Vaccine

dad4 said:
Our death rate is about 3X the death rate in Canada.

We had 900K deaths. If we had had Canada’s death rate, that would be 300K.
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uhh, no, not that simple. Way too many factors to efficiently cover. Some factors lean your way, others don't but certainly much more complex than the straight line you like to draw. So much more complex. But simple math equations are fun.
 
Grace T. said:
Fascinating. Explains a lot
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It is fascinating that he still thinks outside of 100k baked in everyone else was because we didn't do it right.

He still wants covid zero. He seems paranoid to be honest.

He is still essentially advocating masks, would prefer bars/restaurants and other indoor places be shut or limited.

And the most fascinating part? The world around him is basically throwing in the towel and saying yeah lets get to normal. We will live with this like we do every other disease that afflicts us. And he doesn't want to.
 
Premptive thumbs up to Watfly’s upcoming post about CA relaxing mask rules for adults while keeping mask rules at schools.
 
Grace T. said:
So much wrong with this CDC post starting with the picture with the barely out of toddlerhood (who most of Europe doesn't mask) kid wearing what is probably a counterfeit KN95 (at least it is for most people that try and buy one). At this point the CDC has completely shattered any remaining credibility it has and is just trying to drive up vaccination numbers to reach bureaucratic internal targets and justify the money spent on pharma. It's disgusting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493661419274919936
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The CDC is hilarious, especially it starts this early release article with:

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So sciency and unbiased.
 
And of course shutting stuff down, spending money we dont have is really starting to bite.

A lot of very bad consequences from following terrible covid policies.

We decimated businesses. We forced people to use savings or borrow money. Kids got screwed educationally, etc. And now? Well everything is getting rather pricey. Hurting those that can least afford it.

We did all of that in a don Quijote like quest to stop a respiratory virus. Something that a number of experts told us from the beginning we had NO CHANCE of actually stopping...and their conclusion was focus on the vulnerable...let everyone else do their thing.

The bill for these idiotic policies is going to be very large.

Wholesale inflation in the United States surged again last month, rising 9.7% from a year earlier in a sign that price pressures remain high at all levels of the economy.

Last week, the government reported that inflation at the consumer level soared over the past year at its highest rate in four decades, squeezing households, wiping out pay raises and reinforcing the Federal Reserve's decision to begin raising borrowing rates. The 7.5% price surge ranged across the economy, from food and furniture to apartment rents, airline fares and electricity.
 
soccersc said:
Once again there is the fixation, there is actually a name for it Arithmomania, often found in those with OCD. Check it out. IMO you are so fixated on certain numbers you are failing to recognize reality such as...let look JAMA leading causes of death in 2020
Covid- 345,000... Unintentional- 192,000... Influenza 53,000...Diabetes 101,000...Suicide 45,000
So numbers guy....why such laser focus on Covid? I just listed 4 other leading causes of death where people died for no good reason.
Influenza you can get vaccinated but still killed 53,000
Eating would reduce diabetes greatly but those with diabetes generally have very poor eating habits
Last year we made people stay inside and suffer and have lost 45,000 to suicides
All those can be prevented and occur to ALL ages!!!

Then we have your Covid...were 93% of those that die are over 50 and of those 50% had hypertension and 40% had Diabetes...in some cities you will find those that died of covid and are obese or have diabetes to be over 50%

You are so fixated on the numbers you are failing to realize the small subset of people this is really affecting. The media has done such a good job of creating fear and doubt that people have no idea of the truth. What about those numbers?

It is absolutely ridiculous what are government is doing, suppressing people so they can rely on the government to pull them through, so sad for all those who have fought and died for this country and our freedom

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Those fuckers with diabetes had it coming. And old people. And high risk children.
 
GoldenGate said:
Those fuckers with diabetes had it coming. And old people. And high risk children.
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Wow...so rash...nobody said they had it coming...you are kind of extreme!!! But as you would say for those who have not been vaccinated- totally avoidable!

But that is the sort of comment that I have come used to, instead of trying to fix the real problem, go to the extreme and avoid the obvious. You are very predictable and fit right in, with those that suppressing others and rely on the government because they can't think for themselves
 
what-happened said:
That's right, especially those without jabs and supplemental jabs. Def had it coming. Quit stuffing their faces with chili cheese fries...what were they thinking.
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Yes, let's do the same for anti-vaxxers/maskers! When they start begging for horse paste at the hospital door, tell those shits they're on their own. And for those douches who already got their ICU stays and vents and survived, make them go back and pay 100% of the actual costs, instead of spreading it across other insureds who don't define "freedom" as an excuse to hurt other people.
 
GoldenGate said:
Yes, let's do the same for anti-vaxxers/maskers! When they start begging for horse paste at the hospital door, tell those shits they're on their own. And for those douches who already got their ICU stays and vents and survived, make them go back and pay 100% of the actual costs, instead of spreading it across other insureds who don't define "freedom" as an excuse to hurt other people.
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"golf clap" ---have you teleported from the past?
 
dad4 said:
I told you why.

You want to draw a nice bright line. Vaccinated to the left. Previously infected to the left. No immunity to the right. Now we have neatly divided the population into those who are protected and those who chose their risk.

The real world is not that clean. About 2-2.5% of the population us immuno-compromised. Even after they get boosted, they still have one foot on each side of your line. Some people are old enough that they are vulnerable anyway. Even after you draw your neat little line, there are still millions of vulnerable people who don’t really fit on either side.

Then think about what happens to our medical system when millions of unvaccinated people get the new variant, all at the same time? When the lung specialist is working 60 hour weeks treating covid patients, how much time does a pneumonia or emphysema patient get?

It is much simpler if we all follow the advice we have been given: vaccine, mask, outdoor, distance. All of it. Not skipping the mask part because we think a twitter feed does better science than NIH.
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Fear does a number on some people and some of those people will scratch and claw at whatever they can in an attempt to prove themselves right (see id wins).
 
dad4 said:
You want FUD as an escape from responsibility. Maybe, if you throw enough sand in the air and point in enough different directions, you won’t have to face the fact that you’ve been advocating for actions and policies which resulted in a lot of deaths.

There is plenty of reason to believe that deaths in the US were far higher than was necessary. Birx was even harsher than I am. She went on record with the claim that the first 100K deaths were baked in, and everything after that was preventable.

So, yes. The anti-mask, anti-vaccine, pro-indoor recreation movement resulted in a lot of deaths. And 600,000 is a reasonable estimate.
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I just re-read this..oh my..anit mask and anti vaccine, pro indoor = 600K dead? Any wiggle room in their for other stuff? Or is the straight line done in 50 font?

How can you be so sure? Are you down with the bangladesh mask study? They were soooo sure. How about pharma's intial vaccine confidence?

Anyway, plenty of blame to go around - good thing for you SCC has prevalence of good genes, which isn't a bad thing.
 
dad4 said:
It is much simpler if we all follow the advice we have been given: vaccine, mask, outdoor, distance. All of it. Not skipping the mask part because we think a twitter feed does better science than NIH.
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depends on the twitter feed. I bet you are down with the CDC twitter feed.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Fear does a number on some people and some of those people will scratch and claw at whatever they can in an attempt to prove themselves right (see id wins).
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perfect 10. bringing up fear with the most fearful guy on these forums, and then saying that we on team reality are the fearful ones. excellent. far better comedy than anything espola has produced recently
 
soccersc said:
Wow...so rash...nobody said they had it coming...you are kind of extreme!!! But as you would say for those who have not been vaccinated- totally avoidable!

But that is the sort of comment that I have come used to, instead of trying to fix the real problem, go to the extreme and avoid the obvious. You are very predictable and fit right in, with those that suppressing others and rely on the government because they can't think for themselves
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Ah, did you do your own research? Are you a free thinker like these Herman Cain Award winning morons?

Update: this scared and confused woman thought she was a free-thinker. Unfortunately she won’t get a chance to learn a lesson from covid. Her friend narrates her health spiral. : HermanCainAward (reddit.com)
Former co-worker and free thinker learns the hard way… Apparently the only way he knew how to learn, that COVID was more than he expected. : HermanCainAward (reddit.com)
Dale was an anti-mask, anti-vax, “free thinker”, who did his own research up until the end… please don’t be like Dale. : HermanCainAward (reddit.com)
10 hours a day, every day, Ticky did her own research & asked the hard questions. Flagged C-19 as a concern in early Feb 2020. Shared her research results. Real world application of said research resulted in her recent death. Oh, not a fan of the vax, either. [missed redacts] : HermanCainAward (reddit.com)
Blue loved Kyle Rittenhouse, Trump, Candace Owens and online Solitaire. Blue hated Biden, gas prices, vaccines, and critical thinking. HCA pending officially but she's on her way out. Shit posting to the very end. : HermanCainAward (reddit.com)
 
what-happened said:
depends on the twitter feed. I bet you are down with the CDC twitter feed.
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Not really. The 140 character limit steers everyone toward oversimplification.

Even if you get the CDC feed, learning science through Twitter is like being a music critic who wears ear muffs. You're missing a lot.
 
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