Vaccine

The fact that the CDC says people might interpret the data in a wrong way tells you all you need to know.

I would take a strong guess that the data shows that the under 49 group has/had little issues with the disease. And due to that, that takes away the emphasis on masks, vaxx mandates, etc.

If the data went the other direction you can bet CDC would have already posted it.
This is where we need to heed Espola's cautionary words "What do they have to hide?"
 
In April 2020, none. If they had not reserved N95 and surgical masks for medical staff, they would have had a serious problem with outbreaks in hospitals. Later, lots. But you’re asking for my guess at whether people would have masked up if they had not been lied to initially. I’m really bad at that kind of guess.

Question back at you. Do you think everyone would have politely reserved N95 and surgical masks for hospitals, knowing that doing so puts their own family at higher risk? Remember, we are talking March 2020. People still believed kids are vulnerable.
Oh so the virus wasn’t spreading rampantly in April 2020? Cause here I thought we were under the extension of “2 Weeks to Flatten the Curve” to slow spread.

Government has overreached in so many areas, why not this one and follow Grace’s model above and recommend Cloth masks? That’s what our family did.
 
Interesting report from Vox on the conservative vaccine resistance. A few notes:

1. Red/blue results where pretty much all over the place and not correlated to npi responses pre vaccine.
2. red states have done significantly worse since vaccines available
3. where to put the blame? conservatives would blame the non stop lying by main stream media and elites (going back to Russia gate and continuing through COVID with masking, funny hospitalization numbers, nonsensical NPIS and the nonsterilizing nature of the vaccine). Liberals would blame Trump for minimizing the severity of the outbreak in order to keep the economy working and get himself reelected.
4. Reinforces my belief that going forward we should be focused on vaccinating those remaining individuals over 40 who haven't had it yet, but in particular vaccinating and boosting the elderly. If you are going to mandate, rather than focusing on low risk kids, it seems obvious to me the first mandate you'd want is for over 65s in nursing homes.

 
Reinforces my belief that going forward we should be focused on vaccinating those remaining individuals over 40 who haven't had it yet, but in particular vaccinating and boosting the elderly. If you are going to mandate, rather than focusing on low risk kids, it seems obvious to me the first mandate you'd want is for over 65s in nursing homes.

Never!! Which one do you recommend Grace T?
 
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Wow, gas is over $6.00 now in California Dreaming. Thanks fellas for all the great things you do. I just will have to sit this out man. Insane to look for work in these times. I love you guys and hope you see what is really going on. I pray for peace but will never get jabbed to comply to the likes of Husker. Never will I comply!!!! Can you imagine having a coach like a Husker or Coach Golden Gate or someone like Espola evaluating your player to play at the next level? You better do what they say in order to be on their team.
 
How can this be? I heard under good authority that this was theory debunked and those who promoted it were racist.
weird huh. How on earth could a novel virus with weird behavior orginate in the same area where a super duper secret and secure lab that studies c-viruses sits? How weird is that? I mean, no way it could happen - so many experts with zero interest in hiding agendas and secrets told us this was impossible.

Can't make this up- seriously. But masks that had disclaimers on boxes telling you they don't work work. But now they don't work after working so well for a few years. But they still work on humans who sit behind small desks. trumpies fault.
 
Bro, this is getting sick and dangerous trying to reason with the likes of guys like Husker, Dad, Golden Gate and Espola. No reason in them at all and when their about to lose, they go all in with the race card. After race, riots and rebels hit the streets, the Fall will come and Bill Gates will be right again, another plandemic will come, even bigger waves then before. I don;t know how long I can survive here. I'm trying to stay but man, these folks hate me and for which I stand for, which is truth and treating kids and females better then before. That is a winning platform and the women appreciate me for helping them. The kids need are help and I will be there to help when called in the future. This world is getting [ut upside down and for good reason. Its their last ditch effort and it's coming hard. False flags are going to be everywhere and it will seem like WWIII is on TV and nukes are coming next. Vax or No Vax will be a mute point because of war. These rats live in dark underground tunnels and their time is up. Look how they attack me for standing up for my dd and saying no to jab and the clan. Do you see what I see bro? I'm already SOL in the old, normal rich snob life that I guess many on here were trying to get themselves. Life style of the rich and famous is a big lie.
While the Borg Collective of Trolls you mention often supports his positions, @dad4 has never inserted race to make a point that I saw.
 
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Wow, gas is over $6.00 now in California Dreaming. Thanks fellas for all the great things you do. I just will have to sit this out man. Insane to look for work in these times. I love you guys and hope you see what is really going on. I pray for peace but will never get jabbed to comply to the likes of Husker. Never will I comply!!!! Can you imagine having a coach like a Husker or Coach Golden Gate or someone like Espola evaluating your player to play at the next level? You better do what they say in order to be on their team.
If the situation in the Ukraine gets worse, it will get higher still. This is so far in response to the futures markets pricing in what potentially might happen....if it actually happens it goes higher. The jolt would be enough to fuel the inflationary trend, and coupled with the likely reactions already announced by the Fed, we are looking at several years at stagflation. Buckle up....we've been through the easy part so far....the reckoning on a whole bunch of things (from delayed cancer diagnosis to child learning loss to the economy to what's going to happen to those slew of office workers) has only just begun.
 
In April 2020, none. If they had not reserved N95 and surgical masks for medical staff, they would have had a serious problem with outbreaks in hospitals. Later, lots. But you’re asking for my guess at whether people would have masked up if they had not been lied to initially. I’m really bad at that kind of guess.

Question back at you. Do you think everyone would have politely reserved N95 and surgical masks for hospitals, knowing that doing so puts their own family at higher risk? Remember, we are talking March 2020. People still believed kids are vulnerable.
The tap dance in you is strong..

Many things going on in APR 2020. Flatten the curve was happening, PPE was being replenished at a rapid rate. Most hospital systems ordered way more than needed. Cloth masks happened. Distilleries making hand sanitizers.

Were there shortages of masks for providers? maybe, maybe not. We'll likley never know. There were other filtration systems that were being used.

One thing is true though, lucky for us, SARS-COV-2 wasn't as deadly as it could have been.
 
The tap dance in you is strong..

Many things going on in APR 2020. Flatten the curve was happening, PPE was being replenished at a rapid rate. Most hospital systems ordered way more than needed. Cloth masks happened. Distilleries making hand sanitizers.

Were there shortages of masks for providers? maybe, maybe not. We'll likley never know. There were other filtration systems that were being used.

One thing is true though, lucky for us, SARS-COV-2 wasn't as deadly as it could have been.
I had forgotten about the distilleries.

Once there is no longer an agenda to support, history, including leftist academics, will look very unfavorably on how we handled the pandemic. How we ignored the science about who was at risk and quarantined and restricted the behaviors of low risk individuals especially kids.

Its ironic how those that promote "freedumb" on here can't recognize that they have been the selfish ones by making everyone cater to their own irrational fears. Particularly "adults" that have projected their own fears onto children.
 
1. Yes the supply chain crisis and inflation predates the Ukraine. Blaming it on the Ukraine is first rate propaganda.
2. Gas prices are spiking higher now because of the Ukraine
3. They will go even higher if real fighting breaks out.

All true at the same time.
Not really because Ukraine has zero to do with the Supply Chain crisis.
 
1. Yes the supply chain crisis and inflation predates the Ukraine. Blaming it on the Ukraine is first rate propaganda.
2. Gas prices are spiking higher now because of the Ukraine
3. They will go even higher if real fighting breaks out.

All true at the same time.
Can you explain the reasons we need to protect Ukraine besides the obvious? I'm not that well versed on Russian History.
 
The tap dance in you is strong..

Many things going on in APR 2020. Flatten the curve was happening, PPE was being replenished at a rapid rate. Most hospital systems ordered way more than needed. Cloth masks happened. Distilleries making hand sanitizers.

Were there shortages of masks for providers? maybe, maybe not. We'll likley never know. There were other filtration systems that were being used.

One thing is true though, lucky for us, SARS-COV-2 wasn't as deadly as it could have been.
We will never know if there was a mask shortage back then.

Unless, of course, we bother to remember news stories of doctors and nurses being told to re-use old masks. Or talk to hospital procurement managers. Or do a Google search.

But that's too much work, right?
 
Not really because Ukraine has zero to do with the Supply Chain crisis.

Agree particularly the good crunch out of China and electronic/chips. It's going to make certain things worse though (like the gas prices, certain rare earths, timber and [wait for it].....fertilizer.....because the US doesn't like to use human derived fertilizer we rely very heavily on cheap Russian fertilizer....food prices and shortage will be impacted for some time and the supply chain recovery will be delayed as a result)
 
We will never know if there was a mask shortage back then.

Unless, of course, we bother to remember news stories of doctors and nurses being told to re-use old masks. Or talk to hospital procurement managers. Or do a Google search.

But that's too much work, right?
We had PPE shortage because the Obama administration didn't replenish the National Stockpile for what they used. Now should Trump have done something about it, probably, but we have a rule in our house, whoever uses it, replaces it.
 
Can you explain the reasons we need to protect Ukraine besides the obvious? I'm not that well versed on Russian History.

I'll give you the pros and cons:

If we don't protect the Ukraine the argument will go that Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania will have issues too because they have Russian minorities as well. They are NATO members. If we don't stand up now, Putin will see we are unserious and invade then, at a time when nuclear protection is trigger due to the NATO charter. (Interestingly, there's a mockumentary where a British news event chronicles a ficticious Russian invasion of Estonia which ends in a global nuclear exchange....very realistic...scary stuff....I'm much more worried about this possibility than I am about climate change or even the cylons....I posted it a few months back but you can youtube google it). Putin's stated policy is that he wants to rebuild the Russian Empire and thinks it was a mistake for the soviet Union to break up (which also puts Finland and Sweden who are not NATO members in the cross hairs). The Ukrainians are a separate and distinct people with a developing culture and separate nonorthodox religion.

The cons were mostly clearly outlined by Tulsi is a recent address. The Ukraine is not a democracy....it is a kleptocracy which is corrupt and part of the reason we may be doing this is because of the corruption between Ukraine and certain US officials. The Russians have a legitimate concern about self determination. The US is not the world's police men. We gave the Russians certain assurances under the table when Germany reunited and the Soviets left eastern Europe and now NATO is being pushed deep into the Russian hinterland (near the lands where Germany pushed the Russians at Stalingrad) and how would we feel if Mexico joined the Chinese Axis and China stationed a bunch of troops on the Mexican border.
 
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