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Vaccine
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It seems you have run out of sensible things to post.
Anyone who thinks that a vaccine will give the recipient condom-like protection is just begging to be called ignorant.
I've noticed.
Desert Hound
DA
what exactly do you support?
Bar/restaurant restrictions?
mask mandates?
vaxx passports?
mandatory vaccines?
school closures in light of omicron?
Lay out exactly what you support.
what-happened
GOLD
ha..at least try and use it correctly.
What I have noticed is "individual beliefs, faith really, allows people to twist anything to match those beliefs."
What did I get wrong?
Lets see. Everything!!!
He supports cheating at all cost and then lie to cover up the cheating. If kids have a little disruption in thirr life, too bad. Espola hid under desk and had to sit out in the middle of the ocean during lnad combat. You and Kerry shipmates?
Desert Hound
DA
So you are unwilling to state your position on any of those?
Kind of pointless to start talking policy before we can agree on basic facts.
The last time we checked, you were still pretending that maskless indoor spaces are low risk and that vaccines have no impact on transmission.
It's hard to have a public health policy discussion when we can't even agree on how the disease spreads or what the main medicine does.
Desert Hound
DA
Masks do little.
What I have argued from the beginning is that we have to live with this. We cannot keep stuff closed, kids out of schools, etc. It is not and never was sustainable.
Basically I have been arguing what is fairly obvious. IE reality. The virus is going to spread no matter what and it is endemic and we simply have to live with it and move on.
You still believe this all would have been stopped long ago, despite billions not being vaxxed and variations arising from those areas.
Who has been right as to where we end up? You? Nope.
The reality is you are seeing everyone moving to the position I said was inevitable. Living with it. More and more are coming to that conclusion.
I deal in reality. You keep looking at the models and wondering why they have not worked as you believe.
Varney: Biden omicron plan is a test of his leadership
From Stu........
President Biden to outline plans on tackling omicron variant ((Stu, I like you but you can't tackle the wind or this virus for that matter. No one can tackle a virus))
STUART VARNEY: In a few hours, the president addresses the nation. ((Oh boy, I can;t wait))
It’s not a press conference, no questions. ((I figured that))
It’s the president outlining his plan to tackle omicron, ((Impossible to tackle this bullshit Stu)).
it’s a test of his leadership. ((Oh really?))
Just two days after the Build Back Better debacle, he needs to show he's in charge, that he knows what he's doing. ((Too late for that)).
We are told the plan has three parts:
Part 1- Death
Part 2- More Death
Part 3- More and more death
To help with more death, Joey has called 1,000 military personnel deployed to make sure they don't run short of supplies ((body bags and caskets))
Access to free tests. ((Free is an interesting word to use. It's free or you get fired for saying no to free vax and free test))
The government will buy 500 million rapid tests and set up new testing sites. ((Some folks are making bank. Bill Gates is in on this test too))
A few days ago, the president warned that the unvaxxed will overwhelm hospitals in this "winter of illness and death." ((Thanks for reminding me of my death sentence. First off, you assholes want to make us suffer and make xample of us critical thinkers who think with their brain first. Then assholes allow us to lose job and then watch us starve and then die at the fucking hospital)).
By the way, today is the first day of winter! ((Yes Stu. I already pointed the obvious out to my friends here at the socal forum. 99% got the jab already))
It’s been two years since the words 'COVID-19' first appeared. ((Yes, I remember two years ago i got it from staying in Kirkland WA for a few days))
By now, many of us have COVID-fatigue. We're fed up with it! ((You have no idea Stu. I have no more friends now except my immediate family and a few soulmates. I have to leave the state it looks like and get out of the way of all the death. Joey is not lying you guys. He's just wrong with WHO is going to meet certain death this winter)).
Early on, Biden suggested Trump had ‘bungled’ our COVID response. ((Yes, everything in the chumps fault. Trump is the chump that caused all this in the first place. it's all his fault and his mini' memes.
From Stu........
President Biden to outline plans on tackling omicron variant ((Stu, I like you but you can't tackle the wind or this virus for that matter. No one can tackle a virus))
STUART VARNEY: In a few hours, the president addresses the nation. ((Oh boy, I can;t wait))
It’s not a press conference, no questions. ((I figured that))
It’s the president outlining his plan to tackle omicron, ((Impossible to tackle this bullshit Stu)).
it’s a test of his leadership. ((Oh really?))
Just two days after the Build Back Better debacle, he needs to show he's in charge, that he knows what he's doing. ((Too late for that)).
We are told the plan has three parts:
Part 1- Death
Part 2- More Death
Part 3- More and more death
To help with more death, Joey has called 1,000 military personnel deployed to make sure they don't run short of supplies ((body bags and caskets))
Access to free tests. ((Free is an interesting word to use. It's free or you get fired for saying no to free vax and free test))
The government will buy 500 million rapid tests and set up new testing sites. ((Some folks are making bank. Bill Gates is in on this test too))
A few days ago, the president warned that the unvaxxed will overwhelm hospitals in this "winter of illness and death." ((Thanks for reminding me of my death sentence. First off, you assholes want to make us suffer and make xample of us critical thinkers who think with their brain first. Then assholes allow us to lose job and then watch us starve and then die at the fucking hospital)).
By the way, today is the first day of winter! ((Yes Stu. I already pointed the obvious out to my friends here at the socal forum. 99% got the jab already))
It’s been two years since the words 'COVID-19' first appeared. ((Yes, I remember two years ago i got it from staying in Kirkland WA for a few days))
By now, many of us have COVID-fatigue. We're fed up with it! ((You have no idea Stu. I have no more friends now except my immediate family and a few soulmates. I have to leave the state it looks like and get out of the way of all the death. Joey is not lying you guys. He's just wrong with WHO is going to meet certain death this winter)).
Early on, Biden suggested Trump had ‘bungled’ our COVID response. ((Yes, everything in the chumps fault. Trump is the chump that caused all this in the first place. it's all his fault and his mini' memes.
This has always been a red herring for you and the establishment experts. It's a cost/benefit analysis. Where we disagree is the amount of the benefit (very few people have said vaccines are completely useless, there is no transmission where people gather, masks even N95s have zero protective value, and lockdowns don't save even 1 life). Your position is we disagree on the amount of the benefit, therefore we cannot have a discussion of the costs, and therefore we cannot come to a conclusion as to the policy. It's a convenient way to avoid debating your preferred policy subscriptions and submitting them to scrutiny. It's a convenient way for you to not think about the costs (whether kids in school, drug overdoses, the streets filled with discarded masks and the environmental damage, or the mental damage your interventions do to people). You get to think only about the hypothetical people you saved and none of the destruction left in its wake.
The hate is coming on hard you guys. I'm getting it from everyone. I told normal Norm and Frank how pissed I am that it's gone this far and now I am SOL and have to leave. The churches who say to get vax because of the scripture being taken out of context below, hate me now too. Old pal was warned to stay away from me. His Pastor makes over $200K a year and has to obey the mandates to be in good standing with the health pros. This is a business that needs to go, moo!!! All the Pastors in the bible did NOT get paid to play Pastor and now medicine doctor. At the end of the day, t got a booster. He also got a jab. He did say no mandates and no one should be fired or forced to take the jabs and no one should be left out in the cold with no job or food or invite to jab family because of Native and Religous reasons. The JaCovid Witnesses can knock on all the doors they want to spread their forced shots or job, but they can expect to get door shut on them too..
"Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you." Hebrews 13:17
I now know it's time to leave for good. I know when I'm not welcomed or appreciated. I tried and I cried out for help in soccer and now I have to go off the grid and live in a cave and the woods so no one hates me and blames me for getting Covid death. It's all my fault for not listening to the experts who care so much for me. It's my fault for killing my children and my wife because I don;t force them to get jabbed.
At the end of the day, t got a booster. He also got a jab. He did say no mandates and no one should be fired for not taking the jabs and no one should be left out of the cold with no job or food or invite to jab families. I will be leaving soon. The heat is on and I have to start producing for the man beginning Jan 4th, 2022. I have to pay my share and do my part.
"Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you." Hebrews 13:17
I now know it's time to leave for good. I know when I'm not welcomed or appreciated. I tried and I cried out for help in soccer and now I have to go off the grid and live in a cave and the woods so no one hates me and blames me for getting Covid death. It's all my fault for not listening to the experts who care so much for me. It's my fault for killing my children and my wife because I don;t force them to get jabbed.
At the end of the day, t got a booster. He also got a jab. He did say no mandates and no one should be fired for not taking the jabs and no one should be left out of the cold with no job or food or invite to jab families. I will be leaving soon. The heat is on and I have to start producing for the man beginning Jan 4th, 2022. I have to pay my share and do my part.
Desert Hound
DA
Reality dad.
In March 2020, a profile of the typical Covid victim emerged from Italy. The average decedent was eighty years old, with approximately three comorbidities such as heart disease, obesity or diabetes. The young had little to worry about; the survival rate for the vast majority of the population was well over 99 percent.
That portrait never significantly changed. The early assessments of Covid out of Italy have remained valid through today. And so it will prove with the Omicron variant.
The data out of South Africa, after five weeks of Omicron spread, suggest that Omicron should be a cause for celebration, not fear. Its symptoms are mild to non-existent in the majority of the infected, especially the vaccinated; hospitalization rates are over nine times lower than for previous Covid strains; deaths are negligible. That assessment will only be confirmed as the US and other western countries gather their own data on Omicron.
Yet the public health establishment and the media are working overtime to gin up Omicron hysteria. The official response to the Omicron variant provides a case study in the deliberate manufacture of fear. The following strategies are key:
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The only public health experts whom the media quote are those determined to put the most dire spin on Omicron. They stress worst-case hypothetical scenarios and dismiss actual good-case evidence. At best, they may grudgingly admit that Omicron symptoms are disproportionately mild, but rush to assert that there are still many as-yet unrealized grounds for worry. “Even if Omicron causes less severe cases, the sheer number of cases could once again overwhelm unprepared health systems,” the director-general of the World Health Organization said. “I’m not counting [Omicron’s lack of severity] as good news just yet,” a disease ecologist at Georgetown University said. “Even if infection is mild in many individuals, it’s not going to be mild in everyone.”
But that 100 percent mildness standard is unrealistic. There are outliers in any disease and any treatment; the question is: what is the predominant reality? The zero-risk, zero-harm standard for public policy adopted for the first time with Covid has proven a social, economic and public health disaster.
spectatorworld.com
In March 2020, a profile of the typical Covid victim emerged from Italy. The average decedent was eighty years old, with approximately three comorbidities such as heart disease, obesity or diabetes. The young had little to worry about; the survival rate for the vast majority of the population was well over 99 percent.
That portrait never significantly changed. The early assessments of Covid out of Italy have remained valid through today. And so it will prove with the Omicron variant.
The data out of South Africa, after five weeks of Omicron spread, suggest that Omicron should be a cause for celebration, not fear. Its symptoms are mild to non-existent in the majority of the infected, especially the vaccinated; hospitalization rates are over nine times lower than for previous Covid strains; deaths are negligible. That assessment will only be confirmed as the US and other western countries gather their own data on Omicron.
Yet the public health establishment and the media are working overtime to gin up Omicron hysteria. The official response to the Omicron variant provides a case study in the deliberate manufacture of fear. The following strategies are key:
--
The only public health experts whom the media quote are those determined to put the most dire spin on Omicron. They stress worst-case hypothetical scenarios and dismiss actual good-case evidence. At best, they may grudgingly admit that Omicron symptoms are disproportionately mild, but rush to assert that there are still many as-yet unrealized grounds for worry. “Even if Omicron causes less severe cases, the sheer number of cases could once again overwhelm unprepared health systems,” the director-general of the World Health Organization said. “I’m not counting [Omicron’s lack of severity] as good news just yet,” a disease ecologist at Georgetown University said. “Even if infection is mild in many individuals, it’s not going to be mild in everyone.”
But that 100 percent mildness standard is unrealistic. There are outliers in any disease and any treatment; the question is: what is the predominant reality? The zero-risk, zero-harm standard for public policy adopted for the first time with Covid has proven a social, economic and public health disaster.
Inside the Omicron fear factory - The Spectator World
The data out of South Africa, after five weeks of Omicron spread, suggest that Omicron should be a cause for celebration, not fear
spectatorworld.com
We don't agree on the effect of masks. Or the effect of distance. Or the effect of vaccines. This is not a minor point. You are thinking of each factor as 5-10%. I put them at 40, 50-90, and 50% respectively.
Even supposing we did agree on those, we don't have a common framework for how to evaluate the impact of a transmission reduction. I would want to look at the impact through the standard model. You would want to kind of wing it based on your gut.
Which leaves you thinking of a 15% change to the total, and me thinking of an 80-95% change to the parameter. (And then trying for the 58th time to explain what that means.)
Not a good starting point for discussion.
"We can't discuss a cost/benefit analysis because we don't agree on the benefit. Therefore, you have to shut up and stop complaining and just accept my policies."