Vaccine

dad4 said:
Learn the definition first.

Then think about what happens when you change behavior or change the disease.

Singapore's recent case rates are completely consistent with a place which was herd immune, then experienced a change to R.

It definitely is not proof that herd immunity is somehow impossible.
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Definitions. Plural. Espola's in particular is technically correct also but very cute.

You are proposing a floating one keyed to your old favorite R. 1. That's not what Fauci's definition means (his was keyed to zero COVID though he has since revised it as in the interview outlined about, 2. if it's keyed to behavior it's not herd immunity...any definition to obtain general acceptance requires going back to pre-COVID, not a new normal however much of a paradise that new normal is for people like how., 3. It's not proof...I still think it might be possible with natural immunity but I'm open to Dr. John's idea that it's not....but it's a damn good evidence that masks + vaccination doesn't get us there.
 
Grace T. said:
p.s. the Chinese have been o.k. with forcibly sticking stuff up people's butt, welding people into their homes, and separating parents and children, but dogs are where the population finally draws the line??? ^\_(;?)_/^
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I had to laugh but I always come back to the fact that it's hard to hate a good dog. They always love their owner and never tell them that they are wrong no matter how big a jackass the owner happens to be. Although, we did see the "confused" dog in Australia that correctly identified the unjustified aggression. Yeah, that's just another reason to draw the line at dogs ;).
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I had to laugh but I always come back to the fact that it's hard to hate a good dog. They always love their owner and never tell them that they are wrong no matter how big a jackass the owner happens to be. Although, we did see the "confused" dog in Australia that correctly identified the unjustified aggression. Yeah, that's just another reason to draw the line at dogs ;).
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I love that dog.

My dog by contrast is an ass that always tells me I'm wrong and almost got me tasered because of his behavior.
 
Well, I get my Covid booster tomorrow and flu shot on Saturday. For some strange reason, it took over 15 minutes to set up the appointments last week. They allow getting both at the same time if you can find a spot that does both and has openings. It didn't help that CA hasn't approved mixing vaccines yet so I had to get a Pfizer booster. I was actually hoping to get a Moderna booster so @watfly couldn't keep holding it over my head that his vaccine is better than mine. Not really but it would have been sooner and at the same time if they would have allowed me to take Moderna.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The point is, dismissing others health concerns is nonsensical, ignorant and arrogant. As long as what you do isn’t harming others have at it. Better safe than sorry. I find doomsday preppers as a bit off but hey to each his/her own.
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What’s horrifying about calls to bar unvaccinated five year olds from public spaces is the fact that this is being done to assauge the irrational anxieties of middle-aged adults.
 
Grace T. said:
The thing that cuts against that argument is that Singapore has a substantial Arab and Indian Subcontinent population as well, particularly in the underclasses. The thing that cuts against dad4's mask argument is that Singapore is pretty much a police state that can enforce its restrictions and it's vaxx requirements with little dissent...and yet they still had an outbreak.
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Get caned or get vaxxed? That would probably achieve the behavior that Dad approves of.
 
That is what you could soon be seeing when trying to purchase an airline ticket...

If House Reolution 4980 passes in Congress.

What would you do if you could no longer travel on the airlines?

Would you still be able to see your family?

How much extra time, risk, and expense would you incur if you were forced to drive across the country instead?

This could soon be a reality if House Resolution 4980 passes and becomes law.

What’s it all about?

This inhumane bill would require any passenger on an airline to be v@((!ned against C0V!D.

Even if they’re just flying one state away...

Worse, the bill includes this ominous ending, “And for other purposes”...

What does that even mean?!

Our right as citizens permits us to assume the privileges and immunities of that state.

And case law has long dictated the freedom for citizens to travel between states.

But this discriminatory, unconstitutional, and even unscientific bill threatens our freedom.

Make no bones about it - What’s being mandated here is still an experimental medical procedure.

The scariest part about this bill…

ALMOST NONE OF THE PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT IT!

It’s been queitly worked through congress to keep it on the down low.


Sponsor:https://ritchietorres.house.gov; https://case.house.gov/ ; https://kahele.house.gov
 
Grace T. said:
Definitions. Plural. Espola's in particular is technically correct also but very cute.

You are proposing a floating one keyed to your old favorite R. 1. That's not what Fauci's definition means (his was keyed to zero COVID though he has since revised it as in the interview outlined about, 2. if it's keyed to behavior it's not herd immunity...any definition to obtain general acceptance requires going back to pre-COVID, not a new normal however much of a paradise that new normal is for people like how., 3. It's not proof...I still think it might be possible with natural immunity but I'm open to Dr. John's idea that it's not....but it's a damn good evidence that masks + vaccination doesn't get us there.
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Herd immunity is inherently tied to environment and behavior. Simple example:

You have 400 head of cattle in a pasture. No problem. One catches a cold now and then, but it never gets far. That is herd immunity.

Then winter comes and all 400 are crammed into a barn. Guess what? A third of them are now sick because you just lost your herd immunity.

MOO!
 
dad4 said:
Herd immunity is inherently tied to environment and behavior. Simple example:

You have 400 head of cattle in a pasture. No problem. One catches a cold now and then, but it never gets far. That is herd immunity.

Then winter comes and all 400 are crammed into a barn. Guess what? A third of them are now sick because you just lost your herd immunity.

MOO!
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you are a smart guy so I got to believe you aren’t that thick. Your example is not an example of the type of herd immunity people are talking about which in even faucis dialogue refers to one of two things: a) the point where enough of the population is immune that covid stops circulating or b) the point where there are no more spikes irrespective of circumstances (it’s endemic with Spain over the late summer being the last example). You may be free to use your own definition because there are several others (like espolas) but that’s not what the authorities are talking about. If you can’t cram 100 cows in the barn in winter and that’s the normal condition of the cows you haven’t hit herd immunity. That’s why fauci and the cdc this weekend backed off the idea that herd immunity was possible

but let’s assume arguendo we are in a topsey turvey world and go with your definition. You’ve only shown environment affects the threshold in your example. The cows themselves had no say on whether to go in the barn or not…and if they didn’t go in the barn in the Minnesota winter they’d freeze to death…that’s not behavior it’s their state of being. Moreover it’s a cold which has normal ebb and seasonal flows…not an epidemic spike which is where the concerns are.
 
Grace T. said:
you are a smart guy so I got to believe you aren’t that thick. Your example is not an example of the type of herd immunity people are talking about which in even faucis dialogue refers to one of two things: a) the point where enough of the population is immune that covid stops circulating or b) the point where there are no more spikes irrespective of circumstances (it’s endemic with Spain over the late summer being the last example). You may be free to use your own definition because there are several others (like espolas) but that’s not what the authorities are talking about. If you can’t cram 100 cows in the barn in winter and that’s the normal condition of the cows you haven’t hit herd immunity. That’s why fauci and the cdc this weekend backed off the idea that herd immunity was possible

but let’s assume arguendo we are in a topsey turvey world and go with your definition. You’ve only shown environment affects the threshold in your example. The cows themselves had no say on whether to go in the barn or not…and if they didn’t go in the barn in the Minnesota winter they’d freeze to death…that’s not behavior it’s their state of being. Moreover it’s a cold which has normal ebb and seasonal flows…not an epidemic spike which is where the concerns are.
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The cold is not at herd immunity under either definition of that’s what’s happening (unlike say measles small pox or even certain Entero viruses)
 
Grace T. said:
1. Even Fauci is off zero covid/herd immunity. Guess dad4 is anti-science.
2. fully vaccinated is going to mean boosters. he's saying as much.
3. he's talking out his ass and guessing. there's no data yet to support how long the booster immune response lasts.
4. It's possible repeated booster would be needed to get long lasting protection
5. I know now several people who have been boosted. Many of them have had rough side effects (not debilitating but unpleasant). I think this is their last bite at the apple. Other than the elderly and immunocompromised, a significant amount of the people I've asked about this said it makes them feel so bad they are NOT doing this every 6 months. If they try and force it, I think we get significant civil unrest.
6. He's an arrogant ass that's bad at his job. If Biden wants to save his presidency and reset the COVID response, he has to throw Fauci (deservedly or not deservedly) under the bus and reset.

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Listen to what Tony had to say back when AIDS was coming out and what kind of experiments he was doing on foster kids in NY. This guy will go down as the biggest loser ever and mass killer. Just wait folks, Dr Fraud will be xposed.
 
Grace T. said:
1. All life is high school. Everyone is a judge. You are one of the most judgmental people on these forums...pot, meet kettle.
2. Shallow. Hardly. There is nothing shallow in logic.
3. Judgmental. Absolutely. Again, what forum have you been hanging out with. And again, pot, meet kettle.
4. Gossip. Nope. It's out in the open.
5. And what exactly are you doing with this little turn of phrase. Everything you hate is just a mirror reflection of yourself. Hope you like the view!
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Great takes Grace T!!!
 
So today it looks like this: No jab, no job. No Jab, No School for kids. No Jab, no college soccer. No Jab, no flying. No jab, no entry. No booster, not fully Jabbed. No Mask, no entry. These people are nuts and insane and some of the most selfish and scared folks I have ever met. This shit is all supported by Husker Du, Espola, Dad and many other assholes who have enjoyed all the great things life can buy and they dont want others to take part in life's riches and glory unless they kneel and take injections from those WHO tell them what to do. The days of cheating, pay to play and keeping others from true freedom will come to an end, I just dont know when. I told my dd last year if people are getting fired for not rolling up their sleeves, well then you will be banned from going to college and playing soccer and flying. As long as the fence sitters sit on their asses and watch our country being taken over, this will only get worse. Calling all woke fence sitters. Wake your asses up. This is not a drill. People have lost everything, kids have to take jab to go to school and wear a stupid mask and people are getting injured and are dying because of it.
 
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The Plays from their Play Book is so easy to read. I don;t even need a play book. Soon and very soon this will start flipping the right way. Truth always wins :)

Hospitals in Michigan and Minnesota on Tuesday reported a wave of COVID-19 patients not seen in months as beds were filled with unvaccinated people and health care leaders warned that staff were being worn down by yet another surge.

Michigan had slightly more than 3,000 COVID-19 patients in hospitals this week, the first time it had crossed that threshold since spring, while nearly all hospital beds were occupied in Minnesota. Both held the unflattering rank of national virus hotspots.

New Case of Virus Waves hitting are Hot Spots around the USA!!!! Corona, Delta and their cousins are coming to a wave near you this Winter. These waves bring surges as well so make sure to get jabbed twice and get as many boosters as possible. The more boosters, the closer to normal you will find yourself and if that doesn't work, make sure to blame it on the unvaccinated. They already said this will be a tough Xmas. 40% of Santa's work shop is sitting out in da ocean. Shop early folks. Whacky Wednesday is here and boy this is getting intense. Abraham Lincoln spoke at Gettysburg on my bday Nov 19th to address the folks. Full moon too this Friday. I'm so stoked I get to witness all this amazing super really cool transformation of serious power taken away from assholes. Oh boy I can;t wait to watch.
 
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