There's not a whole lot more you can do about it in a western nation, given what we've done to this particular points (lots a woulda coulda shoulda though). If boosters are required, even more unlikely you ever get there. If repeated boosters are required, forget it...it's over.
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There's not a whole lot more you can do about it in a western nation, given what we've done to this particular points (lots a woulda coulda shoulda though). If boosters are required, even more unlikely you ever get there. If repeated boosters are required, forget it...it's over.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Ok, definitely my misunderstanding of what you were implying.
From my perspective, any definition of herd immunity should be based on what was normal behavior before the pandemic.
Desert Hound
DA
You did miss the point.
VT has the highest cases they ever have had since the beginning of this.
The point is the vaxx is not stopping the spread of the virus. If it did, in a state with the highest vax rate, they would not or should not be experiencing their highest spike in cases.
I’d certainly prefer we all choose a 95% vax rate, upgraded ventilation, and cloth masks for flu season. A lot fewer deaths that way.
But that’s not the path we picked. We chose a 60% vax rate, existing ventilation, and no masks. So we will get annual case and death spikes every winter, whatever is needed to create enough natural immunity to balance things out.
Dr. Fraud wants to make things very simple for everyone. If you got the jabs, you need to get the booster after 6 months of the 2nd jab. He thinks booster for a while and is not sure when normal will be back. Simple is simple. He said nothing about the religious folks and Native Americans who strongly hold to ancient believe that nothing impure can enter one's blood and no one can do experiment on another human without authorization and consent by the one being experimented on. Two way agreement has to enforced.
“the highest case rate they have ever had.“. That is a meaningless phrase. It sounds like it makes a point, but it doesn’t.
My 3 year old nephew is the tallest he has ever been. That doesn’t make him tall.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Doesn't your preferred scenario depend on the assumption that the flu wouldn't mutate to be more highly infectious - as COVID has? By wearing masks all the time, don't we create an environment that promotes the growth of highly aerosolized viruses? By reducing the number of illnesses each year, don't we also put ourselves in a position where our natural immunity is lower as a population and more susceptible to a catastrophically large outbreak when a virus finds a way? I just wonder how much of this we can actually control - beyond the moment. It reminds me a little of the Trolley dilemma @Grace T. brought up earlier. My current thoughts are that I am now a bigger proponent of antivirals and not as big a proponent of vaccines as I was at the beginning of the pandemic. I am not anti-Vax - at least by my definition of anti-Vax - but my position has definitely moved.
The parents who track each milestone on the wall, not to mention probably most proud 3 years olds, would disagree the new milestone is meaningless.
mine too. I was a few months ago open to the idea of adult state and local mandates (opposed to kids and federal). I don't really see the point now.
Bruddah IZ
DA
That herd is at about 8 billion today. Please continue.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Ok, so I am not getting my COVID booster today. I got an email stating it had been 6 months and boosters were available. Evidently, further down the page, there is a list that identifies those "eligible". I didn't fall into any of the categories. I found this out when they called and asked, "Why are you getting a COVID booster?" So, I'll get my flu shot. Maybe I'll ask for some horse paste to go - just in case.
Bruddah IZ
DA
My Buddy Steve got the JJ jab in May 2021 and COVID last month: They treated him with the following:
Covid drugs & other
- Solu-medrol injection and
- Ivermectin tablets 10/Daily. 7 days
- Monoclonal injection 1 time
- NAC 1/daily. 14 days
- Hydroxychloroquine 2/daily. 7 day.
- Prednisone 2/daily. 7 days.
- Azithromycin 1/daily. 7 days
- Bayer aspirin 1/Daily 10 days (not prescription)
- Zinc. 1/daily 10 days (not prescription)
- Vitamin C (not prescription)
- Vitamin D3 (not prescription)
- Nebulizer, Ipratropium Bromide & Albuterol Sulfate 3-4/daily 7 days.
- Oxygen tank for whenever I want.
Quite the arsenal post-vax.
Bruddah IZ
DA
See list above
Bruddah IZ
DA
Just like your case hyping.
I think it’s the reverse. A higher transmissibility variant (flu or covid) will always have a competitive advantage. The question is how often that happens.
Mutation rates depend on the amount of virus in circulation. Choosing the low vax path means we are choosing to have more virus in circulation, and this a higher mutation rate.
You always overlook the world on this. Only a little more than 50% of the world has gotten a single jab. Of those, some of the vaccines are problematic even before declining immunity. Some nations (including some from where the USA and Poland are currently having immigration issues) have very low rates and some in Africa don't even approach 1%. Some, like in Russia with their own decent Sputnik vaccine, unless the government suddenly decides to crack down, are going to have high rates of refusal. Unless you have some global solution that addresses China, Russia, India and Africa, you are always going to have a lot of room for mutations, at least for another year and a half or so, and that's before we even get to boosters.
Bruddah IZ
DA
I'm glad I got the viral update that evolved with the virus unlike the MRNa shots. The COVID anti bodies are still on patrol according to my last blood test. A good diet and exercise has always been a plus. Nobody is choosing a low vax path. The tyrannical and socialist mandates that you approve of are unconstitutional. They take away our right to due process and our rights to freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Doesn’t the amount of virus in circulation also depend on the current level of natural immunity as well as immunity due to vaccines? Vaccines will always be “behind” a mutating virus. I can see vaccines not only flattening the curve but also lengthening it. As the curve lengthens, immunity from vaccines wanes. Are we confident the area under the curve is less for the lengthened curve? I don’t believe the answer is straightforward in a mutating virus.
Desert Hound
DA
Billions of people will never get vaxxed. Poor and corrupt countries pretty much guarantee this happening.
There will always be a vast pool of people where the virus can do its thing so to speak.
what-happened
GOLD
Just remember to adjust dosage for body weight - you'll be fine.
Desert Hound
DA
Good news.
www.washingtontimes.com
OSHA has ‘suspended activities’ related to Biden’s vaccine mandate
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration has suspended work on President Biden’s vaccine mandate after a federal appeals court hit pause on rules that would force companies with 100 or more employees to require COVID-19 shots or regular testing.
www.washingtontimes.com