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Turkey rolls out its own COVID-19 vaccine as infections surge

Turkey began administering its domestically developed COVID-19 vaccine, Turkovac, at hospitals across the country on Thursday, amid a rapid surge in infections due to the Omicron variant. Turkey has already administered more than 130 million doses of vaccines using shots developed by China's...
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Grace T. said:
You? Talking about fiction when you are living a fantasy?

as to reduction in masks we’ve gone through that before: we disagree on the number and you can’t point to any real world example

as to reduction in vaccination, we know that’s true but the question is how much. A reduction from a very high number is still a very high number

and as to could have achieved herd immunity you have no proof. Taking arguendo your number you have no proof it reduces it to less than 1. You have no real world examples. And you fail to account for the rest of the world.

the only thing you have is “they didn’t do it right”. Kind of like the modern daycommunists claiming there’s never been true communism. This is the opposite of science…it’s faith.
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Communism doesn't work on a large scale because people are inherently (genetically, even) selfish and clannish. Do you see the parallels with the general approach to controlling covid, or do I have to drag your nose through it?
 
espola said:
selfish and clannish. Do you see the parallels with the general approach to controlling covid, or do I have to drag your nose through it?
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For once you are spot on.

The left generally, and many politicians and many people have been selfish and clannish.

Forcing kids to mask up and miss school is one example of the selfishness.

Another would be advocating the shuttering of many businesses while many were able to still get a paycheck working from home.

You win today espola for finally figuring something out. Took you 365 days this year. How long will it take next year?
 
espola said:
Communism doesn't work on a large scale because people are inherently (genetically, even) selfish and clannish. Do you see the parallels with the general approach to controlling covid, or do I have to drag your nose through it?
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Hey then we agree on something. Go figure! Again I deal in realities, not fantasies
 
Desert Hound said:
For once you are spot on.

The left generally, and many politicians and many people have been selfish and clannish.

Forcing kids to mask up and miss school is one example of the selfishness.

Another would be advocating the shuttering of many businesses while many were able to still get a paycheck working from home.

You win today espola for finally figuring something out. Took you 365 days this year. How long will it take next year?
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Every once in a while he’ll have a moment of lucidity even if he doesn’t fully understand it. I mean we’ve written pages and pages of even the party bosses, even the health “experts” advising them, not being able to take their own medicine.
 
Grace T. said:
Every once in a while he’ll have a moment of lucidity even if he doesn’t fully understand it. I mean we’ve written pages and pages of even the party bosses, even the health “experts” advising them, not being able to take their own medicine.
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Do you not see DH's selfish translation of what I posted, or are you just playing along with your team?
 
watfly said:
So what your saying is the dispensaries in your neighborhood deliver. ;)
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Oh, they do. I'm too old for that shit, though.

I stand by the numbers in the claim. I don't expect anyone here to like it.

Grace's word spam is telling. Anytime you throw that many disconnected half arguments into one post, it means you know none of them are any good.

My favorite is her claim that the Martha's Vineyard Omicron spike proves they didn't have herd immunity to Delta. Not sure why she thinks an Omicron spike disproves Delta immunity, but there it is.
 
...wait what? uhmmm...Ah, consider the source, right-wing...oh shhhesh! Look, SQUIRREL!

BREAKING NEWS:
"96% Of Germans With Omicron Were 'Fully Vaccinated,' 28% Triple Vaxxed, Only 4% Unvaxxed, Government Says"
 
dad4 said:
Oh, they do. I'm too old for that shit, though.

I stand by the numbers in the claim. I don't expect anyone here to like it.

Grace's word spam is telling. Anytime you throw that many disconnected half arguments into one post, it means you know none of them are any good.

My favorite is her claim that the Martha's Vineyard Omicron spike proves they didn't have herd immunity to Delta. Not sure why she thinks an Omicron spike disproves Delta immunity, but there it is.
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Well kudos to you for standing firm even in the face of reality. IDK about micro claims of this and that, but the big picture is blatantly obvious.

Like someone said we could avoid all auto deaths if we just stopped driving. Its just not reality.

Omicron will be interesting. We will see if it turns out to be the "natural vaccination" from Covid as many experts are predicting. It cant be any worse from the injected vaccination for immunity.
 
dad4 said:
Oh, they do. I'm too old for that shit, though.

I stand by the numbers in the claim. I don't expect anyone here to like it.

Grace's word spam is telling. Anytime you throw that many disconnected half arguments into one post, it means you know none of them are any good.

My favorite is her claim that the Martha's Vineyard Omicron spike proves they didn't have herd immunity to Delta. Not sure why she thinks an Omicron spike disproves Delta immunity, but there it is.
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Because the Martha’s Vineyard spike began the first/second week of December. You going to argue it was all omicron due to recent travelers to Africa? The New York State and Massachusetts spikes going on right now aren’t even primarily omicron driven (the cdc pulled it’s hold on mono clones because they were mistaken around christmas about omicron prevalence…it’s was about a 3rd). If you look at the distribution we have right now, omicron is centered on the cities (like nyc which is now experiencing a double spike), radiating outwards…pushing delta out.
 
dad4 said:
Oh, they do. I'm too old for that shit, though.

I stand by the numbers in the claim. I don't expect anyone here to like it.

Grace's word spam is telling. Anytime you throw that many disconnected half arguments into one post, it means you know none of them are any good.

My favorite is her claim that the Martha's Vineyard Omicron spike proves they didn't have herd immunity to Delta. Not sure why she thinks an Omicron spike disproves Delta immunity, but there it is.
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Ps you pulled an espola and are handwaiving by claiming the early/mid December spike in Martha’s Vineyard is all omicron while ignoring and hamdwaiving away the main thrust of the argument: you have no proof for your belief…only faith.
 
dad4 said:
Of course you object.

You want to believe that everything bad from covid was a foregone conclusion. No need for each person to do their part if it's all predetermined.

I am tearing a giant hole in that fiction.

I didn't expect you to like it. But it is still true. The transmission reduction from masks and vaccination is well documented, and is large enough that we could have achieved herd immunity against Delta.
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The religious undertones are unmistakable.
 
Grace T. said:
Because the Martha’s Vineyard spike began the first/second week of December. You going to argue it was all omicron due to recent travelers to Africa? The New York State and Massachusetts spikes going on right now aren’t even primarily omicron driven (the cdc pulled it’s hold on mono clones because they were mistaken around christmas about omicron prevalence…it’s was about a 3rd). If you look at the distribution we have right now, omicron is centered on the cities (like nyc which is now experiencing a double spike), radiating outwards…pushing delta out.
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Martha's Vineyard is full of very highly connected people. No reason to think they wouldn't be ahead of the curve on Omicron.

Also possible that you're looking at two overlapping waves: a Thanksgiving Delta spike in early Dec, then the Omicron spike in mid to late Dec.

Either way, it's still consistent with Delta herd immunity. Herd immunity doesn't mean you don't get a case surge when you hold a party. Ask Obama.
 
dad4 said:
Martha's Vineyard is full of very highly connected people. No reason to think they wouldn't be ahead of the curve on Omicron.

Also possible that you're looking at two overlapping waves: a Thanksgiving Delta spike in early Dec, then the Omicron spike in mid to late Dec.

Either way, it's still consistent with Delta herd immunity. Herd immunity doesn't mean you don't get a case surge when you hold a party. Ask Obama.
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You’ll waive or define away any data point that runs contrary to your belief but nevertheless without any evidence you assure us herd immunity could be achieved. But now we discover it’s not mask plus vaxx…apparently to get herd immunity you have to lockdown too apparently by avoiding thanksgiving Christmas and parties. As others have noted for you you cannot lock down society for two plus years. At least you are (finally) being honest about your preferred policies
 
espola said:
I was thinking more like "I don't like the rules, so they don't apply to me" kind of selfish.
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I think that’s her attitude to a tee. She believes everything is how she sees it or wants it seen. Also she is attempting to blame seniors for the protection they have been afforded, as if they were solely in charge of the efforts.
 
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