Vaccine

Hüsker Dü said:
Says the poster holding up the children as shields in front of them to excuse their actions that circumvent attempts to “lessen the curve” . . . and if you see yourself in the generational description I laid out that is on you. I merely stated what seems to be a trend without saying you were guilty. You are the one that labeled me in the way you felt you wanted to.
You call troll, but you are the biggest troll in here right now. We are all trolling as I have said before, but some of us realize that. You seem to think you have some higher purpose in here as you call names and post garbage info.
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That’s a real poor attempt at some first class gaslighting buddy. A troll calling the troll smasher a troll. Cute but as I said before espola does it better. And when you fight for your own kids you are using them as shields (way to ape me…remind us again what kids you have playing soccer???)

here’s the difference between us: my rule is rock solid…I never initiate an attack…I only respond like to like. And as to info…yeah I know…the covidians only like experts that confirm their own world views. I got it.
 
Grace T. said:
That’s a real poor attempt at some first class gaslighting buddy. A troll calling the troll smasher a troll. Cute but as I said before espola does it better. And when you fight for your own kids you are using them as shields (way to ape me…remind us again what kids you have playing soccer???)

here’s the difference between us: my rule is rock solid…I never initiate an attack…I only respond like to like. And as to info…yeah I know…the covidians only like experts that confirm their own world views. I got it.
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Grace, there are not a lot of experts who agree with your world view:

Masks don’t do anything. Virus gonna virus, and it’s all baked in, so there is no point in trying to reduce the spread of the virus.

These are not mainstream views. These are not fringe scientific views.

These are social media rants from people who dislike having restrictions. The logic is no deeper than “I like restaurants, therefore restaurants can’t be the problem.”

Then you search the literature for anything which can be represented or misrepresented as supporting the original rant.
 
Brav520 said:
Has Alec Baldwin still killed more people than Omicron has in US?
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I have no idea. Check this fact out. It took 666 days to go from Delta to Omicron. No joke. It will be their down fall. Jan 30, 2020-Nov 26, 2021. They have to show their cards for all to see and then for all to decide which side of history they would like to stand for. The "Eye" is watching. Never in the history of the world have we lived as such a time as this. EVERYONE is compromised. Nothing is hidden, nothing!!! Fess up and come clean and change for the good or hide and divide and hate people. It's insane yet a wild roller coaster of emotion.
 
dad4 said:
Grace, there are not a lot of experts who agree with your world view:

Masks don’t do anything. Virus gonna virus, and it’s all baked in, so there is no point in trying to reduce the spread of the virus.

These are not mainstream views. These are not fringe scientific views.

These are social media rants from people who dislike having restrictions. The logic is no deeper than “I like restaurants, therefore restaurants can’t be the problem.”

Then you search the literature for anything which can be represented or misrepresented as supporting the original rant.
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1. Again misleading on my position
2. I’ve posted a ton of experts here. Even the Gbd are experts
3. Most of even the European establishment experts don’t agree with vaccinating and masking kids. On those you are in the minority
4. But we know your Schtick: you support the establishmentarian experts that agree with you and your religion…you declare those that don’t heretics and not real experts.
 
Grace T. said:
1. Again misleading on my position
2. I’ve posted a ton of experts here. Even the Gbd are experts
3. Most of even the European establishment experts don’t agree with vaccinating and masking kids. On those you are in the minority
4. But we know your Schtick: you support the establishmentarian experts that agree with you and your religion…you declare those that don’t heretics and not real experts.
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Bingo!!!
 
Hmmm…inflation at record numbers in November and the ds on the generic ballot under 10 points (the largest spread since 1994). The nose dive gets baked in by March/April at the latest. at that point retirements take hold, primaries are underway, money has been allocated, most trends set barring a major unexpected event. The political trends from Virginia are accelerating and the omicron and infrastructure spend are only going to accelerate the economic issue. Trump probably did himself a favor by losing. Whoever was in charge of this phase of covid (largely through factors beyond their control) was going to get blasted into the wilderness. politically the ds are in a hard place: there’s still a very vocal segment that leans into zero covid (at least in the back of their mind, however eventually…including some influential groups like teachers unions and lefty journos) and there’s no way to jettison them without undermining the base. Rock/hard place. The silver lining is there is an off ramp: if the ds get slaughtered and go into the wilderness for 4 years (perhaps at this point even a generation) covid ends. The ds silver lining is that barring a major health incident, at this point we are looking at trump pulling a Grover Cleveland and its becoming almost inevitable.
 
The last two years have been so hard on many: Poor mom & pop small business folks and self employed folks ((critical thinkers and most likely conservative and won't take jab)) who took a big hit and lost everything because of many factors the last two years. These are the same people who are now paying high price inflation for basics like food and gas. These mother assholes want us to kneel and beg for a job and the right to be normal asses. Good luck finding a place to rent. Rent is up 25% and mom & pop have no way to make a buck unless they go work at one big box retail with a "help wanted" signs down the street. The rich and those who can ride this out really dont give a shit for other people because their swimming in the same shit and dont give a shit. "With the measure you sure against other humans, that measure will be used against you." TGIFF!!!

US inflation surges to 39-year high as consumer prices soar
It was the fastest pace in nearly four decades
 
Breaking ... Lisa Hanson, a cafe owner in Minnesota, has been sentenced to 90 days in jail and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine after she continued operating her cafe in defiance of the governor’s 2020 lockdowns.

“You were a public risk because you kept your business open,” the judge said.

- Yet Walmart, Target and every big corporation (who donates big money to Politicians) were allowed to stay open. Banana Republic !!!
 
Grace T. said:
1. Again misleading on my position
2. I’ve posted a ton of experts here. Even the Gbd are experts
3. Most of even the European establishment experts don’t agree with vaccinating and masking kids. On those you are in the minority
4. But we know your Schtick: you support the establishmentarian experts that agree with you and your religion…you declare those that don’t heretics and not real experts.
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Misleading? Those were quotes.

Not one time quotes, either. Those were things you repeated several times each.

If you don’t mean to say something, don’t say it.
 
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"The times are too grave, the challenge too urgent, and the stakes too high — to permit the customary passions of political debate. We are not here to curse the darkness, but to light the candle that can guide us through that darkness to a safe and sane future." –JFK
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dad4 said:
Misleading? Those were quotes.

Not one time quotes, either. Those were things you repeated several times each.

If you don’t mean to say something, don’t say it.
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no you are just out and out lying and/or taking statements out of context.

you know my position on masks. I've repeated it several times. I think masks help on a micro level, particularly with limited time exposures. on a macro level I think there are too many factors that degrade their usefulness (people not wearing them properly, build up of viruses on the surface, poor cloth masks, repeated use of masks, the fact most transmissions are at home or at prolonged exposures like work). I think on a macro basis indoor masking (outdoor masking I've said was foolish since March 2020) helped a little bit against the prime (I pinned the number at probably a 15% reduction in overall cases), degrading against the alpha, doesn't do much against the delta. I thought it was foolish for the government to rely on cloth masks, gaiters and bandanas initially and should have put money into producing N95s (a position you came around to agree with).

As to virus is going to virus, I told you that with the exception of vaccines, the NPIs didn't do much (a position which has been upheld in several studies and expert conclusions which you dismiss because they run against your dogma) and that the economy couldn't be held in lockdown forever without collapsing. As to vaccines, I've been very supportive (despite the problems), initially supported a state/employer/school mandate (though I admit lukewarmly) but reversed when the vaccines were shown not as advertised. I said there was not much any of this (short of a bullet proof vaccine) could do to control the virus, and lo and behold 2 years later no country on earth (with the exception of Japan where something weird is going on) and Taiwan (which has kept out the delta) has been able to do it, not even your preferred authoritarian solution of Oz, NZ and (at least not perfectly) China.

It's a sure fire sign you are losing the argument when you have to resort to mischaracterizing your opponents statements and/or outright out and out lying.
 
crush said:
Espola thinks that since he had to hide under his desk from nukes in grade school and had to stay on a ship in his teen years, that our kids are big babies.
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double vexed and boosted, for a virus where what , 99% survive ( maybe higher). Then these people want everyone else to do the same so that they feel SAFE....Yeah, maybe the ESPOLAs of the world are the ones with the serious problems
 
True...the red line for the public is 4 shots...they are never going to get the public on board with it. But mandating boosters is a very heavy lift. Nice of the Biden admin BTW, to by pass the expert panel on boosters for 16-17 year olds...guess they are getting tired of the critiques coming out of the panels.

www.bloomberg.com

It’s Far Too Early for Covid Booster Mandates

Requiring extra shots would needlessly strain public trust in vaccination.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
 
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