Vaccine
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MicPaPa
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Ah, so politics.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Are they high for flu season? They need a better standard than "last winter's peak". How about looking at the range of hospital capacity for the prior 20 flu seasons?
Also, is anyone hearing anything about initiatives to require masks during flu season when hospital capacity is below a certain level? It wouldn't surprise me to see that in LA.
EvilGoalie 21
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Papers are gonna sell papers. But there is an interesting compare/contrast in stacking up something like "peak week" for the 2017/2018 flu season in LA county (which did have a couple bad weeks as those things go, at least in how we viewed things pre covid) vs a standard joe/schmoe week on the tail end of omicron in LA county to get a sense of scale.
Table 1 here, "peak week" figures for instance: http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/docs/Flu/Season17-18/SeasonSummary.pdf.
Last week LA country covid cases/deaths: http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/data/#
I really couldn't care less about the adult indoor mask mandate although it's completely frivolous. Come talk to me when children don't have to wear masks in school. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, anyone who thinks children should be wearing masks at school is a stone cold f'ing idiot.
Children don't vote, but their parents do. We've seen the left's true colors during the pandemic. I hope they get completely smoked at midterms. I'm not normally a vengeful person but what most Dem's have done to children is completely inexcusable and I hope they get taken to the woodshed in November.
Goalie answers your question. 2016-17 had 77 flu deaths in LA county. 2017-18 had 278. 61 in the worst week.
LA county is currently averaging 72 covid deaths per day.
So, yes. High for flu season. For deaths, one day of covid is about as bad a year of a mild flu, or a week of a bad flu.
Soccer Bum 06
SILVER
Just speaking of California as I don’t know the politics of N.J.,N.Y. or other democrat run states, the Teachers Unions have been behind the continued masking of children. They have Newsom in their pocket through massive campaign donations and basically dictate to him what this state will do with children while in school. They don’t care what parents or children want or what the data or science says. Democrats need to be held accountable for their reliance on union money and be voted out one by one for not doing the right thing by our children. It is dirty politics. I just don’t understand the reason behind teachers unions wanting to muzzle our kids and why teachers don’t stand up to THEIR union and do what is right.
How many people in other professions are required to work in the same room as 30 unmasked coworkers?
Teachers already catch every single cold and flu because parents insist on sending sick kids to school. That’s enough. Don’t expect them to rise up and demand that the people in their workspace be permitted to ignore public health guidance.
1. meatpackers, warehouse workers, postal workers, soldiers, restaurant workers, and with open floor designs, even office workers.
2. it's not like the masks, particularly given the length of the school day, and particularly given the cloth masks, really do anything.
3. aren't the teachers vaccinated? aren't they protected against serious illness? We're all going to catch it so what are we delaying here?
4. Nice that you are neglecting the deaf kids, the kids with sensory issues such as ADHD or autism, or the kids with reading delays. Talk about selfishness. F those kids right?
5. Given the rise of mental health issues in the under 18 set, and the fact that this has gone on 2 years, there's a lot to be said to return some normalcy to their child hood, and facial communication is an important part of that.
If the teachers are vaccinated, what does it matter?
I thought all those workers were vaccinated (or frequently tested) and masked. Was I misinformed?
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
No, he didn't. I asked for hospitalization capacity data. If we are getting data on deaths, it should be all deaths broken down by category. In this case, simply all deaths and deaths attributed to COVID would be enough context to make the case. Data without context will invariably be misinterpreted.
Yes, you are. There is no employee mandate in California. It depends on the business and the local jursidiction (e.g., West Hollywood).
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but at least for restaurant, in the City of Los Angeles my understanding is that to eat indoors you have to vaccinated, but there is no such requirement for workers.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Total ICU suspect you could find that. Total care capacity probably harder. Existing infrastructure and procedures have been transformed considerably in the last two years.
Sure. Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. Vaccinated and boosted is more like 85% effective. The other 15% matters.
Like it or not, a lot of teachers are middle aged and overweight. They have a good reason to want to avoid covid.
And, if you want to get rid of all the fat teachers, be prepared to say goodbye to upper division STEM courses for your kid. The 58 year old spherical physics teacher may be the only one left who can teach the AP.
So then are you saying it will continue to be like this forever? Because its never going to be 100%.
There is a conflict going on, you have some dem politicians and almost all the major press organizations talking about an off ramp for kids masking
and you have the head of one of the largest teachers Union , Randi Weingarten who today said setting standards on transmission rates and vaccination rates in order to lift masking
and you have the head of one of the largest teachers Union , Randi Weingarten who today said setting standards on transmission rates and vaccination rates in order to lift masking
Everywhere I have been in San Diego County or Sacramento County, all employees were masked. The restaurant where my wife helps out her friend the owner on occasion even requires their delivery drivers to be masked.