Vaccine

NJ 3-year-old kicked out of speech therapy due to mask mandates: 'Catastrophic moral crime'
The boy's mother was told, 'If you don't put a mask on your son, we can't provide services' — she tells Fox News Digital exactly what happened

Poor little guy and his mom. I pray this can end soon fellas. Masking the kids and using them as pawns is cruel and will be dealt with severely. The sad TRUTH, this is just the tip of the pure evil spear of what these monsters have done to our children. I tried to warn you guys but most just mock me. Karma is coming and those who abuse kids will have custom millstone all made out for them.
 
The 180 degree turn over the past month is very interesting. Polling is terrible for the dems. Now they want to change the calculus.

One of the things the Biden admin wants to do is get accurate numbers from hospitals. This idea was talked about early on and dismissed as fringe right. Today? Good idea. It was a good idea way back when.

After 2 yrs they are admitting that they have been using wrong info, and that info has been driving BAD policy. This was pointed out long ago.


A task force comprised of scientists and data specialists at the Department of Health and Human Services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are working with hospitals nationwide to improve Covid-19 reporting. The group is asking hospitals to report numbers of patients who go to the facility because they have Covid-19 and separate those from individuals who go in for other reasons and test positive after being admitted, the two officials said.

The administration’s goal is to get a more accurate sense of Covid-19’s impact across the country and whether the virus is causing severe disease. Senior Biden health officials have increasingly relied on hospitalization numbers, rather than case counts, to determine how to respond to the virus as well as the efficacy of the vaccines. Lower hospitalization rates could inform the administration’s thinking on public health measures such as masking. More accurate Covid-19 numbers also could provide a better picture of the strain on hospitals and which resources they might need during surges.

www.politico.com

Biden officials trying to recalculate U.S. Covid-19 hospitalizations

The administration’s goal is to get a more accurate sense of Covid’s impact across the country.
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Desert Hound said:
The 180 degree turn over the past month is very interesting. Polling is terrible for the dems. Now they want to change the calculus.

One of the things the Biden admin wants to do is get accurate numbers from hospitals. This idea was talked about early on and dismissed as fringe right. Today? Good idea. It was a good idea way back when.

After 2 yrs they are admitting that they have been using wrong info, and that info has been driving BAD policy. This was pointed out long ago.


A task force comprised of scientists and data specialists at the Department of Health and Human Services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are working with hospitals nationwide to improve Covid-19 reporting. The group is asking hospitals to report numbers of patients who go to the facility because they have Covid-19 and separate those from individuals who go in for other reasons and test positive after being admitted, the two officials said.

The administration’s goal is to get a more accurate sense of Covid-19’s impact across the country and whether the virus is causing severe disease. Senior Biden health officials have increasingly relied on hospitalization numbers, rather than case counts, to determine how to respond to the virus as well as the efficacy of the vaccines. Lower hospitalization rates could inform the administration’s thinking on public health measures such as masking. More accurate Covid-19 numbers also could provide a better picture of the strain on hospitals and which resources they might need during surges.

www.politico.com

Biden officials trying to recalculate U.S. Covid-19 hospitalizations

The administration’s goal is to get a more accurate sense of Covid’s impact across the country.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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Great reporting on the facts Hound.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
How much earlier? My thought would be that an unvaccinated person is less likely to test than a vaccinated person and will only test after symptoms become reasonably severe while those who are vaccinated are likely to test as soon as they have mild symptoms. Although, I can't imagine it would push things out much more than a week, if that. I have to wonder if the testing of asymptomatic people is creating some strange results considering you can test positive weeks after you have gotten over the virus.
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Vax cases are peaking a week or so before non vax cases. Cases per capita. Not test positivity.

It isn’t a bias in who gets tested. That could make cases lower for the non-testing group, but the effect would be the same every day. The peak would drop, but it wouldn’t move left or right.

I’m wondering if the vax subgroup is developing more immunity than we would expect from case counts. That is, is it common for vaccinated people get enough exposure to trigger an immune response, but not enough to develop a case.
 
dad4 said:
Vax cases are peaking a week or so before non vax cases. Cases per capita. Not test positivity.

It isn’t a bias in who gets tested. That could make cases lower for the non-testing group, but the effect would be the same every day. The peak would drop, but it wouldn’t move left or right.

I’m wondering if the vax subgroup is developing more immunity than we would expect from case counts. That is, is it common for vaccinated people get enough exposure to trigger an immune response, but not enough to develop a case.
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I wonder if there is a correlation to overall vaccination rates. Where I live, they're peaking right around the same time.
 
dad4 said:
Vax cases are peaking a week or so before non vax cases. Cases per capita. Not test positivity.

It isn’t a bias in who gets tested. That could make cases lower for the non-testing group, but the effect would be the same every day. The peak would drop, but it wouldn’t move left or right.

I’m wondering if the vax subgroup is developing more immunity than we would expect from case counts. That is, is it common for vaccinated people get enough exposure to trigger an immune response, but not enough to develop a case.
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So how do you adjust for those who took IN Home tests?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Are you fat-shaming the obese? Where’s their freedom? Is there a body type that should be seen as ideal? Maybe we could start youth clubs to promote such ideas and to groom out the undesirables that may hinder our great American destiny! Eh Jojo?
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Would love to do a word-association test with you leftist morons.
 
This gets back to LONG TERM STUDIES.

We are still learning stuff.

Now they are thinking of extending the time period between shots to minimize heart issues.

This amongst many reasons is why you don't mandate a vaxx. This is why you don't mandate the young who have no risk to take a vaxx.

www.breitbart.com

CDC Considers Upping Time Between Shots to Cut Risk of Heart Issues

The CDC is weighing changes to vaccine guidance to increase the time between doses due to the risk of heart inflammation.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
 
dad4 said:
Vax cases are peaking a week or so before non vax cases. Cases per capita. Not test positivity.

It isn’t a bias in who gets tested. That could make cases lower for the non-testing group, but the effect would be the same every day. The peak would drop, but it wouldn’t move left or right.

I’m wondering if the vax subgroup is developing more immunity than we would expect from case counts. That is, is it common for vaccinated people get enough exposure to trigger an immune response, but not enough to develop a case.
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I don't believe you understood my point. Specifically, I believe that those that don't get vaccinated are much less prone to take a test unless their symptoms are more severe. If they expect a "bad cold" and get one, why test? The only time they'd test is if they went to the doctor after it got bad enough for them to seek treatment. If one group (vaxed) is getting a test when they get a mild sore throat, cough or sneezing or even before they have symptoms and another isn't getting tested until they are bed-ridden the peak will be the difference in the time the symptoms present themselves and the time they are severe.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I don't believe you understood my point. Specifically, I believe that those that don't get vaccinated are much less prone to take a test unless their symptoms are more severe. If they expect a "bad cold" and get one, why test? The only time they'd test is if they went to the doctor after it got bad enough for them to seek treatment. If one group (vaxed) is getting a test when they get a mild sore throat, cough or sneezing or even before they have symptoms and another isn't getting tested until they are bed-ridden the peak will be the difference in the time the symptoms present themselves and the time they are severe.
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You are 100% correct! @dad4 knows what you are talking about, but all he has left to back his worry is the case counts. I've already explained to him how inaccurate case counts are, how vaccinated probably get tested less because many jobs make unvaccinated test, but he has no answers for any of it...he just says look at the data. I would also argue with his 6:1 ratio...How can @dad4 know if there are vaccinated people who have minimal symptoms that go out and infect unvaccinated...the vaccinated never test because they just had a sore throat, but meantime they have been going around spreading it to every person in the area. There is a reason the spike was so high this year with 70-80 percent of the population vaccinated, because the vaccinated went out and spread it.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I don't believe you understood my point. Specifically, I believe that those that don't get vaccinated are much less prone to take a test unless their symptoms are more severe. If they expect a "bad cold" and get one, why test? The only time they'd test is if they went to the doctor after it got bad enough for them to seek treatment. If one group (vaxed) is getting a test when they get a mild sore throat, cough or sneezing or even before they have symptoms and another isn't getting tested until they are bed-ridden the peak will be the difference in the time the symptoms present themselves and the time they are severe.
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My wife won't even let the pros take her temp with that thing you put on the third eye. Third eye is everything. I wake up every morning and work my root chakra to my heart. Once I receive, I take it all to the third eye. The things I'm seeing will blow you away. This is all new to me. I know why I came now, I came to help the oppressed, the fatherless and those who seek a higher calling. I was just pissed off and took on the beast all by myself and felt alone and scared. It's all about love and not revenge. Fear is where dad is at and the two sides fight. Remember, where two fight, no one is right. I know one guy who cheated so much he left his family and no one has seen him for a month now. It sucks.
 
dad4 said:
Next question?

I am not convinced you got the first one correct.
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Fairly certain I nailed the obvious question.

What is it about the testing itself that would explain the difference?

dad4 said:
You’re not going to get there by starting with the political conclusion and back filling the logic.

The question is real. Why are vax case rates peaking earlier?
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Not a political starting point. Though for someone who has such a strong distaste of others marking conclusions on your behalf, this was a bit of a jump.

I agree the question is real. If there is an anomaly in the test results, shouldn’t one start at the testing when seeking a potential cause. Aka, applying the Principle of Parsimony?
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Sliver....which population? NYC? Something like 2-3 million cases in a city of 8-9 million. Maybe that counts as a sliver, but in that case you should not get first dibs on the pie at Thanksgiving.
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I don’t think the 15% slice of the pie (unvaccinated population) would disqualify one from dibs at Thanksgiving. After all that’s about 6 slices per pie. How many pieces do you cut yours into?
 
N00B said:
Fairly certain I nailed the obvious question.

What is it about the testing itself that would explain the difference?



Not a political starting point. Though for someone who has such a strong distaste of others marking conclusions on your behalf, this was a bit of a jump.

I agree the question is real. If there is an anomaly in the test results, shouldn’t one start at the testing when seeking a potential cause. Aka, applying the Principle of Parsimony?
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I know you think you got it right.

But your explanation doesn’t work. Suppose vaccinated people test mostly at home, and that lab tests only catch 20% of all cases among vaccinated folks.

That would mean the reported case maximum is 1/5 of the actual max level. But it would be on the same day.

So, no. I don’t think at home testing can explain why vaccinated case peak is occurring earlier than unvax.
 
dad4 said:
Why would in home tests move the date of peak cases?
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Yeah the x axis vs y axis parts of this are getting all sort of mixed up in a bucket. Anyway, another thing you could do is to normalize the data to total cases rather than total vaxx or unvaxx. That might have two effects. First, it would be a different approach to determining if the peak time for vaxx vs unvaxx cases was truly shifted in the overall wave profile relative to unvaxx, which, as I recall, was your interest. Second, since NYC (I assume we are still talking about this data) is heavy vaxx you could then plot the data as a function of total cases. Maybe get something like 2/3 total cases in vaxxed people, express it as per 100K, and graph it that way. Upload. Then, horrible mistake, vaxx really does suck. And then I'm betting the (actually kind of interesting) discussion on testing proclivities and methodologies would fade away. NYC data is all available as excel or csv download. If I get some time later today might do that. might be fun. Too bad LA country doesn't appear to break down cases by vaxx status, at least that ive seen.
 
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