Vaccine

Yep my 4th grader has to wear a mask all day every day at school for the second year now all in the name of protecting adults who get to party with no masks.
The people with the loudest complaints about masked kids are the anti-mask and anti-vax adults.

I don’t think they even realize they are the ones causing the problem in the first place.
 
Ah...science. And yet the press, many politicians and a lot of people want vaxx passports, etc.

People who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity — gained from an earlier infection — to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.

The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.

This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.


 
On the origin of the 6 ft distancing rule. There's no basis for it (they just guessed and politics)....pretty much sums up the totally of covid response.

But it's Science TM!

Remember in the EU many countries were going with 3ft.

These guys have been guessing on a lot of stuff that today people take as gospel.
 
Ah...science. And yet the press, many politicians and a lot of people want vaxx passports, etc.

People who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity — gained from an earlier infection — to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.

The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.

This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.




It's really looking like the England approach is the only way out of it. It would mean healthy adults that are fully vaxxed and seeking to take measures to avoid catching the virus themselves are just selfish prolonging the misery (if it all pans out to be true).
 
It's really looking like the England approach is the only way out of it. It would mean healthy adults that are fully vaxxed and seeking to take measures to avoid catching the virus themselves are just selfish prolonging the misery (if it all pans out to be true).

Just making shit up again?
 
Ah...science. And yet the press, many politicians and a lot of people want vaxx passports, etc.

People who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity — gained from an earlier infection — to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.

The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled Covid-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.

This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.




Yes, six times a large.

In the same sense that 0.0000017 is six times as large as 0.00000029.

Neither vaccinated people nor recovered patients are at all likely to be hospitalized for covid.
 
Just making shit up again?
Grace wants us to have UK rule relaxation without having a UK vaccination rate.

The UK 16+ vaccination rate is 89% for first shot. 81% fully vaxxed.

If they tried this with a Mississippi or Idaho vax rate, they’d be up shit creek- just like Mississippi and Idaho are.
 
The people with the loudest complaints about masked kids are the anti-mask and anti-vax adults.
Because that's the box you want to put them in. Those that you call "Team Virus" on here, are mostly vaccinated, mask compliant adults who believe adults should take care of themselves and not put the burden on children to protect adults. I don't know maybe we're just dinosaurs that still believe in "women and children first".
 
On the origin of the 6 ft distancing rule. There's no basis for it (they just guessed and politics)....pretty much sums up the totally of covid response.

But it's Science TM!

The Anti-immune system movement (AISM) is pretty religiously fanatic about COVID and global warming.
 
Grace wants us to have UK rule relaxation without having a UK vaccination rate.

The UK 16+ vaccination rate is 89% for first shot. 81% fully vaxxed.

If they tried this with a Mississippi or Idaho vax rate, they’d be up shit creek- just like Mississippi and Idaho are.

You yourself said the Dakotas were partially on their way there. I think people should get the vaxx. I wouldn't really even mind a state level mandate. Where I have the problems are: 1) the federal govt likely (short of an act of Congress, and even then it's dubious) lacks the power to do a mandate, 2) children should at least be exempt as the vaxx doesn't seem to do much good there, and 3) natural immunity should be recognized.

But with respect to the rate, if the states aren't going to mandate it on adults, the elderly vaccination rates are already through the roof and those that haven't gotten it have made their choice. What's stupid about the US approach though is the place that you could reasonably argue need restrictions aren't going to do it, and those that have restrictions are the ones that least need it. Given that, unless the states are going to mandate it themselves, there's nothing else on the horizon.
 
Because that's the box you want to put them in. Those that you call "Team Virus" on here, are mostly vaccinated, mask compliant adults who believe adults should take care of themselves and not put the burden on children to protect adults. I don't know maybe we're just dinosaurs that still believe in "women and children first".
My main complaint is with the unvaccinated folks who socialize without masks. To use your phrase, they are adults who are not taking care of themselves. Worse, they are adults pushing their burden onto others.

Vaccinated people who are masked and grumbling are fine. They’re doing the right thing. They have every right to not like it.
 
On the origin of the 6 ft distancing rule. There's no basis for it (they just guessed and politics)....pretty much sums up the totally of covid response.

But it's Science TM!

Satan demands his followers to be 6 feet a part and where a mask. Satan also hates children and will do whatever IT can do to harm them. I tried to wake you all up last year and the year before that Grace T. I got a head start and nothing else. Trust me, knowing what I have known the last three years has been hard on my soul. My wife said I agreed to this life before I was born and I guess I did. I'm here to offer help any way I can when the red shoe drops. Symbolism will be their down fall.
 
Yes, six times a large.

In the same sense that 0.0000017 is six times as large as 0.00000029.

Neither vaccinated people nor recovered patients are at all likely to be hospitalized for covid.
The point being...natural immunity is fine and works. I am not stuck on the 6x number in the least. That wasn't the point.

What I am interested in is that natural immunity works just fine vs people with the vaxx.

So if you have had it, there is no need to rush out and get vaxxed right?
 
just like Mississippi and Idaho are
Neither are. MS is already on the downward curve of delta. Idaho is about peak...so they will be heading down shortly. Side note on IDAHO for you @dad4 if they are what you say is up shit creek...they still have fewer deaths per million vs CA.

I would think you would want to be in Idaho. Based on deaths per million it is safer there ;)
 
Studies show vaccinated patients transmit to fewer people:


Peak load is high, but vaccinated patients spend considerably less time at peak load. The shortened time means fewer exposures.
You see the problem with that article is that they were looking at the ALPHA variant. And yes for the ALPHA that was true.

It is entirely different with the DELTA variant. With the DELTA transmission rates are very similar.

So toss your old article away. We have left Alpha behind (which was true as it related to Alpha) and have now moved on to Delta.
 
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