Vaccine

Neither one of you have Degrees in the relevant subject matter, let
alone understand the inner workings of mRna Therapy. So pipe down
and pay attention to the Video and do some independent research
on the pros and cons of Spike Proteins in the mRna injections.

My point is that they guy had two papers that were relevant to some of the early work on getting mRNA into cells. I've looked at both of them. Have you? Late 80's early 90's lots of people were working on genetic material transfection technologies. His claim to cred from his 1989 paper is that he encompassed mRNA in a lipidic shell, but it's not like other people weren't doing the same thing with DNA transfections. He made no further contribution to the development of this technology and at some point ended up feeling bitter about it. Now he goes on the TV and rolls down some people's alley, whatever. But just because you think he knows his shit does not mean that he does so.
 
Neither one of you have Degrees in the relevant subject matter, let
alone understand the inner workings of mRna Therapy. So pipe down
and pay attention to the Video and do some independent research
on the pros and cons of Spike Proteins in the mRna injections.
Wiping a slate clean for reprogramming is fine as long as you have a
clean environment to operate within, performing this procedure in a
dirty environment is very very dangerous. A human being in the natural
environment is a dirty environment. Pure and simple, it can be done as
we see, but the dangers are the same as a Takata Air Bag. It will save
lives, but the risk to gain has to be assessed. And using this type of format
can, has and will kill until completely understood. I for one would like to
see honest data that isn't tarnished or hasn't had relevant accumulation
suppressed.

The current climate regarding this Covid SARS virus is completely irrational,
absolutely the reverse of how matters of these kind should be handled.
Why would any rational human being in a rational world subject himself to
the kind of brutality and utter humiliation being propagated to " Get The Jab ".
This is utter insanity, if the programming goes awry with absolutely no
accountability humans who took the mRna have absolutely no legal recourse.
I hope all of you understand just that point alone, unlike the Takata airbag
failures were you see financial and product replacement accountability, you
all have absolutely no recourse to hold anyone or entity accountable.
That is huge !
That is Massive !
Think about that, no accountability what so ever.
Forcing citizenry to take a mRna product with no accountability, or lose your
job, or be ostracized from society ? That's irrational and absolutely immoral.

All who have had a shot are mRna reprogramming, all who have had Covid
void a shot have natural antibodies 8 - 12 times what the mRna delivers.

The nonaccountability both for humanity and financially will be absolutely
grotesque if for some reason the mRna programming becomes volatile
in the future.

Think about this long and hard before you abruptly respond with some
knee jerk response. Please.
Check out the Lasker award announcement to see who, among the many many contributors, is being recognized for making key contributions to the mRNA vaccine approach. Hint- Malone is not among them. (And Evil goalie seems to know what he's talking about.)

If you want to learn more about how the mRNA vaccines work, let me know. There's no genetic reprogramming going on. Happy to walk you through it or send you some articles on the underlying science. There's some good stuff posted earlier in this thread too, though who knows how many pages ago..
 
Lasker award - Malone is not among them.

Upon reflection it's harsh of me to say Malone doesn't know his shit. That's not it exactly. It's more like bitterness over a perceived lack of credit and recognition made him lose his shit. He definitely was there in the early RNA days, and, like many, saw the therapeutic potential. Since you mentioned the Lasker I was thinking about that. If you Google Kariko and Malone you'll see there's a bit of a history there that almost certainly feeds into this. Malone thinks he was cheated, but now he's made his mark. I wonder how it feels though, when he's invited on these programs. He comes on "inventor of mRNA vaccines" say his piece, probably still tries to nuance it a bit. Then followed up by next person on the program saying that what he wanted his life work to be about, what he wants to be known for, is all a sham, a lie, or this, that or the other thing. Textbook pathos.

I personally think these big awards like Lasker, etc do more harm than good anymore. Like giving the Lasker to the mRNA nucleotide modification people to prevent triggering innate immunity `but not the the LNP people. Like you say, so many contributed, everything necessarily collaborative. So many different facets, all have to be in place. I remember Gary Ruvkun's Lasker talk for his miRNA work; perhaps when done like that it still works. He was basically, nothing really special about me per se, its the process and the underlying biology. So amazing. If it triggers for somebody, takes the next step, all that matters.
 
Actually, we’ve had three people on this thread so far who know what they’re talking about. ( You just trash talked one of them. )

In general, they tend not to refer to youtube videos as reference material.

Check out the Lasker award announcement to see who, among the many many contributors, is being recognized for making key contributions to the mRNA vaccine approach. Hint- Malone is not among them. (And Evil goalie seems to know what he's talking about.)

If you want to learn more about how the mRNA vaccines work, let me know. There's no genetic reprogramming going on. Happy to walk you through it or send you some articles on the underlying science. There's some good stuff posted earlier in this thread too, though who knows how many pages ago..

Mr Roadrunner:

Please explain to the forum your reasoning for making false statements about
mRna, it does reprogram the adaptive and innate immune responses.

And I noticed NOT one of you touched on the accountability/liability issue.

Furthermore, if the products are performing as they state they are, why the
breakthrough sicknesses.
If the breakthrough sicknesses are part of the “ process “ why is the VAERS
site severely altering/deleting Data.

Dr Roadrunner:
Please walk me through the Medical Data papers you have access to that
counter the Medical Data papers I have access to.
 
That's none of your business, actually

Somewhere along the way, was it World War I, the creation of the Fed, the destruction of academia? – we stood the logic of American life on its head. If anybody anywhere offends, or otherwise causes harm, if anybody has access to something others don’t, if anybody holds a thought not in step with his fellows, the aggrieved must assemble as many cronies and allies as possible, and then snitch, fire, steal, mandate, imprison or ultimately kill those who have the nerve to disagree. There can be no mercy for wrong thinkers, for the climate deniers or the anti-vaxxers. There can be no tolerance for those who don’t embrace the Lord, unquestionably respect the life of an embryo, or see the words of Trump as the golden ticket to a proud future.

In short, we have a desire to rule, a desire to dominate others. The pandemic, says Michael Malice, has been the perfect setting for neurotic and low-status people to dominate – to assert moral and physical force – over the rest of us. Another pariah of the establishment, Joe Rogan, in a conversation with Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein (two ultra-pariahs of the ruling class) called the Karens and the wrath-seekers “the weakest minds, and the most cowardly amongst us.”
 
...cont:

What prompted this reflection was, oddly and illustratively enough, Sarah O’Conner’s discussion in the Financial Times on Universal Basic Income, which is the idea that a government, out of general revenue, can and should afford every citizen a basic livelihood. She doesn’t like it, but for all the wrong reasons:

“If a UBI let employers off the hook entirely from the idea that a job should be something a person can live on, it could make it easier to hire people for fewer hours on a casual or fleeting basis. […] There is a danger in seeing job insecurity as an inevitability to which we must adapt, when in some cases it is simply a regulatory failure to which we should respond.”
There are three problems here that relate to the way we look at economic and political relations in the 2020s.

First, what other people do and the transactions they make are no one’s business but their own. Letting “employers off the hook,” or saying that “a job should be something a person can live on” is entirely detached from the way a liberal, free society orients itself. These things are the business of the people making those transactions,and no one else’s.

Second,
“pay” isn’t something that employers, by virtue of being rich, entrepreneurial, or profit-seeking rightfully owe anyone. Pay is owed as a result of contracts made between employers and workers. These are an outcome of trade. Workers provide value for their employers, who in turn pay wages at an agreed-upon rate. That a third-party observer disagrees with the valuation made by either party is beside the point.

Third, the “job insecurity,” the “we must adapt,” and “regulatory failure” canards indicate an urge toward central-planning that is almost always unwarranted.
Many libertarians correctly object that governments are in no position to make such determinations. Government functionaries have poor information and inadequate enforcement mechanisms to will their visions into reality. In the end, they tend to make matters worse everywhere they act.

While O’Connor misses this view in the narrow topic of UBI, the conflict isn’t over that specific policy proposal, or even about vaccine mandates. It’s not about the politics surrounding abortion or immigration or foreign policy. It’s not about issues of health or eating habits, about sexuality or workout routines. Those are all downstream from the much bigger, and much deeper question: For what purposes may societies condone the use of violent force?


The answer is many fewer than most people presently believe. Because most things are simply none of the government’s business.
 
Upon reflection it's harsh of me to say Malone doesn't know his shit. That's not it exactly. It's more like bitterness over a perceived lack of credit and recognition made him lose his shit. He definitely was there in the early RNA days, and, like many, saw the therapeutic potential. Since you mentioned the Lasker I was thinking about that. If you Google Kariko and Malone you'll see there's a bit of a history there that almost certainly feeds into this. Malone thinks he was cheated, but now he's made his mark. I wonder how it feels though, when he's invited on these programs. He comes on "inventor of mRNA vaccines" say his piece, probably still tries to nuance it a bit. Then followed up by next person on the program saying that what he wanted his life work to be about, what he wants to be known for, is all a sham, a lie, or this, that or the other thing. Textbook pathos.

I personally think these big awards like Lasker, etc do more harm than good anymore. Like giving the Lasker to the mRNA nucleotide modification people to prevent triggering innate immunity `but not the the LNP people. Like you say, so many contributed, everything necessarily collaborative. So many different facets, all have to be in place. I remember Gary Ruvkun's Lasker talk for his miRNA work; perhaps when done like that it still works. He was basically, nothing really special about me per se, its the process and the underlying biology. So amazing. If it triggers for somebody, takes the next step, all that matters.
Yeah, I agree with you that it's usually hard to just single out a couple people for awards like the Lasker. Which discoveries get recognized, who gets credit for which contributions, .. can easily overlook many many people. And not everyone gives credit where it is due.
 
Mr Roadrunner:

Please explain to the forum your reasoning for making false statements about
mRna, it does reprogram the adaptive and innate immune responses.

And I noticed NOT one of you touched on the accountability/liability issue.

Furthermore, if the products are performing as they state they are, why the
breakthrough sicknesses.
If the breakthrough sicknesses are part of the “ process “ why is the VAERS
site severely altering/deleting Data.

Dr Roadrunner:
Please walk me through the Medical Data papers you have access to that
counter the Medical Data papers I have access to.
It sounds like what you're really interested in is understanding the immune system, and how it responds to pathogens. It is an amazing system. Do you understand what Messenger RNAs (mRNA) are and their function?

I have no interest in some pissing match of "my papers are better than your papers". That's odd to me. I prefer to keep the focus on the science and the data.
 
It sounds like what you're really interested in is understanding the immune system, and how it responds to pathogens. It is an amazing system. Do you understand what Messenger RNAs (mRNA) are and their function?

I have no interest in some pissing match of "my papers are better than your papers". That's odd to me. I prefer to keep the focus on the science and the data.

I understand the immune system and quite a bit more, it appears you are deflecting due to lack of understanding.
I have no intention in any engagement as you’ve implied. You know what I put forth, and an honest response would
suite you well.

Furthermore you have once again circumvented the accountability issue I put forth. Why will you and others who
tout the “ jab “ not address this glaring problem that is building.

That is Science and Data.
 
I understand the immune system and quite a bit more, it appears you are deflecting due to lack of understanding.
I have no intention in any engagement as you’ve implied. You know what I put forth, and an honest response would
suite you well.

Furthermore you have once again circumvented the accountability issue I put forth. Why will you and others who
tout the “ jab “ not address this glaring problem that is building.

That is Science and Data.

Idiot.
 
I understand the immune system and quite a bit more, it appears you are deflecting due to lack of understanding.
I have no intention in any engagement as you’ve implied. You know what I put forth, and an honest response would
suite you well.

Furthermore you have once again circumvented the accountability issue I put forth. Why will you and others who
tout the “ jab “ not address this glaring problem that is building.

That is Science and Data.

Anyone coming to @thirteenknots's defense? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? .....crickets....

Let me get some popcorn. I want to see who can contort their argumentative skills/styles in order to be inclusive to folks like this.
 
Anyone coming to @thirteenknots's defense? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? .....crickets....

Let me get some popcorn. I want to see who can contort their argumentative skills/styles in order to be inclusive to folks like this.
Jay Bhattacharya on Twitter:

Public health has earned the distrust of minority communities by promoting ideas that have harmed minorities differentially like “essential/non-essential”, lockdown, zoom for public school kids, vax passports,… Experts who argued for these terrible ideas should be ashamed.
 
Anyone coming to @thirteenknots's defense? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? .....crickets....

Let me get some popcorn. I want to see who can contort their argumentative skills/styles in order to be inclusive to folks like this.

I'll take a stab at it.

Science says natural immunity works great for all of those for whom it works. There is therefore no need to wear a mask or get vaccinated because 100% of those people who do not die or suffer long term consequences from Covid will not die or suffer long term consequences from Covid.

We have had 18 months to learn how to treat Covid and limit its transmission, and have implemented a way to protect ourselves from dying with 99.99999999% success if we get it. So make sure to eat horse paste, not wear masks or socially distance under any circumstances, and absolutely, positively do not get vaccinated. The proof is states like MS, LA, AZ, TX and FL, which have had 18 months to learn and have used that information very wisely. Bigly in fact.

And by the way, it's also all a hoax. Everyone is really just dying in motorcycle accidents and from gunshot wounds when they aren't voting fraudulently in elections. But remember the horse paste just in case. You should use your freedom to put anything you want in your body - other than vaccines of course.
 
Anyone coming to @thirteenknots's defense? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? .....crickets....

Let me get some popcorn. I want to see who can contort their argumentative skills/styles in order to be inclusive to folks like this.
More from Jay Bhattacharya on Twitter:

It is irrational and cruel to permit the vaxxed to have liberty while forcing recovered COVID patients with better immunity — often poor, minority, and working-class “essentials” — to the shadows of society.
 
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