Vaccine

dad4 said:
I spent a while trying to politely explain that 700,000 people dead from covid was both bad and unnecessary. That doesn’t work.
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This kind of says a lot about your mindset. As in thinking that somehow that number would have been a lot less somehow.

We were never going to be your preferred Australia or NZ solution.

We were never going to shut down biz and schools for over a year.

And yet you keep pretending those deaths would somehow be avoidable.
 
Grace T. said:
IIRC one of those biologist's justifications for the proposed restrictions was his personal fears over unvaxxed kids (and once death was disproven, from long hospitalizations or long COVID because we just don't know what we don't know). Turns out those fears were completely overblown and not put into proper context.

You also keep throwing around the 700,000 number without telling us what part of the number was inevitable given the US culture and density, irrespective of what we did. It's why most of us think Australia was your preferred solution....because even though you refused to say it, we all knew you secretly clung to the illusion of zero covid.

The fact that YOU (you have complained about being targeted with such "slurs" as authoritarian or afraid) are defending such behavior is just the cherry on the ice cream on all of this. In the end, the history of this on the forums will not be you and the biologists (who being hammers, can be forgiven that everything they see is a nail), but you and the three trolls.
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I‘m out, for now. Enjoy the trolls.
 
dad4 said:
No real conflict. Mandates are necessary and Newsom is undermining them for political gain. ( Same as undermining the indoor dining closures by never mentioning the big casinos who help fund Dem candidates. )

He is betting, probably correctly, that he doesn’t lose many votes by failing to protect the health of inmates.
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...yet you to take politicians and government agencies at face value and tout it...funny how that works.
 
Brav520 said:
yes, calling people dumbfucks will work . Its a brilliant idea

Hey Dumbfuck take the vaccine you stupid mother fucking idiot

take the vaccine and move on with your life, try to stay healthy. if you can't do that , then that's on you
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And possibly those you came in contact with that were unwillingly exposed to gleeful ignorance.
 
Brav520 said:
Bottom line there is a portion of society that will never ever ever take the vaccine for whatever reason.
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That's me. Also, I respect those who take the jabs and the boosters for whatever their reasons. I'm sorry if I said some meme jokes here and there. I also took on some tough and heart wrenching topics on here over the years. I won;t hash out da past because da past is da past. I look to greener pasture out in the new frontiers of life.
 
WOW! Decided to catch up on this thread and feel like with the last two pages I have stumbled upon a crime scene - a group of you have completely murdered @dad4

I have always respected him for his intelligence, just not his wisdom. Incredibly, you guys have driven him to performing circle-jerks and reach-a-rounds with the forums village idiots. And then, your collective onslaught left him broken and speechless, as he scurried to the door calling it a day with his dick in his hand and his thumb in his mouth.

There is nothing to add to the brilliance of what you all said except - Bravo, Well Done!
 
watfly said:
That's one of the cool parts about youth soccer for me, hanging with parents from a variety of backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs etc.
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Definitely. I brought this up before but I'll repeat it. Unfortunately, my daughter's first soccer team was much more socio-economically diverse than it has been in the last few years of our experience. It's still racially diverse but we don't represent our area's neighborhoods as well as it did early on. That's unfortunate.
 
dad4 said:
I spent a while trying to politely explain that 700,000 people dead from covid was both bad and unnecessary. That doesn’t work.
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Opioid epidemic and crisis rages on & kills more 700k in 2020 yet that's barely discussed.

Tragedy yes the # of covid fatalities but likely peaked in the USA why opioids will do more damage this year.

How about some ideas or attention to other heath issues like cancer, heart disease, diabetes that are causing more people problems.

COVID-19 is just one of many things like the flu that risks could be minimized with medicines. Vaccines are one approach or a combination of them or with antivirals.
www.wsj.com

Merck Asks FDA to Authorize Promising Covid-19 Pill

The filing comes shortly after data from a late-stage study showed that the antiviral drug, molnupiravir, cut the risk of hospitalization or death by about 50% in high-risk people with mild to moderate Covid-19.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com

Need to get on with life, manage covid but lets not go overboard with it and concentrate on the other things that are longer term problems like mentioned.
 
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...wish it were as easy as accepting or declining...but the toxic influence of political money, big tech, and media make it a bit more calculated and exploitative by Pols.

...we're probably singing from the same general hymnal, just different tunes.
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Yes, I don't mean to imply that accepting or declining was the solution, just that without it we guarantee division. There's no hope of anything else.

The topic of power in the hands of a few has been discussed. My desire to avoid this is why I don't support vaccine mandates even though I am vaccinated and advocate for the vaccine. I believe forcing individuals into actions they don't want to perform should be reserved for more extreme situations than where we are now with Covid. There is a price to pay in terms of trust and "buy-in" when forcing actions on individuals.
 
Desert Hound said:
This kind of says a lot about your mindset. As in thinking that somehow that number would have been a lot less somehow.

We were never going to be your preferred Australia or NZ solution.

We were never going to shut down biz and schools for over a year.

And yet you keep pretending those deaths would somehow be avoidable.
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140,000 deaths prevented from covid vaccines was the claim I read today but I think that's old numbers.

www.nih.gov

Vaccines prevented up to 140,000 COVID-19 deaths in U.S.

A study estimated that COVID-19 vaccinations prevented nearly 140,000 deaths in the U.S. by May 2021.
www.nih.gov www.nih.gov

Even so to me heath care is personal choice just like diets or what we consume.

We have some of the worse diets and obesity problems the world has seen yet there very little govt mandates for junk food content, amts of sugar, salt, sodium or for healthy eating, natural food, regular exercise for adults, etc.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Definitely. I brought this up before but I'll repeat it. Unfortunately, my daughter's first soccer team was much more socio-economically diverse than it has been in the last few years of our experience. It's still racially diverse but we don't represent our area's neighborhoods as well as it did early on. That's unfortunate.
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That's interesting. We were the opposite. A bunch of Francis Parker kids on my son's first team. Now I would guess 1/3 of our kids are scholarshipped. Ramona, El Cajon, Carlsbad, Chula Vista, Spring Valley, La Jolla, Escondido to name a few, our kids are from all over the County.
 
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