Vaccine

kickingandscreaming said:
More elitist BS from @dad4. It's a reminder of how someone can be so intelligent in one area such as mathematics and so clueless in understanding people, their motivations, and the consequence of actions.
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The fact that the CDC says people might interpret the data in a wrong way tells you all you need to know.

I would take a strong guess that the data shows that the under 49 group has/had little issues with the disease. And due to that, that takes away the emphasis on masks, vaxx mandates, etc.

If the data went the other direction you can bet CDC would have already posted it.
 
Desert Hound said:
The fact that the CDC says people might interpret the data in a wrong way tells you all you need to know.

I would take a strong guess that the data shows that the under 49 group has/had little issues with the disease. And due to that, that takes away the emphasis on masks, vaxx mandates, etc.

If the data went the other direction you can bet CDC would have already posted it.
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Life Insurance claims for that age bracket has sky rocketed. Soccer players around the world are retiring or dying after jab. That is a fact.
 
Desert Hound said:
The fact that the CDC says people might interpret the data in a wrong way tells you all you need to know.

I would take a strong guess that the data shows that the under 49 group has/had little issues with the disease. And due to that, that takes away the emphasis on masks, vaxx mandates, etc.

If the data went the other direction you can bet CDC would have already posted it.
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No matter how hard you try, you just can't do a better job of undermining trust than the CDC. Their "clueless" game is strong.
 
soccersc said:
But now they say mask don't work, even CNN doctors say wearing a cloth mask has no purpose and it is simply a face decoration. The only mask that has a chance of working are N95 mask and how many kids are wearing those to school? I'll answer that for you, very very very few!!!
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Yep. We always need to separate masking issues between adults and children. We can't extrapolate any adult mask studies to children, they're are two totally different things. Studies of children masking have come to the conclusion that masks provide "no statistically significant benefit".
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
With your stance on mask effectiveness, how many innocent lives were lost because of the CDC’s actions?
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In April 2020, none. If they had not reserved N95 and surgical masks for medical staff, they would have had a serious problem with outbreaks in hospitals. Later, lots. But you’re asking for my guess at whether people would have masked up if they had not been lied to initially. I’m really bad at that kind of guess.

Question back at you. Do you think everyone would have politely reserved N95 and surgical masks for hospitals, knowing that doing so puts their own family at higher risk? Remember, we are talking March 2020. People still believed kids are vulnerable.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
How can this be? I heard under good authority that this was theory debunked and those who promoted it were racist.
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Bro, this is getting sick and dangerous trying to reason with the likes of guys like Husker, Dad, Golden Gate and Espola. No reason in them at all and when their about to lose, they go all in with the race card. After race, riots and rebels hit the streets, the Fall will come and Bill Gates will be right again, another plandemic will come, even bigger waves then before. I don;t know how long I can survive here. I'm trying to stay but man, these folks hate me and for which I stand for, which is truth and treating kids and females better then before. That is a winning platform and the women appreciate me for helping them. The kids need are help and I will be there to help when called in the future. This world is getting [ut upside down and for good reason. Its their last ditch effort and it's coming hard. False flags are going to be everywhere and it will seem like WWIII is on TV and nukes are coming next. Vax or No Vax will be a mute point because of war. These rats live in dark underground tunnels and their time is up. Look how they attack me for standing up for my dd and saying no to jab and the clan. Do you see what I see bro? I'm already SOL in the old, normal rich snob life that I guess many on here were trying to get themselves. Life style of the rich and famous is a big lie.
 
Desert Hound said:
The fact that the CDC says people might interpret the data in a wrong way tells you all you need to know.

I would take a strong guess that the data shows that the under 49 group has/had little issues with the disease. And due to that, that takes away the emphasis on masks, vaxx mandates, etc.

If the data went the other direction you can bet CDC would have already posted it.
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This is where we need to heed Espola's cautionary words "What do they have to hide?"
 
dad4 said:
In April 2020, none. If they had not reserved N95 and surgical masks for medical staff, they would have had a serious problem with outbreaks in hospitals. Later, lots. But you’re asking for my guess at whether people would have masked up if they had not been lied to initially. I’m really bad at that kind of guess.

Question back at you. Do you think everyone would have politely reserved N95 and surgical masks for hospitals, knowing that doing so puts their own family at higher risk? Remember, we are talking March 2020. People still believed kids are vulnerable.
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Oh so the virus wasn’t spreading rampantly in April 2020? Cause here I thought we were under the extension of “2 Weeks to Flatten the Curve” to slow spread.

Government has overreached in so many areas, why not this one and follow Grace’s model above and recommend Cloth masks? That’s what our family did.
 
Interesting report from Vox on the conservative vaccine resistance. A few notes:

1. Red/blue results where pretty much all over the place and not correlated to npi responses pre vaccine.
2. red states have done significantly worse since vaccines available
3. where to put the blame? conservatives would blame the non stop lying by main stream media and elites (going back to Russia gate and continuing through COVID with masking, funny hospitalization numbers, nonsensical NPIS and the nonsterilizing nature of the vaccine). Liberals would blame Trump for minimizing the severity of the outbreak in order to keep the economy working and get himself reelected.
4. Reinforces my belief that going forward we should be focused on vaccinating those remaining individuals over 40 who haven't had it yet, but in particular vaccinating and boosting the elderly. If you are going to mandate, rather than focusing on low risk kids, it seems obvious to me the first mandate you'd want is for over 65s in nursing homes.

 
Grace T. said:
Reinforces my belief that going forward we should be focused on vaccinating those remaining individuals over 40 who haven't had it yet, but in particular vaccinating and boosting the elderly. If you are going to mandate, rather than focusing on low risk kids, it seems obvious to me the first mandate you'd want is for over 65s in nursing homes.

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Never!! Which one do you recommend Grace T?
 
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Wow, gas is over $6.00 now in California Dreaming. Thanks fellas for all the great things you do. I just will have to sit this out man. Insane to look for work in these times. I love you guys and hope you see what is really going on. I pray for peace but will never get jabbed to comply to the likes of Husker. Never will I comply!!!! Can you imagine having a coach like a Husker or Coach Golden Gate or someone like Espola evaluating your player to play at the next level? You better do what they say in order to be on their team.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
How can this be? I heard under good authority that this was theory debunked and those who promoted it were racist.
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weird huh. How on earth could a novel virus with weird behavior orginate in the same area where a super duper secret and secure lab that studies c-viruses sits? How weird is that? I mean, no way it could happen - so many experts with zero interest in hiding agendas and secrets told us this was impossible.

Can't make this up- seriously. But masks that had disclaimers on boxes telling you they don't work work. But now they don't work after working so well for a few years. But they still work on humans who sit behind small desks. trumpies fault.
 
crush said:
Bro, this is getting sick and dangerous trying to reason with the likes of guys like Husker, Dad, Golden Gate and Espola. No reason in them at all and when their about to lose, they go all in with the race card. After race, riots and rebels hit the streets, the Fall will come and Bill Gates will be right again, another plandemic will come, even bigger waves then before. I don;t know how long I can survive here. I'm trying to stay but man, these folks hate me and for which I stand for, which is truth and treating kids and females better then before. That is a winning platform and the women appreciate me for helping them. The kids need are help and I will be there to help when called in the future. This world is getting [ut upside down and for good reason. Its their last ditch effort and it's coming hard. False flags are going to be everywhere and it will seem like WWIII is on TV and nukes are coming next. Vax or No Vax will be a mute point because of war. These rats live in dark underground tunnels and their time is up. Look how they attack me for standing up for my dd and saying no to jab and the clan. Do you see what I see bro? I'm already SOL in the old, normal rich snob life that I guess many on here were trying to get themselves. Life style of the rich and famous is a big lie.
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While the Borg Collective of Trolls you mention often supports his positions, @dad4 has never inserted race to make a point that I saw.
 
crush said:
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Wow, gas is over $6.00 now in California Dreaming. Thanks fellas for all the great things you do. I just will have to sit this out man. Insane to look for work in these times. I love you guys and hope you see what is really going on. I pray for peace but will never get jabbed to comply to the likes of Husker. Never will I comply!!!! Can you imagine having a coach like a Husker or Coach Golden Gate or someone like Espola evaluating your player to play at the next level? You better do what they say in order to be on their team.
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If the situation in the Ukraine gets worse, it will get higher still. This is so far in response to the futures markets pricing in what potentially might happen....if it actually happens it goes higher. The jolt would be enough to fuel the inflationary trend, and coupled with the likely reactions already announced by the Fed, we are looking at several years at stagflation. Buckle up....we've been through the easy part so far....the reckoning on a whole bunch of things (from delayed cancer diagnosis to child learning loss to the economy to what's going to happen to those slew of office workers) has only just begun.
 
dad4 said:
In April 2020, none. If they had not reserved N95 and surgical masks for medical staff, they would have had a serious problem with outbreaks in hospitals. Later, lots. But you’re asking for my guess at whether people would have masked up if they had not been lied to initially. I’m really bad at that kind of guess.

Question back at you. Do you think everyone would have politely reserved N95 and surgical masks for hospitals, knowing that doing so puts their own family at higher risk? Remember, we are talking March 2020. People still believed kids are vulnerable.
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The tap dance in you is strong..

Many things going on in APR 2020. Flatten the curve was happening, PPE was being replenished at a rapid rate. Most hospital systems ordered way more than needed. Cloth masks happened. Distilleries making hand sanitizers.

Were there shortages of masks for providers? maybe, maybe not. We'll likley never know. There were other filtration systems that were being used.

One thing is true though, lucky for us, SARS-COV-2 wasn't as deadly as it could have been.
 
what-happened said:
The tap dance in you is strong..

Many things going on in APR 2020. Flatten the curve was happening, PPE was being replenished at a rapid rate. Most hospital systems ordered way more than needed. Cloth masks happened. Distilleries making hand sanitizers.

Were there shortages of masks for providers? maybe, maybe not. We'll likley never know. There were other filtration systems that were being used.

One thing is true though, lucky for us, SARS-COV-2 wasn't as deadly as it could have been.
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I had forgotten about the distilleries.

Once there is no longer an agenda to support, history, including leftist academics, will look very unfavorably on how we handled the pandemic. How we ignored the science about who was at risk and quarantined and restricted the behaviors of low risk individuals especially kids.

Its ironic how those that promote "freedumb" on here can't recognize that they have been the selfish ones by making everyone cater to their own irrational fears. Particularly "adults" that have projected their own fears onto children.
 
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