Vaccine

[thirteenknots]

Which chart is that?

Adam Espola Schiff workin on a snotty retort.

 

[what-happened]

From a political point of view he hasn't really done his boss any favors. They sort of assured him and he assured the country that it would be pretty much over last summer. But now not only are we on triple vaxxed (and people who are complied are still getting sick), but we also have school/sport shut downs around the country, still masking (only now they are trying to put kids into N95s), still have shortages, still have inflation, still have hospital problems, have testing shortages (after 2 years!) and more people than ever are getting it (after having been worked up into a fear frenzy about wanting to avoid the virus). So you have all this po'd people who did what they were supposed to and still got sick AND are still being punished for it. They tried to throw the unvaxxed under the bus for that, but when even the triple vaxxed are getting sick, that's a hard sell except to all but the hardest of COVID diehards.

The reality is there wasn't much Biden could have done (other than controlled his party on schools....the white house still hasn't denounced the Chicago Teacher's Union despite being asked the question a few times now) and history would have played out the same way. But the messaging has boxed Biden in. They sold the public zero COVID when from day 1 they should have just said it wasn't going away. Yayaya....you can say how could they have known about Delta and Omicron....some of us here knew and called it down to the regions involved.

Ironically, Biden is going to get hoisted on his own petard for embracing vaccines developed under the Trump admin and trying to claim the credit. He would have been better off politically if he had called it a massive failure of the Trump vax. Someone is going to get tarred for this....the situation politically requires a scapegoat....time to open the betting pools on Biden, Walensky or Fauci (my money is the CDC director gets pilloried...Fauci is way too savvy having survived too many strengths and Biden's handlers won't let it be him).

He's essentially turned into a clown. How much funding did the NIH grant to natural immunity research, repurposed drug research, etc. Plenty of people at the FDA have quit over procedures. Who came up with the idea that the vaccine dosing should be done in 3-4 week intervals? Plenty of opposition to that idea....It's joke really. Pharma CEOs dictating dosing?

he will eventually fade into obscurity, remembered as the guy who could have have helped.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

Post the link to the claim of 15%.

My bet is you're misinterpreting the study again.

Kind of a tempest in a teapot but here is the VE omicron data for UK again. BNT162B2 = Pfizer. 2 dose regime wih Pfizer booster yields ~50% VE after 10 weeks. Without booster the 2 dose regime drops to ~15% VE after 20 weeks. Don't know if that is the data under dispute.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

He's essentially turned into a clown. How much funding did the NIH grant to natural immunity research, repurposed drug research, etc. Plenty of people at the FDA have quit over procedures. Who came up with the idea that the vaccine dosing should be done in 3-4 week intervals? Plenty of opposition to that idea....It's joke really. Pharma CEOs dictating dosing?

he will eventually fade into obscurity, remembered as the guy who could have have helped.

Well, in terms of repurposing drugs there is a very large effort funded through NIH. There are at least two reasons. One is that human genome and sequencing projects have not turned up obvious drug candidates for many diseases to which a small molecule lock and key fit can be found. The second is that for a pharma company repurposing something with prior FDA approval is much cheaper.

Our Impact on Drug Discovery and Development | National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences

Our research teams develop and apply cutting-edge approaches that speed therapeutic solutions for unmet health needs.

ncats.nih.gov

 

[Kicker 2.0]

Bite hard on this logic Kicker 2.0. I am 100% against abortion and I never have rhetoric on this subject. Keep hitting lower buddy. I got balls of steel. I'm glad your back to be honest. I want everyone to have this on record: I will not walk away and turn my back when I see you at the fields. In fact, I will stay to my left side with plenty of room and I will not say a word to you. I will only stare at you in your eyes as I walk by. That is it. Anything else that happens is on you. Wow kicker, you went low today but my balls are made of steel....lol!!!

How is that Low? I just needed clarity.
Keep playing the marter.

 

[Kicker 2.0]

Who did they work for?

Exactly….kinda makes you wonder who the politicians are working for?

 

[Desert Hound]

Private sector CEO they prosecute.

When in government, they let you step down with your pension intact.

Fed Vice Chair Clarida to step down early following scrutiny over his trades during pandemic

Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Richard Clarida said Monday he will be leaving his post with just a few weeks left on his term.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Desert Hound]

Columnist for the LA Times.

Was anti vaxxed at first. Now?

Your mainstream press at work.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Columnist for the LA Times.

Was anti vaxxed at first. Now?

Your mainstream press at work.

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These aren't the journalists you're looking for.
- @dad4

 

[what-happened]

Well, in terms of repurposing drugs there is a very large effort funded through NIH. There are at least two reasons. One is that human genome and sequencing projects have not turned up obvious drug candidates for many diseases to which a small molecule lock and key fit can be found. The second is that for a pharma company repurposing something with prior FDA approval is much cheaper.

Our Impact on Drug Discovery and Development | National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences

Our research teams develop and apply cutting-edge approaches that speed therapeutic solutions for unmet health needs.

ncats.nih.gov

April 2021 is very late in the game to get serious about funding this type of research. Many did this on their own. Fluvoxamin comes to mind. There are other examples out there that showed promise. There is more coordinated and resourced effort underway now, with the NIH fully on board. The HCQ debacle may have muted more robust efforts to repurpose existing, safe drugs for early treatment.

 

[dad4]

It’s in the chart posted above. Moderna was higher. Not sure if the 10 week figure is 15% or 25% (can’t recall which is why I said iirc) but that was at the limit of the time period boosters tracked at it was declining. It’s not 50%. You know it. Just fess up and say you were using an exaggerated talking point (we all do it…you always accuse others of doing it….pot kettle). Otherwise please post a finding that says 10+ weeks out Pfizer remains at 50% efficiency (here’s a hint: you can find one for moderna but also declining).

I think evil goalie found it.

Mostly, I was trying to find an analogy to explain how weak individual protection can add up to a meaningful community-wide effect. The 20 week pfizer booster is 50%, but that is just a coincidence. Nothing in the thought experiment requires that all the coins be fair.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

I think evil goalie found it.

Mostly, I was trying to find an analogy to explain how weak individual protection can add up to a meaningful community-wide effect. The 20 week pfizer booster is 50%, but that is just a coincidence. Nothing in the thought experiment requires that all the coins be fair.

If I understand it correctly, the R number is just the common ratio defining the geometric progression of infection. I may be off on that, but I think that is right. Let omicron R=10. Assume a 100% vaxxed large population where each individual has an equivalent risk. If VE is 15%, Re=8.5. If VE is 50%, Re = 5. Running such a simple model over five infection cycles yields the numbers below. I don't know if that is the thought experiment you had in mind.

R10: 1,10,100, 1000, 10,000 total infections.
R8.5: 1, 9, 72, 614, 5220 total infections.
R5: 1, 5, 25, 125, 625 total infections.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Exactly….kinda makes you wonder who the politicians are working for?

The highest bidder in most cases and the ones with any integrity are labeled crazy, socialist (they mean communist but are aware most people don’t know the difference) or anti-American.

 

[Ellejustus]

"Dr. Liar, Dr. Liar, please report to ICU." Dr. F, Dr. Fraud is sure one snake oil salesman. Wowza! In Lies We Trust!

 

[Ellejustus]

 

[Ellejustus]

 

[Ellejustus]

Dr. F & the boss lady over at CDC have a meeting today with the Senate @10am. Get some popcorn out.......

 

[Desert Hound]

So they are finally getting around to admitting that surgical masks do not work vis a vis respiratory viruses.

The agency will likely advise people opt for the highly protective N95 or KN95 masks worn by healthcare personnel, if they can do so consistently, the newspaper reported, citing an official close to the deliberations.

The CDC guidance is expected to say that if people can "tolerate wearing a KN95 or N95 mask all day, you should," the report said.

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Of course there is the caveat...IF someone can wear a N95 all day. We know they are only designed for a very short period of time if fitted correctly (big if) because they are very uncomfortable.

U.S. CDC may recommend better masks against Omicron - Washington Post

The agency will likely advise people opt for the highly protective N95 or KN95 masks worn by healthcare personnel, if they can do so consistently, the newspaper reported, citing an official close to the deliberations. The CDC guidance is expected to say that if people can "tolerate wearing a...

news.yahoo.com

And as a reminder just a few years ago the CDC in their description of surgical masks said they are ineffective vs small particles and are not designed to be used for respiratory viruses. Note the category FILTRATION below.

 

[dad4]

So they are finally getting around to admitting that surgical masks do not work vis a vis respiratory viruses.

The agency will likely advise people opt for the highly protective N95 or KN95 masks worn by healthcare personnel, if they can do so consistently, the newspaper reported, citing an official close to the deliberations.

The CDC guidance is expected to say that if people can "tolerate wearing a KN95 or N95 mask all day, you should," the report said.

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Of course there is the caveat...IF someone can wear a N95 all day. We know they are only designed for a very short period of time if fitted correctly (big if) because they are very uncomfortable.

U.S. CDC may recommend better masks against Omicron - Washington Post

The agency will likely advise people opt for the highly protective N95 or KN95 masks worn by healthcare personnel, if they can do so consistently, the newspaper reported, citing an official close to the deliberations. The CDC guidance is expected to say that if people can "tolerate wearing a...

news.yahoo.com

And as a reminder just a few years ago the CDC in their description of surgical masks said they are ineffective vs small particles and are not designed to be used for respiratory viruses. Note the category FILTRATION below.

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No, that’s not what they are saying.

But glad to hear you’re going to start wearing your N95.

 

[Ellejustus]

Two mask dance and let's get the kids shot........