Vaccine

Hüsker Dü said:
Just wanted to say whatithink is a perfect moniker for an opinion site. I wish everyone in here realized that most all the content in these forums are what they think and things they pull from the internet that agree with that opinion.
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Just wanted to say I love you :)
 
whatithink said:
I don't agree with censorship, although that's not blanket as certain things, hate speech being an obvious one, should never be countenanced.

That said, these sites are designed to engage & retain users, allowing you to follow who you want and then presenting back to you like minded content / opinions. Given the various things posted on here, people are not having any difficulty finding people/opinions that they agree with, whether those opinions are accurate or not.

They are also public companies, i.e. the ownership. The leadership & the employees may allegedly be "liberal", but the ownership are the shareholders, who can get rid of the leadership if they don't perform. The company purpose is to deliver value for the shareholders. If policy decisions run counter to that and impact the bottom line, then the leadership will be in trouble.
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The end result though is like media we will have conservative and liberal social media in the future for the very reason you outline. I don't quite think people like Ben Shapiro are right and it means different movies, sports, shoe brands, or even fast food, but Seinfeld was prescient with the Poppy episode....conservatives might lean In N Out and Chick Fillet, for example.
 
Grace T. said:
The end result though is like media we will have conservative and liberal social media in the future for the very reason you outline. I don't quite think people like Ben Shapiro are right and it means different movies, sports, shoe brands, or even fast food, but Seinfeld was prescient with the Poppy episode....conservatives might lean In N Out and Chick Fillet, for example.
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'We cannot give the people the right to choose any toppings they want" -- Poppie

Is it pizza when it comes out of the oven, or when you first put your fist in the dough?
 
The San Francisco school board recall effort and result is from a mix of different things. Some frustration was from keeping schools closed. Some from the school re-naming effort. Most of the anger was from the effort to change admissions criteria to Lowell High School (which is a test based) and Collins’ old tweets about Asian Americans. Asian Americans, especially Chinese, turned out to vote on this issue because it involves education and their kids. Many Asian American parents would have been ok with the school closures and other mitigation measures. But they are not ok with policies that attack and take away opportunities for their children simply because they are high achieving. The tide is turning or had turned on the left regarding “equity” and the various policies that try to socially engineer equal outcomes. It just doesn’t work.
 
Grace T. said:
The end result though is like media we will have conservative and liberal social media in the future for the very reason you outline. I don't quite think people like Ben Shapiro are right and it means different movies, sports, shoe brands, or even fast food, but Seinfeld was prescient with the Poppy episode....conservatives might lean In N Out and Chick Fillet, for example.
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I always figured that politics is pretty niche on social media, important to a small number of users and probably not that consequential to the bottom line. That's not to say that politicians or commentators don't use them, but they are just a small part, from a revenue perspective, to those businesses.

Take T's venture, is that really looking to attract enough unique users from Facebook/Twitter or just appeal to a very small niche crowd? Twitter has something close to 200M daily users (& loses money), Facebook has nearly 2B. What are they going to lose to truthsocial? Are they even going to lose all those, i.e. will those people still go on the other platforms to then jump back and vent in an echo chamber? Facebook gives zero Fs about truthsocial, but TikTok has them scared. Google (youtube) likewise gives zero Fs. Twitter are probably interested but maybe lose <1% of their users, if even.

Censorship is not good on social mediums, but echo chambers for singular right/left viewpoints are probably worse.
 
whatithink said:
I always figured that politics is pretty niche on social media, important to a small number of users and probably not that consequential to the bottom line. That's not to say that politicians or commentators don't use them, but they are just a small part, from a revenue perspective, to those businesses.

Take T's venture, is that really looking to attract enough unique users from Facebook/Twitter or just appeal to a very small niche crowd? Twitter has something close to 200M daily users (& loses money), Facebook has nearly 2B. What are they going to lose to truthsocial? Are they even going to lose all those, i.e. will those people still go on the other platforms to then jump back and vent in an echo chamber? Facebook gives zero Fs about truthsocial, but TikTok has them scared. Google (youtube) likewise gives zero Fs. Twitter are probably interested but maybe lose <1% of their users, if even.

Censorship is not good on social mediums, but echo chambers for singular right/left viewpoints are probably worse.
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I disagree on twitter. All it takes is someone like a Ben Shapiro (who has long advocated for building up separate traunches for conservatives) to move and twitter will lose its conservative content en masse. Twitter is largely a political and cultural war cesspool anyways...people aren't there largely to follow their latest star wars news or cooking contest. The character limit makes it mostly useful to link to other sources and to get news/propaganda.

I agree with things like facebook and instagram which aren't necessarily political. The grandparents who are chatting about their favorite quilting b could care less. The social media influencers chatting about how they are riding a private jet to the latest beach concert in the bahamas don't care about the censorship either.
 
whatithink said:
I always figured that politics is pretty niche on social media, important to a small number of users and probably not that consequential to the bottom line. That's not to say that politicians or commentators don't use them, but they are just a small part, from a revenue perspective, to those businesses.

Take T's venture, is that really looking to attract enough unique users from Facebook/Twitter or just appeal to a very small niche crowd? Twitter has something close to 200M daily users (& loses money), Facebook has nearly 2B. What are they going to lose to truthsocial? Are they even going to lose all those, i.e. will those people still go on the other platforms to then jump back and vent in an echo chamber? Facebook gives zero Fs about truthsocial, but TikTok has them scared. Google (youtube) likewise gives zero Fs. Twitter are probably interested but maybe lose <1% of their users, if even.

Censorship is not good on social mediums, but echo chambers for singular right/left viewpoints are probably worse.
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Trying to call the game before it's even started is rather foolish to put it nicely.
 
Grace T. said:
I disagree on twitter. All it takes is someone like a Ben Shapiro (who has long advocated for building up separate traunches for conservatives) to move and twitter will lose its conservative content en masse. Twitter is largely a political and cultural war cesspool anyways...people aren't there largely to follow their latest star wars news or cooking contest. The character limit makes it mostly useful to link to other sources and to get news/propaganda.

I agree with things like facebook and instagram which aren't necessarily political. The grandparents who are chatting about their favorite quilting b could care less. The social media influencers chatting about how they are riding a private jet to the latest beach concert in the bahamas don't care about the censorship either.
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There may be a "a political and cultural war" going on, on Twitter, but that could also be a small subset of Twitter.

Some interesting Twitter stuff.

• Twitter by the Numbers (2022): Stats, Demographics & Fun Facts (omnicoreagency.com)
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Sounds pretty niche. I am one of those who has never gone on Twitter. Just shows that in a bubble some things can be seen as far more consequential than what the rest of us see.
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I have a Twitter account, but don't use it that much, and never for politics. The stats (linked) say 80% of Twitter users are millennials, which doesn't strike me as a group that is collectively engaged in political/culture wars, but I could be wrong or the stats could be wrong.
 
We went from 15 days to slow the spread” to…...
You’re fired if you don't take the jab …. to….
Your bank accounts are frozen if you protest against us.”

Yet somehow, we are still the conspiracy theorists.



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Grace T. said:
Hmmm....a sensible thoughtful COVID policy....who woulda thunk such a thing can actually exist?

www.theatlantic.com

The COVID Strategy America Hasn’t Really Tried

The clearest way to reduce deaths is to push to vaccinate more of the elderly—yes, still!
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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I would have to assume that the elderly know they are at the most risk. Those that have not gotten vaxxed have decided not to. That is their right. I would not mandate them to get something they don't want....

...Unless they are moving into or living in assisted living. That would then require a different calculation since they are moving into more or less a group home with lots of people who are at high risk.

But if they are independent, doing their thing on their own, it is their choice.
 
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