Vaccine

A new variant is spreading around the world and will be the predominant strain.

Better start freaking out again. Honey were is my useless mask? Should we distance even more?

I know our efforts haven't stopped any of the other strains...and this one could be the big one.

Or not.....

MSN

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Desert Hound said:
Listen to the fear peddled in this article.

Then think about what is happening so far.

- mild symptoms
- fewer hospitalizations compared to delta
- etc.

And with that in mind...read the article. They are acting as if the new variant soon to be dominant is terrible and big changes must be made.

https://apnews.com/article/health-new-york-syracuse-6686dfd1111baea6fb54791a26d232b4
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Presented by Moderna....

If you happened to catch the Suns game last night, how many times was that term used by the announcers?
 
Desert Hound said:
A new variant is spreading around the world and will be the predominant strain.

Better start freaking out again. Honey were is my useless mask? Should we distance even more?

I know our efforts haven't stopped any of the other strains...and this one could be the big one.

Or not.....

MSN

www.msn.com
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They know the symptoms are milder than Alpha or Delta.

The problem is the doubling time for cases. Omicron in Europe is doubling every 2-3 days instead of every 2-3 weeks.

This means the peak will get compressed into a much smaller time. If it ends up being a normal flu season, compressed into 2 weeks, that’s a real problem. Our health care system cannot handle an entire flu season compressed into 2 weeks.

UK is currently giving us a preview of what this means. We should know by early January whether it is a problem. If NHS has trouble keeping up, expect Watfly to be right that the CA mask mandate gets extended.
 
Was watching Bill Maher on with Chris C on CNN , not a fan of Chris C and Bill Maher seems more like a old time liberal.
But Bill was correct when he said "We were sick before we were sick" . 80 percent of deaths were people who were obese and with high blood pressure and diabetes or other as I call them first world diseases. God forbid someone gets told to lose weight, eat better and exercise . We promote plus size models now.

I pop in on this thread once and while so sorry if I am repeating something already hashed out . Writing this quickly as I prepare to double mask to pickup 3 large Fraps and a box of dozen doughnuts for our 3 person office
 
dad4 said:
They know the symptoms are milder than Alpha or Delta.

The problem is the doubling time for cases. Omicron in Europe is doubling every 2-3 days instead of every 2-3 weeks.

This means the peak will get compressed into a much smaller time. If it ends up being a normal flu season, compressed into 2 weeks, that’s a real problem. Our health care system cannot handle an entire flu season compressed into 2 weeks.

UK is currently giving us a preview of what this means. We should know by early January whether it is a problem. If NHS has trouble keeping up, expect Watfly to be right that the CA mask mandate gets extended.
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Of course we will look to the UK and Europs as opposed to SA. Much more panic coming from across the pond. SA is certainly seeing a steep increase in cases but severity of disease and hosptitalization aren't following suit. Yes, let's wait 2 weeks, then another 2 weeks.. then..well you get the point. And please don't rely on reporting from organziations external to SA. SA has been extremely transparent and honest on reporting severity of disease and case increase. SA is doing a good job so far in channeling their inner Aaron Rodgers.

Prevalence of natural immunity in SA likely is helping them, as is their low median age. We will see how this plays out and how much more panic we can generate here. Already seeing elective surgeries being postponed here in AZ across many health systems.

What percentage of flu stricken patients do you think are hospitalized every year? CDC has data but it's very, very broad and not well understood. Omicron appears to be more like the common cold than a debilating flu.
 
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LaTonya Bonseigneur, a first cousin who grew up with Thomas, so close they considered themselves siblings, told The Associated Press that the family believes he died from a seizure.

"He had been suffering from seizures for over a year, and we believe he had a seizure when he was showering," Bonseigneur said early Friday. "We're not sure when he died. We just spoke with him yesterday."
 
what-happened said:
Of course we will look to the UK and Europs as opposed to SA. Much more panic coming from across the pond. SA is certainly seeing a steep increase in cases but severity of disease and hosptitalization aren't following suit. Yes, let's wait 2 weeks, then another 2 weeks.. then..well you get the point. And please don't rely on reporting from organziations external to SA. SA has been extremely transparent and honest on reporting severity of disease and case increase. SA is doing a good job so far in channeling their inner Aaron Rodgers.

Prevalence of natural immunity in SA likely is helping them, as is their low median age. We will see how this plays out and how much more panic we can generate here. Already seeing elective surgeries being postponed here in AZ across many health systems.

What percentage of flu stricken patients do you think are hospitalized every year? CDC has data but it's very, very broad and not well understood. Omicron appears to be more like the common cold than a debilating flu.
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What makes you think omicron has multiple 2 week windows in it? Doubling time is too short for that. What ever it is or isn’t, it should have quieted down well before Valentine’s Day.

Which is both good and bad. Over quickly, but not much time to change course if your initial policy fails.
 
watfly said:
My neck of the woods.
www.kusi.com

Mayor Bill Wells: City of El Cajon will not enforce statewide mask mandate -

EL CAJON (KUSI) – Citing a sharp increase in COVID-19 infection rates since Thanksgiving, the state announced Monday that beginning Wednesday, mask- wearing will become mandatory in all indoor public settings across California regardless of vaccination status. The mask mandate, mirroring a...
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I know this puts Covidians knickers in a wad, but he is not banning masks. He is simply putting the decision back in the hands of businesses and individuals. If your uncomfortable going into a business that doesn't require masks, then don't go in. And on the flipside, if you don't want to support a business that requires masks, then don't. It's really that simple, its personal choice regardless of politics. If the left wasn't so dedicated to promoting a victim mentality this wouldn't even be an issue.

Personally, I'll support a business either way.
 
watfly said:
I know this puts Covidians knickers in a wad, but he is not banning masks. He is simply putting the decision back in the hands of businesses and individuals. If your uncomfortable going into a business that doesn't require masks, then don't go in. And on the flipside, if you don't want to support a business that requires masks, then don't. It's really that simple, its personal choice regardless of politics. If the left wasn't so dedicated to promoting a victim mentality this wouldn't even be an issue.

Personally, I'll support a business either way.
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Not really bro. The sad truth is business owners and their employees are now being asked to enforce a mandate that is not a law and is 100% against personal rights. I know someone who know someone who was told that he would be fired December 23rd if he didnt submit to ALL the shots and future boosters. He lost his shit at work and freaked everyone out. The owner didnt know what to do. He called her Hitler and all sorts of names. This was a month ago. Dude never got the shot and owner is now working on a better approach and told him to just keep it under the low. So she is making others take the Jab but this guy lost his marbles and their letting him stay and no jab. You see how this works? This was not in CA btw. This is truly all about division and I'm really sad for all of us on whatever side your on. So sad :( I feel for all the managers who not only have to deal the youth of today but also all the fear and enforcements. My empathy to everyone :) I will wear mask after today if asked to. I'm at work at a diner that is not enforcing me or anyone to wear a mask. They are all masked up though and I feel sad for the workers an managers and all of us.
 
watfly said:
I know this puts Covidians knickers in a wad, but he is not banning masks. He is simply putting the decision back in the hands of businesses and individuals. If your uncomfortable going into a business that doesn't require masks, then don't go in. And on the flipside, if you don't want to support a business that requires masks, then don't. It's really that simple, its personal choice regardless of politics. If the left wasn't so dedicated to promoting a victim mentality this wouldn't even be an issue.

Personally, I'll support a business either way.
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The purpose of the mask mandate is to limit the size of a holiday delta spike. You can’t really make that decision on a city by city basis. Extra cases from transmission in El Cajon will clearly affect cases and bed availability in La Mesa. The cities in each region need to be on the same page.

It’s a fair argument that the state ought to let large counties or regions choose their own path. But delegating communicable disease policy to the personal level is just silly- in the same way that letting each person write their own fire code would be silly.
 
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