Vaccine
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Desert Hound
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Reality dad.
In March 2020, a profile of the typical Covid victim emerged from Italy. The average decedent was eighty years old, with approximately three comorbidities such as heart disease, obesity or diabetes. The young had little to worry about; the survival rate for the vast majority of the population was well over 99 percent.
That portrait never significantly changed. The early assessments of Covid out of Italy have remained valid through today. And so it will prove with the Omicron variant.
The data out of South Africa, after five weeks of Omicron spread, suggest that Omicron should be a cause for celebration, not fear. Its symptoms are mild to non-existent in the majority of the infected, especially the vaccinated; hospitalization rates are over nine times lower than for previous Covid strains; deaths are negligible. That assessment will only be confirmed as the US and other western countries gather their own data on Omicron.
Yet the public health establishment and the media are working overtime to gin up Omicron hysteria. The official response to the Omicron variant provides a case study in the deliberate manufacture of fear. The following strategies are key:
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The only public health experts whom the media quote are those determined to put the most dire spin on Omicron. They stress worst-case hypothetical scenarios and dismiss actual good-case evidence. At best, they may grudgingly admit that Omicron symptoms are disproportionately mild, but rush to assert that there are still many as-yet unrealized grounds for worry. “Even if Omicron causes less severe cases, the sheer number of cases could once again overwhelm unprepared health systems,” the director-general of the World Health Organization said. “I’m not counting [Omicron’s lack of severity] as good news just yet,” a disease ecologist at Georgetown University said. “Even if infection is mild in many individuals, it’s not going to be mild in everyone.”
But that 100 percent mildness standard is unrealistic. There are outliers in any disease and any treatment; the question is: what is the predominant reality? The zero-risk, zero-harm standard for public policy adopted for the first time with Covid has proven a social, economic and public health disaster.
spectatorworld.com
In March 2020, a profile of the typical Covid victim emerged from Italy. The average decedent was eighty years old, with approximately three comorbidities such as heart disease, obesity or diabetes. The young had little to worry about; the survival rate for the vast majority of the population was well over 99 percent.
That portrait never significantly changed. The early assessments of Covid out of Italy have remained valid through today. And so it will prove with the Omicron variant.
The data out of South Africa, after five weeks of Omicron spread, suggest that Omicron should be a cause for celebration, not fear. Its symptoms are mild to non-existent in the majority of the infected, especially the vaccinated; hospitalization rates are over nine times lower than for previous Covid strains; deaths are negligible. That assessment will only be confirmed as the US and other western countries gather their own data on Omicron.
Yet the public health establishment and the media are working overtime to gin up Omicron hysteria. The official response to the Omicron variant provides a case study in the deliberate manufacture of fear. The following strategies are key:
--
The only public health experts whom the media quote are those determined to put the most dire spin on Omicron. They stress worst-case hypothetical scenarios and dismiss actual good-case evidence. At best, they may grudgingly admit that Omicron symptoms are disproportionately mild, but rush to assert that there are still many as-yet unrealized grounds for worry. “Even if Omicron causes less severe cases, the sheer number of cases could once again overwhelm unprepared health systems,” the director-general of the World Health Organization said. “I’m not counting [Omicron’s lack of severity] as good news just yet,” a disease ecologist at Georgetown University said. “Even if infection is mild in many individuals, it’s not going to be mild in everyone.”
But that 100 percent mildness standard is unrealistic. There are outliers in any disease and any treatment; the question is: what is the predominant reality? The zero-risk, zero-harm standard for public policy adopted for the first time with Covid has proven a social, economic and public health disaster.
Inside the Omicron fear factory - The Spectator World
The data out of South Africa, after five weeks of Omicron spread, suggest that Omicron should be a cause for celebration, not fear
spectatorworld.com
We don't agree on the effect of masks. Or the effect of distance. Or the effect of vaccines. This is not a minor point. You are thinking of each factor as 5-10%. I put them at 40, 50-90, and 50% respectively.
Even supposing we did agree on those, we don't have a common framework for how to evaluate the impact of a transmission reduction. I would want to look at the impact through the standard model. You would want to kind of wing it based on your gut.
Which leaves you thinking of a 15% change to the total, and me thinking of an 80-95% change to the parameter. (And then trying for the 58th time to explain what that means.)
Not a good starting point for discussion.
"We can't discuss a cost/benefit analysis because we don't agree on the benefit. Therefore, you have to shut up and stop complaining and just accept my policies."
I love it when Grace just gives up and reverts to fantasies.
Not fantasy....all stuff he's said including the stop complaining and just listen to the experts. I think he's even said the "shut up" part, but I'll admit I'm not 100% sure on that one.
That clip is from Orgazmo by Parker/Stone. It's about a Mormon Missionary that becomes a stand-in Superhero in porn movies. Super inappropriate movie but hilarious.
reduced risk of severe disease from omicron, some likely due to population immunity.
www.medrxiv.org
Early assessment of the clinical severity of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in South Africa
Background The SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant of concern (VOC) almost completely replaced other variants in South Africa during November 2021, and was associated with a rapid increase in COVID-19 cases. We aimed to assess clinical severity of individuals infected with Omicron, using S Gene Target...
www.medrxiv.org
This just blew up the twitter verse over what exactly he meant by this
You could stop deliberately misrepresenting the positions of those who work in the field.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
He got away!
"deliberately"= imputing motives
"misrepresenting" = I don't like your interpretation
"those who work in the field" = the experts I like
"could"= snarky italics for added effect. Again, illustrating the point that while you complain about ads, you are the king of the subtle put downs.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Where does your data come from?
Desert Hound
DA
The problem is dad is fighting a war he already lost, but doesn't know it.
The protections/policies he advocated didnt work.
More and more people are moving on. Governments are starting to move on.
The reality is people are waking up to the fact they have to live with the virus and don't want and will not accept much more in the way of restrictions.
As a math guy one would think he would understand the concept of trends. It is easy to see where the trend is going right now.
Desert Hound
DA
Speaking of reality and trends....
NBA commissioner Adam Silver just said the NBA won't be shutting down because, "The virus will not be eradicated and we have to learn to live with it." Welcome to the party, pal.
NBA commissioner Adam Silver just said the NBA won't be shutting down because, "The virus will not be eradicated and we have to learn to live with it." Welcome to the party, pal.
Desert Hound
DA
Here is another example of moving on. The messaging is starting to change. They are talking about how in just a couple of weeks, CNN has changed their tune on kids, etc.
It picks up in the video where they talk about it. You only need to watch a few minutes of this.
It picks up in the video where they talk about it. You only need to watch a few minutes of this.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
So, remember when the Borg Collective of trolls (EOTL(now GoldenGate)/TheLongGame/Husker/NotInTheFace/espola) spoke loudly about how children were resilient and we shouldn't worry about closing schools? Could they have possibly been more wrong? I don't think so. You hit the nail on the head. There was a very negative outcome and it was worse for disadvantaged children. Not to mention that those imposing the mandates have lied from the beginning about "protecting the children". They still use those words. They should be banned from Twitter.
How School Closures Damaged U.S. Children's Mental Health
A new study shows the emotional price children paid when schools were forced to shut down in-school learning during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Harvard professor: More school closures could exacerbate 'full-on child mental health crisis'
Professor argues in the New York Times that more COVID-19 school closings could be detrimental to children's health.
www.foxnews.com
Hüsker Dü
DA
So now we see what “news” sources you prefer to have frame your information.So, remember when the Borg Collective of trolls (EOTL(now GoldenGate)/TheLongGame/Husker/NotInTheFace/espola) spoke loudly about how children were resilient and we shouldn't worry about closing schools? Could they have possibly been more wrong? I don't think so. You hit the nail on the head. There was a very negative outcome and it was worse for disadvantaged children. Not to mention that those imposing the mandates have lied from the beginning about "protecting the children". They still use those words. They should be banned from Twitter.
How School Closures Damaged U.S. Children's Mental Health
A new study shows the emotional price children paid when schools were forced to shut down in-school learning during the COVID-19 pandemic.time.com
Harvard professor: More school closures could exacerbate 'full-on child mental health crisis'
Professor argues in the New York Times that more COVID-19 school closings could be detrimental to children's health.