Vaccine

what-happened said:
Narrative consructed by people with agendas. Remember back to the ventilator days. ICUs always run at or near capacity. Full beds drive revenue. Some smaller hospitals with smaller staffing were certainly impacted, maybe still impacted. Based on protocols, it's more effort and people intensive to care for a covid positive patient.

We certainly don't freak out over RSV care even though it's nearly as contagious. And RSV has been clogging up pediatric beds/ICUs all over the country. Real journalism is dead for now in this country. Journalist are too scared to go against the grain of an agenda for fear of being banished. It's unfortunate.
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Checking your facts --

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ICU Occupancy and mechanical ventilator use in the United States

Detailed data on occupancy and use of mechanical ventilators in United States intensive care units (ICU) over time and across unit types, are lacking. We sought to describe the hourly bed occupancy and use of ventilators in US ICUs to improve future planning ...
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whatithink said:
I think the cause is more the information age and information bubble people are wrapped in, decided for them by tech companies delivering content based on what you previously did, not on any beneficial objective basis.

The information bubbles and the extremes they are going to are no different, imv, than the madras schools - and look who (minority) comes out of those.
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This is a good point. It has become very easy to surround ourselves with like-minded people - consciously or not. It tends to further isolate us culturally.
 
espola said:
Checking your facts --

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ICU Occupancy and mechanical ventilator use in the United States

Detailed data on occupancy and use of mechanical ventilators in United States intensive care units (ICU) over time and across unit types, are lacking. We sought to describe the hourly bed occupancy and use of ventilators in US ICUs to improve future planning ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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“Conclusions
Occupancy of US ICUs was stable over time, but there is uneven distribution across different types and sizes of units. Only three out of ten beds were filled at any time with mechanically ventilated patients, suggesting substantial surge capacity throughout the system to care for acutely critically ill patients.”
 
N00B said:
Local elections are not as skewed as what you have correctly identified about privilege (whatever the form).
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True, but in Oakland you have folks like Jerry Brown and Ron Dellums that run for Mayor. So, I guess it depends on what you mean by local.
 
MacDre said:
True, but in Oakland you have folks like Jerry Brown and Ron Dellums that run for Mayor. So, I guess it depends on what you mean by local.
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Once you get above about 25,000 voters, machine politics takes over. It turns into SEIU versus police and fire.

Smaller cities, you can totally win office as an independent. It's pretty common.

One more reason our big cities are such a mess. The machine politics drives out the best candidates.
 
met61 said:
Actually, I believe you are the one who has it upside down. Understandable, as you've probably been raised and lived in the bubble of a controlled environment amongst a specific control group. But, having spent most of my adult life in the military surrounded by individuals from every corner of the country, from every race, gender, nationality, economic status, religion, and political party. I can assure you, the psychological humanity and core division you speak of is minimally measurable, if it exists at all. You see, when you look up and down military ranks, you will see noticeable and vast differences...but, you will also find the two main principles they all have in common: 1) The US Flag on their shoulder; 2) The belief the soldier on their right and left will fight and die for them.

A great country needs common principles to bond and rally around. Politicians know the quickest road to power is division within the electorate, using identity politics and pitting individuals differences against each other.

I have never seen my biracial children at their classmates throats because of their white side or brown side...hell, no one in their peer groups even notices it or brings it up. Rather, I have clearly seen politicians and their acolytes in education with grotesque political motives jamming it down their throats.

All politicians use division and fear to generate power, but it is leftist who are leading the way in destroying our national unifying principles and identities.

It only takes a superficial amount of Wisdom and real personal experience to understand this.
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To be clear, when I wrote, "With just a superficial understanding of human psychology, the outcomes we are seeing shouldn't be surprising." I was not directly addressing you. I was addressing anyone who disagreed with another. When we go directly to the actions I described, we divide - the opportunity to influence is lost.

We have much more in common than you know and your assumptions about me (you've probably been raised and lived in the bubble of a controlled environment amongst a specific control group) are off. However, I do appreciate your perspective and the explanation you offered to explain the source of the divide. The only comment I have is that while politicians can attempt to divide, individuals must accept the division.
 
met61 said:
Actually, I believe you are the one who has it upside down. Understandable, as you've probably been raised and lived in the bubble of a controlled environment amongst a specific control group. But, having spent most of my adult life in the military surrounded by individuals from every corner of the country, from every race, gender, nationality, economic status, religion, and political party. I can assure you, the psychological humanity and core division you speak of is minimally measurable, if it exists at all. You see, when you look up and down military ranks, you will see noticeable and vast differences...but, you will also find the two main principles they all have in common: 1) The US Flag on their shoulder; 2) The belief the soldier on their right and left will fight and die for them.

A great country needs common principles to bond and rally around. Politicians know the quickest road to power is division within the electorate, using identity politics and pitting individuals differences against each other.

I have never seen my biracial children at their classmates throats because of their white side or brown side...hell, no one in their peer groups even notices it or brings it up. Rather, I have clearly seen politicians and their acolytes in education with grotesque political motives jamming it down their throats.

All politicians use division and fear to generate power, but it is leftist who are leading the way in destroying our national unifying principles and identities.

It only takes a superficial amount of Wisdom and real personal experience to understand this.
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ToonArmy said:
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So are healthy adults
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The issue here is that a certain point age becomes more important than health. Some 30 and 40 year olds struck down which didn’t need to be. We can argue over whether all of them had comorbidities and what constitutes “health” (if asthma diabetes and overweight count you have about 40-50% of Americans there). But yes…a skinny 40 year old that runs every day and is type 0 blood may be less at risk than a 35 overweight person with type a blood and diabeties. We can also argue about when age becomes such a risk it outweighs the risk of the vaccine (it’s somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-45 depending on the comorbidities)
 
kickingandscreaming said:
To be clear, when I wrote, "With just a superficial understanding of human psychology, the outcomes we are seeing shouldn't be surprising." I was not directly addressing you. I was addressing anyone who disagreed with another. When we go directly to the actions I described, we divide - the opportunity to influence is lost.

We have much more in common than you know and your assumptions about me (you've probably been raised and lived in the bubble of a controlled environment amongst a specific control group) are off. However, I do appreciate your perspective and the explanation you offered to explain the source of the divide. The only comment I have is that while politicians can attempt to divide, individuals must accept the division.
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...wish it were as easy as accepting or declining...but the toxic influence of political money, big tech, and media make it a bit more calculated and exploitative by Pols.

...we're probably singing from the same general hymnal, just different tunes.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
To be clear, when I wrote, "With just a superficial understanding of human psychology, the outcomes we are seeing shouldn't be surprising." I was not directly addressing you. I was addressing anyone who disagreed with another. When we go directly to the actions I described, we divide - the opportunity to influence is lost.

We have much more in common than you know and your assumptions about me (you've probably been raised and lived in the bubble of a controlled environment amongst a specific control group) are off. However, I do appreciate your perspective and the explanation you offered to explain the source of the divide. The only comment I have is that while politicians can attempt to divide, individuals must accept the division.
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The world is changing and so is America the beautiful. I can say 100% that this country is so different, you just need to drive across the country in 10 days and see for yourself :) I'm so glad we did and I learned a lot of the love we have for each other and the flag and for all those who have fought & died for our freedom and Independence. I feel Met 61 is spot on in most of Socal & NoCal Bubble. We love each other more than we say. Mr. Ego ((my Karl)) is always trying to get in the way and win everything. Dualism is a virus and so is DivocFear 19, which all leads to anger & terror in one's little brain and that can lead to destruction and division. I think Met 61 is trying to say most of us live in a bubble and some have bigger bubbles. This country is in a tough spot man. I think the men have been wimps and keeping us from real change. The woman have been way more on top of things from a spiritual prospective. Division is being spewed out on the media. I was loved by so many in our country that I will die for it, even if Espola and EOTL live. I want my FREEDOM & INDEPENDENCE!!!! Surfer Barney dude in bathing suit meeting my brothers & sisters across this awesome country was amazing. It's time we help each other, regardless of vax of no vax. I got the virus Jan 20th, 2020 and was the very last time I was sick. I lost 45 pounds so far and feel like a million bucks and have six pack. Yes, I did get yelled at by a few mask enforcers in New Mexico but all n all a very great trip. It's time to go back to your roots. Cherokee Nation for my wife. Scotland Highlander for Crush. Crostialand for my pal Colin. Hatian Town for Bruno and Aussie Place for my friend Channon. So many more tribes to go back to. This white and black and Indian and Asian thing seems off in my brain. Find your true self, not fake self. I love you all. Red October is upon us. Be nice and loving to all peoples. One lady at one of the gas stations in TN told me she has never seen so many new campers with nowhere to go. People are leaving the big cities and living off the grid or off the freeways she said. Utah has a big problem. Supply lines are a big mess and having a huge impact in parts of the country that has no bubble.
 
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