Vaccine

[Grace T.]

Schools in Newark and some in New York City join the delayed opening list. The reaction among parents is growing. There’s a vocal group of parents and teachers demanding the schools go remote and there’s another thats is adamantly opposed. The biggest political obstacle and the thing being used to hang the d politicians are that the bars and restaurants are packed but they are closing schools first. Fact that this is also happening Midwest (and not just New England/nyc/west coast) is going to have huge political implications for the ds even in districts that don’t close but are nearby those that do. It’s the Disneyland rule corollary: you can’t close the schools if you have bars and restaurants open.

here in Los Angeles no one (not even the la times story covering it) has been able to produce what’s on the second page of the la county letter other than the metric for School:sports shut down is 3000 hospitalizations per day. La cases now exceed last years winter peak despite the Los Angeles mask mandates and in fact exceed the oc.

Seattle joins the list. Short pause for testing and mask upgrades.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Assume 1 person came down with it in transit (possible they caught it on way through South Africa even though they quarantined). That’s a 66% failure rate for the boosters. A 66% failure rate means the vaccine boosters are doing substantial nothing to slow the spread now with omicron. Mandates are worthless at this point. That’s case over. QED.

If only they were all Korean and/or Mormons.

 

[Grace T.]

You seem to have forgotten that the 1918 flu killed more people than the great war.

Yes, it was fitting. And apparently fitting that you missed it. Zounds! What a poor historian you are!

I saw on Twitter the other day a newspaper cartoon from 1922 showing father new year hoping the baby new year would finally reach a return to normalcy. That wasn’t all flu…it’s also the demobilization, rationing, Russian civil war, scandals of the us admin. But I still find it interesting that while wwi lives on in the consciousness, the flu epidemic gets memory holed and lost in the midst of the roaring 20s which was already taking off by 1921. I wonder why? Maybe the Great Depression was just so much more traumatic that it wiped it from memory coupled with prohibition? It’s odd though that they could have memory holed it so quickly despite the number of people that died. While I agree they would have been thrilled with vaccines, they also seemed to have a que sera sera moment.

in any case the phrase you are looking for is beastly. As in “it’s just positively beastly”

 

[dad4]

No reason to act surprised. The models predicted a sharp peak of somewhat milder cases. We are seeing exactly that.

We should have a couple more doublings left before peak. Not sure what that means for hospitals, but I wouldn’t take up any dangerous sports for another 3 weeks or so. They might be a little slow to patch you back up.

 

[espola]

I saw on Twitter the other day a newspaper cartoon from 1922 showing father new year hoping the baby new year would finally reach a return to normalcy. That wasn’t all flu…it’s also the demobilization, rationing, Russian civil war, scandals of the us admin. But I still find it interesting that while wwi lives on in the consciousness, the flu epidemic gets memory holed and lost in the midst of the roaring 20s which was already taking off by 1921. I wonder why? Maybe the Great Depression was just so much more traumatic that it wiped it from memory coupled with prohibition? It’s odd though that they could have memory holed it so quickly despite the number of people that died. While I agree they would have been thrilled with vaccines, they also seemed to have a que sera sera moment.

in any case the phrase you are looking for is beastly. As in “it’s just positively beastly”

Memory holed? Speak for yourself.

 

[Grace T.]

Memory holed? Speak for yourself.

Yeah I forget you were around back then. Most of us didn’t have the first hand experience and had to rely on school history lessons. Or the poetry, films, music, literature, and plays highlighting the experience (as opposed to the Great Depression or two world wars).

 

[espola]

Yeah I forget you were around back then. Most of us didn’t have the first hand experience and had to rely on school history lessons. Or the poetry, films, music, literature, and plays highlighting the experience (as opposed to the Great Depression or two world wars).

Your lack of education is nobody's fault but your own.

 

[Grace T.]

Your lack of education is nobody's fault but your own.

Haha. Back to comedy I see.

 

[espola]

Haha. Back to comedy I see.

I can't speak to the 1922 New Year cartoon you referenced since I haven't seen it, but in general, that sort of thing references what happened in the year past (in this case that would be 1921). By that time, the 1918 flu epidemic was over two years gone, with the last significant levels of infection and death tapering off in early 1919. A cartoon referencing that would have been appropriate for New Year 1920, not 1922.

I was also going to going to question your reference to the "scandals of the us admin", since not much was known of that until nearer the time of Harding's death in 1923 with the greatest exposures occurring after that.

Rushing? Or just running open loop?

 

[Grace T.]

I can't speak to the 1922 New Year cartoon you referenced since I haven't seen it, but in general, that sort of thing references what happened in the year past (in this case that would be 1921). By that time, the 1918 flu epidemic was over two years gone, with the last significant levels of infection and death tapering off in early 1919. A cartoon referencing that would have been appropriate for New Year 1920, not 1922.

I was also going to going to question your reference to the "scandals of the us admin", since not much was known of that until nearer the time of Harding's death in 1923 with the greatest exposures occurring after that.

Rushing? Or just running open loop?

You are off on a tangent again. The objection you had raised was against the flu pandemic being memory holed. You want to go down rabbit holes about when the pandemic ended, the cartoon (which I have no idea if its legit) or the Harding scandals?

 

[watfly]

School opening delays now in Cleveland, Detroit, Ann Arbor, several districts in missouri, Massachusetts and New Jersey.

babs has sent out a letter to LAUSD and the other la county districts and indie schools mandating better masks and testing requirements including masks while outdoors. Rumor has it the letter contains levels at which school sports and schools will be shut down but no one has tweeted or reported the actual letter yet so this is unconfirmed. Other rumor I’ve seen is that indoor sports have been suspended and that tournaments with out of county participants are prohibited. Again unconfirmed. No one so far has a copy of the letter I’ve seen. Eric s at the la times only tweeted the first page so only the first sentence seems definite.

Crazy. Yesterday I stood shoulder to shoulder with 90k other people that were 90% maskless, but tomorrow some kids wont be able to go to school?

 

[espola]

You are off on a tangent again. The objection you had raised was against the flu pandemic being memory holed. You want to go down rabbit holes about when the pandemic ended, the cartoon (which I have no idea if its legit) or the Harding scandals?

Ignore the Harding "tangent" if you like. It is much more subtle than your suggestion about a "memory hole". As I said, speak for yourself.

 

[Grace T.]

CDC had recommended due to staffing fears (such as for hospitals) reducing the quarantine for a positive test from ten to five days. Now apparently citing push back they considering adding a testing requirement (despite their explanation that tests may remain positive a long time after despite not being infectious). The added complication is testing is being strained right now (as suggested by the long lines for testing we’ve been seeing in the northeast). CDC is doing politics again rather than science. They can’t seem to help burning what credibility they have left.

 

[dad4]

Crazy. Yesterday I stood shoulder to shoulder with 90k other people that were 90% maskless, but tomorrow some kids wont be able to go to school?

Both were overreactions.

The stadium or concert should not have been open at that density, and the schools are the wrong thing to close. (Bars, restaurants, casinos, gyms, cruise lines, and recreational air travel all should close before schools.)

At least it should be short this time.

 

[Grace T.]

Both were overreactions.

The stadium or concert should not have been open at that density, and the schools are the wrong thing to close. (Bars, restaurants, casinos, gyms, cruise lines, and recreational air travel all should close before schools.)

At least it should be short this time.

Hey we agree on something!

There’s a limiting factor in place when it comes to SoCal. Eric Sondheimer of la times has speculated maybe that’s what’s guiding the la county school policy. The super bowl for which Barbara ferrer would have hell to pay politically from the supervisors if it’s restricted. Kind of like the Disneyland corollary: how would parents feel if the Super Bowl goes forward and la schools are either closed or have very recently been closed. The hospital levels are probably at about the catastrophe level she feels she’s have to go against the supervisors and take out the Super Bowl (which no doubt would humiliatingly decamp to a red state).

 

[N00B]

. Now apparently citing push back they considering adding a testing requirement (despite their explanation that tests may remain positive a long time after despite not being infectious).

PCR testing may remain positive for some time, but the rapid tests do not. Finally… something they’re useful for.

 

[dad4]

Hey we agree on something!

There’s a limiting factor in place when it comes to SoCal. Eric Sondheimer of la times has speculated maybe that’s what’s guiding the la county school policy. The super bowl for which Barbara ferrer would have hell to pay politically from the supervisors if it’s restricted. Kind of like the Disneyland corollary: how would parents feel if the Super Bowl goes forward and la schools are either closed or have very recently been closed. The hospital levels are probably at about the catastrophe level she feels she’s have to go against the supervisors and take out the Super Bowl (which no doubt would humiliatingly decamp to a red state).

School closure may be forced. If enough kids and staff are sick at the same time, no choice left. You're not running normal class that day.

Super Bowl is Feb 13, well after Omicron peak. School closures ought to be over by then.

 

[MicPaPa]

You seem to have forgotten that the 1918 flu killed more people than the great war.

Yes, it was fitting. And apparently fitting that you missed it. Zounds! What a poor historian you are!

Yet real men fought on, which is exactly the point that escapes you. Don't need to be a historian to have a pair and spine....give it a shot.

 

[MicPaPa]

You seem to have forgotten that the 1918 flu killed more people than the great war.

Yes, it was fitting. And apparently fitting that you missed it. Zounds! What a poor historian you are!

BTW, besides not eating quiche, real men don't use "zounds" either.

 

[dad4]

Yet real men fought on, which is exactly the point that escapes you. Don't need to be a historian to have a pair and spine....give it a shot.

Real men fought on? Maybe in Siberia. For everyone else, the war ended about the time the flu really got going.

Do you get all your facts from watching John Wayne movies?