MicPaPa
GOLD
Stage 1: Denial and Isolation
Vaccine
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The difference is the natural state of things is to be exposed to viruses. There is no natural state of things where you are exposed to a vaccine. It’s a bit of a trolley problem.
But it’s an impure trolley problem because the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from catching the disease. If the studies are right, The breakthroughs are high enough that vaccine herd immunity is impossible and natural herd immunity might be our only option. Not catching the virus is likely not an option on the table.
and it’s funny you are the one mentioning cost/benefits when you’ve fought doing that analysis at every turn
what-happened
GOLD
Sometmes you are your own echo chamber. You are certainly consistent with your message. Unfortunately your zero tolerance approach isn't popular and isn't reasonable. Your own country is 75% fully vaccinated and 80% 1st dose. Pretty good. I suspect the majority of those unvaccinated are in the 12-17 age group. For all of CA, roughly 1/3 of that age group hasn't been vaccinated. Your county is probably nearly the same. Go and live it up, you are in a safe bubble where you live.
Vaccinating age groups that are low risk is silly and a waste of time and resources. Around 7K people have died due to breakthrough cases. It's going to continue to happen. I expect that number to increase as vaccines wane, boosters are neglected, and people who are vaccine brave continue to spread the virus. As we learn more about the virus it becomes even more clear who's really at risk. Many are starting to see this as a vascular disease rather than a respiratory disease. Makes sense really based on the demographic that is most susceptible.
If you really want to help, saddle up and take part in a vaccine marketing campaign in hispanic and black neighorhoods. Each group is sitting on close to 50% still not vaccinated. There is your community spread. The numbers have gotten better but they certainly have room to grow. I would wager that everyone or close to it on this forum is fully vaccinated.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
There is no forced exposure. You have a choice. Stay inside and order delivery. My choice was to get the vaccine and get back to a reasonably normal life. Although, I am still pissed at about my exposure to that butterfly in China that caused my little league game to be rained out. We get exposed to things every day due to our interactions - and some are not good things. Sensible people call that "life" and deal with it as best they can because they realize trying to control others is a losing proposition. The problem with those in your room is that they completely ignore ANY effects other than COVID. You say we don't admit an issue exists and I say you only see one issue. All of life's decisions are made through the lens of COVID. Children in NorCal bear an inordinate burden
in part, due to the ridiculously overestimated risk by adults which drives fear and anxiety.
U.S. Adults' Estimates of COVID-19 Hospitalization Risk
Americans' estimates of both the risk of hospitalization due to COVID-19 and the efficacy of the vaccine for the disease vary widely by their political affiliation and vaccination status.
news.gallup.com
"Long Covid" will be a much smaller problem than the long-term effects of overblown fear and anxiety of Covid. There are going to be many, many broken people who never had a serious case of COVID.
So, yes, I see the issue of potentially having more infections but that's not the only issue I see.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
It used to!
Yes, exactly. You do know what it means!
Odd… others here have been speaking about the ‘costs’ for some time. I’d spam quote the thread from all the times costs have been brought up, but that’s EOTL’s thing and I think that behavior should be banned from the forum, even in off topic.
I don’t think I can help you, but Grace would recommend looking for your glasses.
Word salad.
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Bruddah IZ
DA
"Self-frightened elites seem to think they can remedy their lack of credibility .. by simply amping up the volume on the scare machine. I suspect they might be in for a bigger response than they ever imagined."
They’re all around us, especially those of us who live in relatively prosperous metropolitan neighborhoods in the US or Western Europe. Despite being—at least in material terms—among the most fortunate people who have ever walked the earth, they are very scared. And they want you to be very frightened too.
Indeed, many of them see your refusal to be as frightened as they are about life’s inevitable risks as a grave problem which entitles them and their often powerful and influential fellow travelers to recur to all manner of authoritarian practices to insure that you adhere to their increasingly neurotic view of reality.
This tendency has been in full bloom lately as the people who have sat safely behind their laptops during the last 20 months have harangued and threatened those who have been out on job sites and meatpacking plants mixing freely with others and the virus, to internalize their own obsessions.
And when these supposedly ignorant others—whose storehouse of empirical evidence about the dangers of the virus easily outstrips that of the laptoppers—refuse to buckle to the demand to be scared, they are met with all sorts of opprobrium.
Viewed in historical terms, it’s an odd phenomenon.
For most of recorded time prosperity and education have been the gateway to a life of relative freedom from worry. But now, the people who most enjoy these benefits are, it seems, wracked with anxiety and, in the not infrequent way of many people suffering that plague, and hellbent on sharing their misery with others.
The point here is not to belittle the very real costs of anxiety in the lives of many people, nor to dismiss it as a real public health concern. Rather, it is to ask how and why it is proliferating so rapidly among those who, at least on the surface, have less reason than the vast majority of their fellow human beings to suffer from it.
There are, I think, a number of possible explanations.
They’re all around us, especially those of us who live in relatively prosperous metropolitan neighborhoods in the US or Western Europe. Despite being—at least in material terms—among the most fortunate people who have ever walked the earth, they are very scared. And they want you to be very frightened too.
Indeed, many of them see your refusal to be as frightened as they are about life’s inevitable risks as a grave problem which entitles them and their often powerful and influential fellow travelers to recur to all manner of authoritarian practices to insure that you adhere to their increasingly neurotic view of reality.
This tendency has been in full bloom lately as the people who have sat safely behind their laptops during the last 20 months have harangued and threatened those who have been out on job sites and meatpacking plants mixing freely with others and the virus, to internalize their own obsessions.
And when these supposedly ignorant others—whose storehouse of empirical evidence about the dangers of the virus easily outstrips that of the laptoppers—refuse to buckle to the demand to be scared, they are met with all sorts of opprobrium.
Viewed in historical terms, it’s an odd phenomenon.
For most of recorded time prosperity and education have been the gateway to a life of relative freedom from worry. But now, the people who most enjoy these benefits are, it seems, wracked with anxiety and, in the not infrequent way of many people suffering that plague, and hellbent on sharing their misery with others.
The point here is not to belittle the very real costs of anxiety in the lives of many people, nor to dismiss it as a real public health concern. Rather, it is to ask how and why it is proliferating so rapidly among those who, at least on the surface, have less reason than the vast majority of their fellow human beings to suffer from it.
There are, I think, a number of possible explanations.
They scared. When you sit and talk to one of them you soon realize the virus of fear has them and no jab or booster can fix fear. To help those like Dad, you will soon be able to mix up your Boosters.
Hey Bruddah, I was having a debate the other day with a Dad4 type of dad. He thinks he's a local from CA. Fact is, dude moved here from Boston 15 years ago. He acts like he's lived in South OC his whole life. He is a poser and one big fake. Anyway, he told me I should move out of the State if I wont submit to the double shots and boosters for life. I gave him the truth from my soul and he 100% put his hands over his ears and started to yell, I kid you not. I spoke truth and he could not handle the truth. These men and their fear is the problem.
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Poor kids man. I'm shocked fathers stand around with their hands in their pockets as their children are masked away into the educational system. I knew when i was 7 years old this system was a mess.
Well the vax or you can't work deals are really heating up especially in the public service sectors like police, fire, and now bus drivers
www.latimes.com
Bus drivers shortage forcing changes in schedule for LAUSD football, volleyball
LAUSD is working to help schools maintain night games in football.
www.latimes.com
Bruddah IZ
DA
According to the logic of the Faucian Temple of Government Science, the data demonstrating Florida’s superiority means every other state in the nation must at once follow Florida’s example and remove all restrictions purportedly implemented in order to “stop the spread.” All Vax Passes must be thrown out. All mandates must be extinguished immediately in the name of The Science.
Florida is currently “stopping the spread” better than the rest of the nation. No more masks, no more closures, no more lockdowns, and no more restrictions whatsoever. Failing to follow Florida means that you’re a certified Science Denier. The Branch Covidians of the Kingdom of Government Science mustn’t depart from their faith. Don’t be a Science Denier. Embrace freedom, and as the self-proclaimed human embodiment of science itself, Dr. Anthony Fauci, is known to say, “your numbers will come down.”
https://brownstone.org/articles/florida-registers-nations-lowest-covid-case-numbers/
Florida is currently “stopping the spread” better than the rest of the nation. No more masks, no more closures, no more lockdowns, and no more restrictions whatsoever. Failing to follow Florida means that you’re a certified Science Denier. The Branch Covidians of the Kingdom of Government Science mustn’t depart from their faith. Don’t be a Science Denier. Embrace freedom, and as the self-proclaimed human embodiment of science itself, Dr. Anthony Fauci, is known to say, “your numbers will come down.”
https://brownstone.org/articles/florida-registers-nations-lowest-covid-case-numbers/
My pals wife got fired on October 18th. 11 years at the job. She was on the front lines back in March 2020 when everyone had some fear of the unknown bat virus from Wuhan. Today, we know WTF is going on. The good guys are still waiting for Mr. Appeaser to wake his ass up and get on the rightside of life. We need 80% of America on board for fairness and honesty before party or job. Too many Americans sold out because of fear and fear of loss income. Real type of fear but not right for anyone who wants real freedom & Independence from Big Brother. My military pal says were past 60% but still have weak men who can;t get off the pot. I know these men well and so does our special ops SMS guys. Once we get to 80% who are sick of this BS, life will get better. Until then, I am now in Hibernation, just like a Grizzly Bear. I will come back, just not nowWell the vax or you can't work deals are really heating up especially in the public service sectors like police, fire, and now bus drivers
Bus drivers shortage forcing changes in schedule for LAUSD football, volleyball
LAUSD is working to help schools maintain night games in football.
These great men worked hard and played by the rules and now the whole system is crashing on them and they can't believe it. It's ok for it to full a part btw because it has to because we will build better but not on my back or the other suckers back. We will build a better America when we all work together, It's time we blow this sucker up and start over with new rules, MOO!!! Rule #1. No more cheating. Rule #2. No more "pay to play" so kid and be on the team that dad bought so he can be cool. Rule #3. No more Mr. Middleman and fake test takers to get into school so you can play soccer. Rule #4. No more "my way or the highway." Let's all look to build a new today so tomorrow doesn;t look so horrible. People are scare and full of fear and that is not why we came to earth. No way I say!!! We came here to love each and play games the right way with each other. Life is a game but we were playing with Cheaters & Liars & Killers & Other horrible traits that we will all soon learn more about. It will make your tummy turn Life should be fun and fair all in one. Those on board witht he truth will want to stay and help. Those who cheat, well then they will want to exist out asap, as some are now doing.
Desert Hound
DA
He has had an issue with this from day one.
When it was very clear which age groups were at risk early on, the logical solution would be to focus on them and isolate those who wanted to be. He and others said nope...everyone has to lock down.
The reality is that was never going to work. You cannot just shut down biz, harm kids, etc for a virus that is going to spread no matter what.
We are at the point where those who want the vaxx have gotten it. Those that don't have also made their choice.
Time to move on. And fortunately more and more people and governments are waking up to .....REALITY.
You dont shut down things because a small percentage of people cannot take the vaxx. If someone cannot take the vax because they have a health issue that prevents it, then THEY need to do what they can to minimize their exposure. The idea that the rest of society must shut down, restrict, wear masks when not needed, etc is not logical or productive in the least.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Says the man who believes we should force people to get vaccines and tell on our neighbors. Maybe you are not the person for nuance or consensus building.
