Vaccine

[what-happened]

The mechanism they said they are using (causing errors in the viral DNA replication process so that the resulting particles are non-viable) looks interesting. I wonder if there are undesirable side effects, since it seems like such a powerful process.

If you are going to reduce every discussion to $$$, there is no hope for a reasonable discussion with you.

You can't separate the $$$, Pfizer/others run a profitable business. You are being linear and maybe naive. Find a pharma rep and follow him/her around for a day or two.

From a treatment perspective, pills are easier. It's easier to send someone home with a script. Their doesn't appear to be any cultural aversion to them, which is silly. I haven't dug into the trials but apparetly the safety profile is pretty good. Has been good so far for MABs.

I think my position is pretty clear - comphrehensive approach to treating this disease. Healthcare is art and science. We are past the point of preventing transmission, have been for a while. We never really had a chance to prevent transmission. We though vaccines were the answer, and they were until they weren't. Lockdown, masks,social distancing didn't work...couldn't work. Current vaccine technology isn't going to do it, obvious to most.

Endemic is likley here. More data to come but so far so good. The bottom hasn't dropped out of SA, the UK data is still coming out. Plenty of people here in the US have likley contracted omicron and don't even know it. Boosters will help those most vulnerable, won't matter much for those not in that category. Besides, we should be focusing on why Fentanyl overdoses have killed more people aged 18 to 45 since 2020 than COVID, car accidents, and even suicides. An epidemic that has been glossed over by our beloved government. I have a bigger concern in tackling this than worrying about vaccines for the healthy 5-55 crowd. I haven't seen much spewing of the mouth from talking heads on how we combat this.

 

[crush]

 

[Grace T.]

ahhh, now we are playing footsies. Obviously not from the same source as you.

An “expert” has finally come out and said what some of us have been saying for a while. Cnns dr leanna wen was clipped on air saying that against omicron cloth masks are “little more than facial decorations” and urging people not to wear cloth masks

but she’s probably now a fringe quack that needs to be taken down (there’s an email circulating about from fauci and co when the Gbd came out that they needed to deploy info ops to discredit and take down the Gbd). She’s not a real expert anymore if she’s an apostate

her break from the ranks also throws into question the entirety of child masking under 12….surgical masks in their size are hardly ubiquitous…so parents if they use surgicals generally send them in adult sizes which is laughable….like this little girl we say wearing one at the Mexican restaurant with huge gaps next to her face…it’s not stopping any more than the adults eating maskless right next to her. Wen basically admitted child masking is all theatre.

 

[dad4]

What numbers and data do you seek? Why do you need my analysis, you seem to be doing just fine in your neck of the woods, passing judgement on others.

Funny choice of words, sheep.

Sheep seems accurate for you.

Looks like both Husker and I chose to call your bluff. He asked for your data sources, I asked for your analysis. You replied to both, but provided neither data nor analysis.

You’re the second guy here to try the gambit of pretending to know things you don’t. Eventually, people realize you’re blowing smoke and put you on ignore.

 

[dad4]

An “expert” has finally come out and said what some of us have been saying for a while. Cnns dr leanna wen was clipped on air saying that against omicron cloth masks are “little more than facial decorations” and urging people not to wear cloth masks

but she’s probably now a fringe quack that needs to be taken down (there’s an email circulating about from fauci and co when the Gbd came out that they needed to deploy info ops to discredit and take down the Gbd). She’s not a real expert anymore if she’s an apostate

her break from the ranks also throws into question the entirety of child masking under 12….surgical masks in their size are hardly ubiquitous…so parents if they use surgicals generally send them in adult sizes which is laughable….like this little girl we say wearing one at the Mexican restaurant with huge gaps next to her face…it’s not stopping any more than the adults eating maskless right next to her. Wen basically admitted child masking is all theatre.

Let me guess. The original quote was asking people to upgrade their masks from cloth to surgical or N95. You then decided to rephrase it as advising people to not wear cloth masks, as though a bare face were part of the original advice.

As before, the original advice is solid. The Grace Revision is bogus.

If you want Dr. Leana Wen’s thoughts on masks:

“Thank you! I am just noticing that some people on Twitter are misinterpreting my comments to mean that mask mandates shouldn’t be in place in schools, which is not at all what I’m saying. Especially kids under 5–masks are one of few protective measures they have.”

https://twitter.com/DrLeanaWen?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Dr. Wen does not appear to subscribe to the Grace Revision.

 

[crush]

Sheep seems accurate for you.

Looks like both Husker and I chose to call your bluff. He asked for your data sources, I asked for your analysis. You replied to both, but provided neither data nor analysis.

You’re the second guy here to try the gambit of pretending to know things you don’t. Eventually, people realize you’re blowing smoke and put you on ignore.

Writing like Espola again I see. Look liar, none of your avatars will need to ignore me ever again because I will be ignoring you because I will not be on this message board. I have not decided what day will be my last but it will be this year for sure. I will finish strong though and let take my stand against all you who turned a blind eye to the kids. I will allow you and the rest of the fellas n Grace T to have at it. I am not making satire either. The truth is I got a fucking job that I start on Jan 4th, 2022 and I need to get ready. Finally I found a company willing to take a chance with crush. This gig allows me to work remotely from anywhere in the USA and away from people wearing a mask and with fearalitis. No more dealing with businesses forcing me to get jabbed to have a job or to be allowed entry so I can spend my money and no more worries about what my neighbors are spying on. Hound, get ready for some golf bro. AZ will be a place I will be at for at least a month out of the year. Bye bye big city and bye bye politics.

 

[Grace T.]

Let me guess. The original quote was asking people to upgrade their masks from cloth to surgical or N95. You then decided to rephrase it as advising people to not wear cloth masks, as though a bare face were part of the original advice.

As before, the original advice is solid. The Grace Revision is bogus.

If you want Dr. Leana Wen’s thoughts on masks:

“Thank you! I am just noticing that some people on Twitter are misinterpreting my comments to mean that mask mandates shouldn’t be in place in schools, which is not at all what I’m saying. Especially kids under 5–masks are one of few protective measures they have.”

https://twitter.com/DrLeanaWen?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Dr. Wen does not appear to subscribe to the Grace Revision.

It’s easy because she’s only allowed to go so far: “ upgrade to surgicals for most of the population good”

“hey doc…but what about kids under 12 for whom they don’t have anything other than cloth masks”

“[sees angry tweets on her feed…takes call from fauci] I didn’t mean them. They should continue to use cloth masks”

“but you just said cloth masks are as good as facial decorations against the omicron. Do they somehow work now if you are under 12? Why you call them facial decorations if they work?”

crickets

“I don’t like it when you use logic against me.You are bending a distorting my words”

seriously do you ever hear yourself???

 

[crush]

Biden to announce support for hospitals, access to free COVID tests, vaccine availability amid omicron surge ((But the top Dems get Covid and not Omicron?))
Biden is expected to announce three steps he'll take to counter the omicron variant's spread

Across the country, schools are beginning to shift to remote learning, restaurants are closing their doors to the public, and events are once again being canceled as a result of the new omicron variant of the coronavirus. Broadway shows in New York City have been canceled, along with the Rockettes' "Christmas Spectacular" shows. The National Hockey League also announced a pause to its season.

Amid the surge in new cases, senior administration officials said the president on Tuesday will announce three steps to build on his previously announced winter plan ((of certain death for me and my family)).

As part of this effort, the president is set to direct Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin to mobilize 1,000 members of the military to deploy to overburdened hospitals in January and February in an effort to increase hospital capacity, and to provide critical supplies and materials needed to get more hospital beds online.

The president is also expected to ask ((command)) the Federal Emergency Management Agency to activate the National Response Coordination Center and to deploy FEMA planners to assess hospital needs.



Officials said the Biden administration will purchase half a billion rapid tests to be distributed to Americans—free of charge—and will set up a website where Americans can get an at-home COVID-19 test delivered for free. Officials said that system will be set up in January.

Officials said that testing in the United States is "a lot better than it was," but admitted that "there’s more to do."

"We’re taking action now," one official said.

"Listen to the advice from doctors: even if you’re fully vaccinated, you should wear a mask when indoors in a public setting," Biden tweeted. "It will help protect you and others—especially kids under 5 who can’t get vaccinated yet."

The president went on to thank frontline workers ((Except the one's who got fired already for not obeying orders)) for their work "after a painful and difficult two years," saying the nation owes them "a tremendous debt." ((You're Fired!!))

"I am once again asking for your strength, and I’ll never forget it," he tweeted, urging Americans to "get vaccinated, get boosted, wear a mask."

He added: "And keep the faith."

 

[espola]

You can't separate the $$$, Pfizer/others run a profitable business. You are being linear and maybe naive. Find a pharma rep and follow him/her around for a day or two.

From a treatment perspective, pills are easier. It's easier to send someone home with a script. Their doesn't appear to be any cultural aversion to them, which is silly. I haven't dug into the trials but apparetly the safety profile is pretty good. Has been good so far for MABs.

I think my position is pretty clear - comphrehensive approach to treating this disease. Healthcare is art and science. We are past the point of preventing transmission, have been for a while. We never really had a chance to prevent transmission. We though vaccines were the answer, and they were until they weren't. Lockdown, masks,social distancing didn't work...couldn't work. Current vaccine technology isn't going to do it, obvious to most.

Endemic is likley here. More data to come but so far so good. The bottom hasn't dropped out of SA, the UK data is still coming out. Plenty of people here in the US have likley contracted omicron and don't even know it. Boosters will help those most vulnerable, won't matter much for those not in that category. Besides, we should be focusing on why Fentanyl overdoses have killed more people aged 18 to 45 since 2020 than COVID, car accidents, and even suicides. An epidemic that has been glossed over by our beloved government. I have a bigger concern in tackling this than worrying about vaccines for the healthy 5-55 crowd. I haven't seen much spewing of the mouth from talking heads on how we combat this.

Those earlier attempts at control didn't work because of a large number of people who ignored, resisted, and rebelled against them. Covid doesn't care about your civil rights.

 

[Grace T.]

It’s easy because she’s only allowed to go so far: “ upgrade to surgicals for most of the population good”

“hey doc…but what about kids under 12 for whom they don’t have anything other than cloth masks”

“[sees angry tweets on her feed…takes call from fauci] I didn’t mean them. They should continue to use cloth masks”

“but you just said cloth masks are as good as facial decorations against the omicron. Do they somehow work now if you are under 12? Why you call them facial decorations if they work?”

crickets

“I don’t like it when you use logic against me.You are bending a distorting my words”

seriously do you ever hear yourself???

Ps here’s another little logic loop the health authorities have gotten themselves into. In the northeast they are just itching to at least delay the return of in person schools. emails have been disclosed online from various school districts to staff or parents warning about the possibility and to make necessary preparations

but the bars and restaurants are open…still packed. So you can’t justify to parents shutting down the lower risk schools (with the lower risk kids in them) while the bars and restaurants are open (particularly with theVirginia and New Jersey elections in the background). But you can’t shut down the bars and restaurants because they’ll come after you with the pitchforks (the schools are easier to shut down since you run them and the children don’t vote)

kinda reminiscent of California and the Disneyland rule. They kept making plans over and over again to “safely” reopen Disneyland but they couldn’t do it while schools were shut or in hybrid because you can’t have the optics of kids hanging out at Disney on a school day.

 

[crush]

Those earlier attempts at control didn't work because of a large number of people who ignored, resisted, and rebelled against them. JaCovid Witnesses don't care about your civil rights.

And neither do you. I fix it for you cheater. Man Espola, you are in dark dark place surrounded by the LIGHT now. It blows me away to see your trueself now. How do you sleep at night?

 

[Desert Hound]

“Thank you! I am just noticing that some people on Twitter are misinterpreting my comments to mean that mask mandates shouldn’t be in place in schools, which is not at all what I’m saying. Especially kids under 5–masks are one of few protective measures they have.”

Well she is not much of a doctor.

Why would I say that?

She talks about kids and masks as one of the few protective measures they have. The implication being they are at risk.

Kids have basically zero risk. They don't need masks, shots or social distancing. Deaths in the under 17 group to date are in the hundreds.

 

[crush]

Ps here’s another little logic loop the health authorities have gotten themselves into. In the northeast they are just itching to at least delay the return of in person schools. emails have been disclosed online from various school districts to staff or parents warning about the possibility and to make necessary preparations

but the bars and restaurants are open…still packed. So you can’t justify to parents shutting down the lower risk schools (with the lower risk kids in them) while the bars and restaurants are open (particularly with theVirginia and New Jersey elections in the background). But you can’t shut down the bars and restaurants because they’ll come after you with the pitchforks (the schools are easier to shut down since you run them and the children don’t vote)

kinda reminiscent of California and the Disneyland rule. They kept making plans over and over again to “safely” reopen Disneyland but they couldn’t do it while schools were shut or in hybrid because you can’t have the optics of kids hanging out at Disney on a school day.

I wish you all the best dealing with the beast. I applaud your efforts. I'm going all in before I leave so get the popcorn out. This will be a marathon of all marathons. I have to get everything I feel out on this message board. I have it all and I'm going to release the Kraken before I leave for good. I have never in my life been around a more selfish group of men in my life. Total losers who use kids, woman and men to further their sick agenda.

 

[espola]

Well she is not much of a doctor.

Why would I say that?

She talks about kids and masks as one of the few protective measures they have. The implication being they are at risk.

Kids have basically zero risk. They don't need masks, shots or social distancing. Deaths in the under 17 group to date are in the hundreds.

How much a doctor are you?

 

[Desert Hound]

And speaking of the tide turning...

NFL is changing its policy regarding Covid. They are starting to move on.

More and more of this is coming...which is about time. Society cannot remain in limbo wondering about the next variant around the corner and we cannot yet do this or that because something in the future might happen.

Reality is setting in for more and more people.

Pro athletes are the fittest human beings on the planet — and are dosed up with multiple vaccinations. Most are in their twenties. To call these protocols a “charade” would be a disservice to charades. Pro sports leagues, who have been playing for fifteen weeks to sold-out stadiums and arenas, with no mass breakouts of any kind, can and should develop the kind of common-sense measures that the NFL has adopted, and they should get their games on.
In fact, businesses, schools, universities, media companies and government agencies should all be adopting the NFL model: test the symptomatic and let them stay home. If people have no symptoms, especially professional athletes, then life has to find a way to return to normal. Omicron is here. The data shows that vaccination does not prevent infection, but rather means the illness manifests as a mild cold and cough.
The NFL model offers a path back to normalcy, out of the current media-driven malaise surrounding variants and never-ending permanent masking and lockdowns. Covid can be a tricky disease, but it’s not a death sentence for the young and relatively healthy. It’s something we are going to have to learn to live with, in life, in work, in service and in sports. Let them play.

Pro sports can lead us out of pandemic insanity

With the revelation that the Omicron variant can still infect a vaccinated person, pro sports should be rethinking their protocol systems

spectatorworld.com

 

[what-happened]

Sheep seems accurate for you.

Looks like both Husker and I chose to call your bluff. He asked for your data sources, I asked for your analysis. You replied to both, but provided neither data nor analysis.

You’re the second guy here to try the gambit of pretending to know things you don’t. Eventually, people realize you’re blowing smoke and put you on ignore.

the irony that you should label someone a sheep. What bluff are referring to? To continue to regurgitate meaningless data for you to analyze is silly and wasteful. What gambit? And what smoke?

Vaccines kinda work? Early treatment is a thing, mandates are challening - don't really work.

But you go ahead and stick to your data, shoving a square peg into a round hole.

 

[what-happened]

Those earlier attempts at control didn't work because of a large number of people who ignored, resisted, and rebelled against them. Covid doesn't care about your civil rights.

To some degree you are correct - healthy people will not 100% submit to quarantine and lockdowns, at least not in this country.

What many people like you dont' get is that the virus was circulating prior to lockdowns. It was already here..it's how virus's work.

 

[Grace T.]

And speaking of the tide turning...

NFL is changing its policy regarding Covid. They are starting to move on.

More and more of this is coming...which is about time. Society cannot remain in limbo wondering about the next variant around the corner and we cannot yet do this or that because something in the future might happen.

Reality is setting in for more and more people.

Pro sports can lead us out of pandemic insanity

With the revelation that the Omicron variant can still infect a vaccinated person, pro sports should be rethinking their protocol systems

spectatorworld.com

The Biden at home test plan crush just published also helps turn the tide. Those cases aren’t recorded. It means less testing with public health which can go into official tallies. It’s why they didn’t want to do it at first but now faced with “do something” picked this

 

[what-happened]

How much a doctor are you?

To continue the $$$ theme, that lady is all about making money, promoting her book. Her stance was popular 10 months ago. She's been cashing in.

 

[watfly]

How many would have been infected if none were vaccinated? Without that number, you can't judge its effectiveness.

Glad you don't make condoms...could you imagine "Espola's Willy Wrappers. We will stop some of your lil' swimmers. Guaranteed Sorta-Effective."

 

[kickingandscreaming]

It’s easy because she’s only allowed to go so far: “ upgrade to surgicals for most of the population good”

“hey doc…but what about kids under 12 for whom they don’t have anything other than cloth masks”

“[sees angry tweets on her feed…takes call from fauci] I didn’t mean them. They should continue to use cloth masks”

“but you just said cloth masks are as good as facial decorations against the omicron. Do they somehow work now if you are under 12? Why you call them facial decorations if they work?”

crickets

Cognitive dissonance. Also, as @Desert Hound points out, "protecting children" is just a fantasy made up by adults who are afraid - protected by facial decorations, no less. It's fascinating to watch how individual beliefs, faith really, allows people to twist anything to match those beliefs.