The twitter boards are alight with discussions being held at school board and admin levels for schools in the northeast (Boston/NYC) to close and go remote after the winter break. These aren't half cocked rumors either but reports of actual discussions including reports issued to various school boards and emails that have gone out to teachers. CDC has previously pushed back on closing schools again....we'll see if they have a back bone too. I suspect the Bay Area and LA Co may have similar discussions once omicron takes hold here.
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I heard it was the Chimps not the Mice. Whatever these things are made of, their made of DNA of animals and humans.
100%
Like a Wuhan Lab Research facility ?
www.nbcnews.com
Fauci pushes for universal coronavirus vaccine
Researchers have been chasing so-called universal vaccines for years, with trials of long-lasting influenza vaccines first starting in 2019.
www.nbcnews.com
I drove my wife to Texas and back instead of wearing a diaper over my mouth and nose on airplane for 7 hours each way. Instead, I drove 12 hours one day and then 4 the next and then turn around and go 4 and then 14 ((rain yesterday coming down 8 was insane in SD)). I was the pilot and my wife slept most of the way. On my 12 hour days I leave at 3:30am local time. 90 mph most of the way with a little break in between.
Southwest CEO: 'Masks don't add much, if anything' against COVID-19 on planes
Airline CEOs emphasized how superior air quality is on airplanes compared to other indoor spaces, calling into question mandates imposed both by airlines and the Biden administration
Southwest CEO: 'Masks don't add much, if anything' against COVID-19 on planes
Airline CEOs emphasized how superior air quality is on airplanes compared to other indoor spaces, calling into question mandates imposed both by airlines and the Biden administration
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When will this end???
Californians are back under a mask mandate today until January 15. Why January 15 and not February 15 or March 15? No one knows, because the Governor has not established a clear policy objective for when he will end the state of emergency that gave him sweeping, unchecked powers over the state for the past two years.
It seems to me that if the Governor can take a week-long vacation in Mexico and California can host the Super Bowl and Oscars in the next several weeks, the emergency is already over.
The conventional wisdom right now is that this virus will become endemic. This means it will still be around in the coming years and cases will likely increase during certain seasons of the year, but those cases will be manageable, much like the seasonal flu.
So, when will this all end? It ends when politicians stop trying to do “something” for political theatre and start being truthful with the public. The truth is that politicians cannot stop the virus with lockdowns and mask mandates. The truth is that the virus is likely here to stay. The truth is that people should make their own decisions based on their own risk tolerance and enjoy their lives.
Coronado will not be actively patrolling or monitoring the business community to enforce the state’s new mask mandate. If called, the city will assess the complaint and respond with education and information. As a municipal corporation, the city’s public facilities will continue to abide by the state’s latest order. This is a similar approach as most other cities.
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Please note, many businesses require state licenses to operate and may feel obligated to comply with the mask mandate even if they personally disagree with it. Also, municipal employees and public facilities have to comply with state orders. So, if you’re frustrated over the mandate, send your state reps and the Governor’s office an email or give them a call. Do not take your frustrations out on the clerk at the grocery store or the local librarian or the hostess at the restaurant – they are just doing their jobs and it isn’t their decision.
Desert Hound
DA
People like dad were/are for
Closing biz
Putting people out of work (don't worry...he ordered takeout)
Etc etc.
All completely terrible ideas that ravaged our economy, put biz out or work, hurt working families, and took a terrible toll on the the kids.
That dad and some others are now starting to modify their opinion does not negate the fact that their preferred policies were TERRIBLE.
Kids took and still are taking the brunt of this type of misguided thinking.
At this point, I think it is clear: many pandemic experts hurt children.
School closure was the greatest self inflicted wound of the pandemic. Sensible European nations did not close primary school at all, or only for 6 weeks, but places in the USA remained closed for more than a year. This was a net negative for the health and well-being of children, and will damage this nation for years to come. I am not sure we will recover.
This decision was made only in some places in the USA, and not others, and was not explained by virus specific properties— it had no correlation with cases/100k or hospitalizations per capita—but solely the political valence of a region/ strength of teachers unions. When the history books are written, school closure will be viewed, as I have said before: a massively catastrophic and harmful blunder that was fueled by mis-information from the legacy media, and many pundits who lacked experience adjudicating trade-offs.
But the experts did not stop with closure. To this day, children suffer some of the harshest restrictions. In many parts of the USA, including school districts in California, school kids must wear cloth masks inside and outside (Nov 2021). During recess, and in inclement weather (rain). In some locations, they must eat lunch outside, in a hurry (time limits), or in the cold.
brownstone.org
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Some have claimed that our policies to children reflect “following the science.” They do not. There is no science to support primary school closure. No science supported prolonged (>1 year) closure for any age. No science supported outdoor cloth mask mandates for young kids, and no science supported deviating from the WHO guidance. These policies meanwhile have devastating consequences for the well-being of children.
Closing biz
Putting people out of work (don't worry...he ordered takeout)
Etc etc.
All completely terrible ideas that ravaged our economy, put biz out or work, hurt working families, and took a terrible toll on the the kids.
That dad and some others are now starting to modify their opinion does not negate the fact that their preferred policies were TERRIBLE.
Kids took and still are taking the brunt of this type of misguided thinking.
At this point, I think it is clear: many pandemic experts hurt children.
School closure was the greatest self inflicted wound of the pandemic. Sensible European nations did not close primary school at all, or only for 6 weeks, but places in the USA remained closed for more than a year. This was a net negative for the health and well-being of children, and will damage this nation for years to come. I am not sure we will recover.
This decision was made only in some places in the USA, and not others, and was not explained by virus specific properties— it had no correlation with cases/100k or hospitalizations per capita—but solely the political valence of a region/ strength of teachers unions. When the history books are written, school closure will be viewed, as I have said before: a massively catastrophic and harmful blunder that was fueled by mis-information from the legacy media, and many pundits who lacked experience adjudicating trade-offs.
But the experts did not stop with closure. To this day, children suffer some of the harshest restrictions. In many parts of the USA, including school districts in California, school kids must wear cloth masks inside and outside (Nov 2021). During recess, and in inclement weather (rain). In some locations, they must eat lunch outside, in a hurry (time limits), or in the cold.
How Could They Have Done This to the Children? ⋆ Brownstone Institute
Some claimed that policies for children reflect “following the science.” They do not. There's no science to support primary school closure
brownstone.org
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Some have claimed that our policies to children reflect “following the science.” They do not. There is no science to support primary school closure. No science supported prolonged (>1 year) closure for any age. No science supported outdoor cloth mask mandates for young kids, and no science supported deviating from the WHO guidance. These policies meanwhile have devastating consequences for the well-being of children.
Desert Hound
DA
Universal Vaccination Based on False Premise
In the case of COVID-19 vaccines, the censorship aims to stamp out any questions about a universal vaccination program that, it is now clear, was based on the false premise that low-risk individuals must get vaccinated to halt the spread of COVID-19 and end the pandemic. Almost a year into the global vaccination campaign – and starting long before omicron arrived – all the data stand in stark opposition to this belief.
Rapidly waning vaccine efficacy and COVID-19 surges in countries and regions with high vaccination rates – including Israel, the United Kingdom, Singapore, and now Europe, as well as high-vaccination U.S. states like Vermont – are evidence that vaccinated individuals can spread COVID-19 at rates comparable to the unvaccinated. Multiple studies have shown that viral load in vaccinated individuals with COVID-19 is the same as in the unvaccinated.
Most damning, reports regularly published by the British government show that for every age group from 30 years and up, vaccinated individuals are now actually more likely to test positive for COVID-19. In the case of the 40-59-year-old age group, in the latest report the rate is twice as high among the vaccinated.
Whether this is due to the physiological effects of the vaccines or to social factors – for example freer socializing by the vaccinated – the United Kingdom’s record-breaking surge across a mostly vaccinated population makes one thing clear: mass vaccination will not stop the pandemic. Similar surges fueled by breakthrough cases around the world tell the same story.
thefederalist.com
In the case of COVID-19 vaccines, the censorship aims to stamp out any questions about a universal vaccination program that, it is now clear, was based on the false premise that low-risk individuals must get vaccinated to halt the spread of COVID-19 and end the pandemic. Almost a year into the global vaccination campaign – and starting long before omicron arrived – all the data stand in stark opposition to this belief.
Rapidly waning vaccine efficacy and COVID-19 surges in countries and regions with high vaccination rates – including Israel, the United Kingdom, Singapore, and now Europe, as well as high-vaccination U.S. states like Vermont – are evidence that vaccinated individuals can spread COVID-19 at rates comparable to the unvaccinated. Multiple studies have shown that viral load in vaccinated individuals with COVID-19 is the same as in the unvaccinated.
Most damning, reports regularly published by the British government show that for every age group from 30 years and up, vaccinated individuals are now actually more likely to test positive for COVID-19. In the case of the 40-59-year-old age group, in the latest report the rate is twice as high among the vaccinated.
Whether this is due to the physiological effects of the vaccines or to social factors – for example freer socializing by the vaccinated – the United Kingdom’s record-breaking surge across a mostly vaccinated population makes one thing clear: mass vaccination will not stop the pandemic. Similar surges fueled by breakthrough cases around the world tell the same story.
Forcing People Into COVID Vaccines Ignores Important Scientific Data
Now more than ever we need real debate about decisions that affect the health of hundreds of millions of people, instead we get censorship and suppression.
thefederalist.com
When will this end???
They don’t know. You don’t know. I don’t know.
But I do know that you’ll be mad as hell if someone in your family gets really sick this winter, and the hospital has no one available to help them.
And constant agitation for fewer masks, less distancing, less vaccination, and indoor socialization only makes that more likely.
They don’t know. You don’t know. I don’t know.
But I do know that you’ll be mad as hell if someone in your family gets really sick this winter, and the hospital has no one available to help them.
And constant agitation for fewer masks, less distancing, less vaccination, and indoor socialization only makes that more likely.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Is there any evidence that a virus that mutates as COVID does can be eradicated by a vaccine? Is there anyone still making a scientific case for that?Universal Vaccination Based on False Premise
In the case of COVID-19 vaccines, the censorship aims to stamp out any questions about a universal vaccination program that, it is now clear, was based on the false premise that low-risk individuals must get vaccinated to halt the spread of COVID-19 and end the pandemic. Almost a year into the global vaccination campaign – and starting long before omicron arrived – all the data stand in stark opposition to this belief.
Rapidly waning vaccine efficacy and COVID-19 surges in countries and regions with high vaccination rates – including Israel, the United Kingdom, Singapore, and now Europe, as well as high-vaccination U.S. states like Vermont – are evidence that vaccinated individuals can spread COVID-19 at rates comparable to the unvaccinated. Multiple studies have shown that viral load in vaccinated individuals with COVID-19 is the same as in the unvaccinated.
Most damning, reports regularly published by the British government show that for every age group from 30 years and up, vaccinated individuals are now actually more likely to test positive for COVID-19. In the case of the 40-59-year-old age group, in the latest report the rate is twice as high among the vaccinated.
Whether this is due to the physiological effects of the vaccines or to social factors – for example freer socializing by the vaccinated – the United Kingdom’s record-breaking surge across a mostly vaccinated population makes one thing clear: mass vaccination will not stop the pandemic. Similar surges fueled by breakthrough cases around the world tell the same story.
Forcing People Into COVID Vaccines Ignores Important Scientific Data
Now more than ever we need real debate about decisions that affect the health of hundreds of millions of people, instead we get censorship and suppression.
MicPaPa
GOLD
No, actually the problem is all the morons still buying this BS.
Not just mutates but mutates + zoonotic reserve. You’d have to vaccinate and mask all the mice, deer and mink or exterminate them. Good luck with that.
There’s a good chance we know end date (subject to a bunch of caveats like a Russian war, another new variant, etc), particularly if they try and close schools and do lockdowns again: the complete and total collapse of the Democratic Party in 2022 (or even a disappointing somewhat like 1994 finish). The problem at least in the us with its hospital capacity isn’t the virus, it’s the political response.
Fear mongering doesn't work on me and a lot of others. I appreciate that it works on you, but most people see through it.
Desert Hound
DA
When we get rid of politicians who think like you do....ie living in constant fear of what might be around the next corner and putting in policies reflecting that fear.
That is how it ends.
The virus isn't going anywhere.
Time to move on and live with it like we do so many other diseases.
what-happened
GOLD
Endemic.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Let me get this straight, is it your opinion that if a vaccination isn’t 100% full proof, whether it provides any protection at all, it is useless?
All of which was entirely predictable. That's the sad part. It's also put a giant magnifying glass on the limitations of science and the ideology that's infected it.People like dad were/are for
Closing biz
Putting people out of work (don't worry...he ordered takeout)
Etc etc.
All completely terrible ideas that ravaged our economy, put biz out or work, hurt working families, and took a terrible toll on the the kids.
That dad and some others are now starting to modify their opinion does not negate the fact that their preferred policies were TERRIBLE.
Kids took and still are taking the brunt of this type of misguided thinking.
At this point, I think it is clear: many pandemic experts hurt children.
School closure was the greatest self inflicted wound of the pandemic. Sensible European nations did not close primary school at all, or only for 6 weeks, but places in the USA remained closed for more than a year. This was a net negative for the health and well-being of children, and will damage this nation for years to come. I am not sure we will recover.
This decision was made only in some places in the USA, and not others, and was not explained by virus specific properties— it had no correlation with cases/100k or hospitalizations per capita—but solely the political valence of a region/ strength of teachers unions. When the history books are written, school closure will be viewed, as I have said before: a massively catastrophic and harmful blunder that was fueled by mis-information from the legacy media, and many pundits who lacked experience adjudicating trade-offs.
But the experts did not stop with closure. To this day, children suffer some of the harshest restrictions. In many parts of the USA, including school districts in California, school kids must wear cloth masks inside and outside (Nov 2021). During recess, and in inclement weather (rain). In some locations, they must eat lunch outside, in a hurry (time limits), or in the cold.
How Could They Have Done This to the Children? ⋆ Brownstone Institute
Some claimed that policies for children reflect “following the science.” They do not. There's no science to support primary school closure
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Some have claimed that our policies to children reflect “following the science.” They do not. There is no science to support primary school closure. No science supported prolonged (>1 year) closure for any age. No science supported outdoor cloth mask mandates for young kids, and no science supported deviating from the WHO guidance. These policies meanwhile have devastating consequences for the well-being of children.
I can't speak for GraceT, but no that's not what I think nor do I believe anyone has made that claim. Maybe that's the windmill your tilting at. What I believe is that since it has limited effectiveness and other factors may provide better protection then it shouldn't be mandated and your vaccine status shouldn't be used to discriminate against you. Seems like common sense to me.
Hüsker Dü
DA
I have seen a few anti-mask-vaxx-distancing-any precautions whatsoever types do 180’s when the shit hits too close to home. It’s easy enough to comply and thrive if you are smart about it and aren’t afraid of bubble peer pressure.