the wolves complete control.
Executives delegate to the appointed or direct hires, 100%.
Yup. I’m with you this far in your statement.
No the main charge is she surreptitiously worked to reverse the stated goal of the administration (which was to remove Covid restrictions) by undermining it from the inside. And it’s not even a charge. She’s not only admitted to it but is proud of having done it.
Your main complaint is that she was for restrictions and you are opposed to them.
The rest is a Grace summary of someone else’s words. You have taught us that those aren’t worth much.
You’ve taught us how much you love to put words into peoples mouths
I told you what the main charge was. She subverted the policy of a democratically elected leader. It’s not even a charge. She’s proud of it…even views what she did as being heroic because she believes it saves lives.
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My concern is the increasing trend to separate ourselves physically and socially from those who believe differently. More than ever, we appear to be willing to demean and dismiss those who disagree with us on a single point. We have already seen the split of journalism based on ideological bias. If what is happening at the CDC and NIH is true - people are leaving due to "bad science" - it only increases the chances of more "bad science". Diversity of thought is not desired or promoted. I'd guess (we'll see) that many who have moved from the heavily "blue" states - NY, CA, etc. - are the more moderate ones, further reducing the diversity of thought. And, as much as we want to think science is above biases, the problem is there is no science without people and people have biases. The Atlantic article below had some interesting points about why left-wing authoritarianism was missed. The findings themselves are interesting, but I think more significantly in terms of the importance of the diversity of thought was the following.
"That psychologists have been slow to acknowledge the existence of left-wing authoritarians at all is “puzzling,” Costello and his colleagues write. But here, I would argue, is where the pronounced leftward orientation of researchers in social psychology comes in. “Academic psychology once had considerable political diversity, but has lost nearly all of it in the last 50 years,” according to a comprehensive 2014 review. Universities have long tilted to the left, but that tendency has deepened as education has become ever more highly correlated with political ideology. Whatever its origin, this political imbalance makes truth-seeking harder. Studies have repeatedly shown that investigators’ sociopolitical views influence the questions they ask. What’s more, ideologically concordant reviewers are more likely to rate abstracts and papers highly if the findings comport with their own beliefs, all else being equal."
The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left
Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.www.theatlantic.com
Reading backwards and this post is interesting. Bill Bishop's "The Big Sort", written in 2008 and therefore before the Trump political catalyst, is one of those works that was so prescient that today the idea of a divided America with the potential to be carved up into fiefdoms is like "Duh". But it is worth a read because it deals with the forces driving that segregation beneath the cable news blather of red and blue America. It is primarily a sociology book, not a political book. The politics comes along for the ride. People want to live in communities with those they feel kinship with and with those they don't fee threatened by. That, as I recall, is the basic thesis. Natural enough. After the Westward diaspora, white (largely) American is seeking to reconnect in comfortable ways and willing to move around to do it.
For the epidemiologist, especially one set upon by forces within and without, such a sorting has advantages that can be incorporated into modeling and therefore into policy. Particularly if you now have cool kid poly sci and info warfare specialists plugging in their variables. Blue American, urban, high density, receptive to C19 regulations as we (hopefully) head to an endemic form of the current winner in the viral genome contest. Red American, rural, lower density, resistant to C19 regulations. Debbie Birx came up today. Her current equivalent in the White House Covid Response Team or whatever they call it is a guy named Ashish Jha who came in of March of this year I think. The coordinator will have more of an actual impact on policy than Tony Fauci ever will-he's just there (as he himself says) to be the skunk in the room. Jha has not been mentioned before on this thread that I know but he came up in one of Crush's meme's the other day with a quote about LA considering going back to an indoor mask policy. And the quote (which was accurate) is basically administrator-speak for "Our position is here is what the science says. But we support people doing what they want on a local basis". Which is interesting.
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From the de facto leader of the trump wing
The baby boomers are the most spoiled, most self-centered, most narcissistic generation the country's ever produced.
Steve Bannon