Vaccine

watfly said:
Only cowards would mask children!
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Go deeper bro. You're getting warmer and I like that. You love kids and the kids appreciate that, especially the ones born in foster care or worse. We will need to teach the kids that mankind can love and treat others with respect and not as pawns or worse, human you know what. Poor kids were taught to fear so many things in grade school the last three years or so. Love not fear. No compassion for others, no grace for you. We will find out that some people were born into some evil stuff that were forced to do things that would make your hair on your back go up. I told you and a few others on PM what this will come down to. The kids!!! Love you man and keep standing for the kids, for the kids sakes!!!
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Hahaha! Still using masks and vaccines in the same breath. Let me remind you that Wilt Chamberlain and my dad combined to score 100 points in a game on 3/2/1962.
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It’s not just the vaccine. The US per capita death rate in 2020 was higher than Canada’s, and that has nothing to do with vaccine usage.

Put another way, your dad carried the team to victory even when Wilt was out with a knee injury. Maybe he is better at hoops than you thought.
 
dad4 said:
It’s not just the vaccine. The US per capita death rate in 2020 was higher than Canada’s, and that has nothing to do with vaccine usage.

Put another way, your dad carried the team to victory even when Wilt was out with a knee injury. Maybe he is better at hoops than you thought.
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You just don't give up. The US was/is always destined to have higher mortality rates than peer countries. Doesn't really matter what you do, unless you cut out pepsi, french fries, donuts, joo joo beans, etc.

I admire (kinda) your desire to 100% protect everyone walking the streets in this country. Unfortunately that wasn't never going to be an achievable end state. What we should have done (as most smart health experts have been advocating since this all began) was to focus on the most vulnerable. People

A nuanced approach to public health was thrown out the window years ago, with plenty of blame to go around.
 
Grace T. said:
p.s. Russia has been one of the worst in both masking and vaccine uptick. My son follows "Bald and Bankrupt" religiously on youtube. Not a Russian mask to be seen.

Supposedly attendees at the superbowl were vaxxed or tested. Reports of checks though were spotty at best.
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“Reports”? Do tell.
 
Grace T. said:
How about Canada which dad 4 was tossing up?

We can make these comparisons and distinguish them all day....it's literally never ending.
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Which is why it is important to make valid comparisons, otherwise it either useless or can be used to drive misinformation. Again, since we see the per 100K so frequently, the questions becomes who are the 100K that are being compared, and is it a meaningful comparison. on this thread I seem to remember a link to an economist who chased their tail for 3000 words or so wrapping their head around the idea that normalization can be used to reveal or it can be used to obscure.
 
HAPPENING NOW: If you are Canadian and you support the truckers and the government finds out about it they can shut down your bank accounts without a court order EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Which is why it is important to make valid comparisons, otherwise it either useless or can be used to drive misinformation. Again, since we see the per 100K so frequently, the questions becomes who are the 100K that are being compared, and is it a meaningful comparison. on this thread I seem to remember a link to an economist who chased their tail for 3000 words or so wrapping their head around the idea that normalization can be used to reveal or it can be used to obscure.
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Careful. My Orwellian translator is blinking that "valid" might mean "that I agree with" or that uses the "variables I agree with".

My main purpose was to show that dad4's Canada comparison, like most of them that are done, are ridiculous. If we are talking cases, the world is pretty much over a long enough time horizon doing to wind up in the same place. If we are talking deaths, it's the same with a handful of distinguishing characteristics including vaccine uptake, population age, obesity, and how hard you got hit before vaccines became widely available Everything else is noise.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Flawed comparison, just a political axe grinder. Testing density CA vs USA average? And take a peak at US average population density vs CA.
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I could compare CA to low density states in the north of the US. Sound fair?

Perhaps MT, ND, SD, MN, AK, WI, and MI.

I won't be mean and saddle you with solid blue states like WA and ME. They'd ruin your average.
 
dad4 said:
I could compare CA to low density states in the north of the US. Sound fair?

Perhaps MT, ND, SD, MN, AK, WI, and MI.

I won't be mean and saddle you with solid blue states like WA and ME. They'd ruin your average.
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That is along the lines of why the original comparison in the tweet Grace linked is likely flawed and simply done for effect. US population density look up is 90 something mi(2) whereas CA is 250 mi(2). Testing rate per 100K, how does that compare? Age distribution (lots of the better rate comparisons are age adjusted anymore). Etc. You could pick states that are probably closer to being an orange to an orange on basic population criteria. But it is still comparing data sets that likely differ in unpredictable ways. so the best thing short of random sampling is try and get a dataset for one group likely to share a lot in common and compare on a variable. That's pretty easy to do with something like vaxx status in a city and how do cases bin, for instance, at least in principle. But I'm guessing it's gets trickier with NPI since if I remember that was the initial thing.
 
what-happened said:
You just don't give up. The US was/is always destined to have higher mortality rates than peer countries. Doesn't really matter what you do, unless you cut out pepsi, french fries, donuts, joo joo beans, etc.

I admire (kinda) your desire to 100% protect everyone walking the streets in this country. Unfortunately that wasn't never going to be an achievable end state. What we should have done (as most smart health experts have been advocating since this all began) was to focus on the most vulnerable. People

A nuanced approach to public health was thrown out the window years ago, with plenty of blame to go around.
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Your theory is that Canada doesn’t have unhealthy food?

I’ll bet you a Molson and a bowl of poutine that they have some.
 
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