Vaccine

watfly said:
Don't be hard on them, they are just kids that have been indoctrinated their whole lives. Many are not on a mission by choice and are miserable despite outward appearances. Plus no religion can really claim the higher ground on truth.
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Hah! No claims to higher ground eh? WTF were we doing in Afghanistan for 20 years then?
 
watfly said:
Bingo, you can't assume it was spread when she took off the mask for a few minutes, much more likely it was the hours of prolonged exposure.



That's why the messaging should be focused on the sick. Instead of "space out and wear a mask" for everyone. It should be heavy on "Don't assume it's allergies or a cold, get tested and stay home until you get a negative result. A mask will not protect others if you are sick."
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Given the pattern of those who got sick (it's in the source), it's "more likely" that those seated nearest the teacher were most at risk. If the pattern of those infected was evenly scattered over the room, your statement would make more sense.
 
The deranged and dangerous straw man continues to tyrannize Australia. Two slices:

Currently, Greater Sydney and Melbourne, and regional New South Wales and Victoria, are in various degrees of lockdown. Some of Sydney and all of Melbourne are under night-time curfew – something that has never occurred in Australia before, even under threat of Japanese invasion in 1942.
Even lockdown-permitted exercise walks in the early spring sun are decreed anti-social. A week ago, Victorian premier Daniel Andrews said angrily, ‘Today is going to be a nice day, but stay at home. At home. Otherwise, there’ll be a lot of Sundays spent in hospital’. He’s also said Victorians venturing from home to view the sunset is a dangerous act.
Andrews’s edict highlights how fearful Australian leaders have become of Covid – any Covid, let alone the vast infection and mortality numbers faced by Britain, Europe and North America – and how deeply restrictions on civil and personal liberties have bitten. Thousands of families, including parents and children desperate to care for and comfort loved ones seriously ill or dying, have been sundered by Berlin Wall-like state borders guarded zealously by contagion-fearing provincial politicians, as well as stopped from returning home from overseas.
There is no talk of future freedom. Instead, Australians are told lockdowns are staying, even with vaccines widely available and vaccination rates finally accelerating. Indeed, last Sunday Andrews extended Victoria’s lockdown indefinitely, and Western Australia and Queensland premiers are using the Sydney and Melbourne outbreaks to repudiate prior commitments to end lockdowns and reopen their states once full vaccination rates reach 70-80 per cent.
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It’s Australians generally who are to blame. We wished this upon ourselves. It’s as we were a nation of toddlers, craving parental protection.
We are the ones wanting our leaders to double down. We are the ones wanting to be told by our governments what to do and what not to do to stay safe from a virus one state health minister insisted is the most dangerous bug ever (clearly never having heard about the Black Death). We are the ones meekly giving up our rights and freedoms to politicians who, being on the public purse, avoid the economic hunger games of prolonged lockdowns. And we are the ones turning on friends and neighbours, informing on rule and curfew breakers as if we are living in East German Stasiland.
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espola said:
Given the pattern of those who got sick (it's in the source), it's "more likely" that those seated nearest the teacher were most at risk. If the pattern of those infected was evenly scattered over the room, your statement would make more sense.
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A @NYT promoted @DukeU "study" claiming benefits from masks on children, didn't even have a control group.
 
A bit of a scandal building with the resignation of the two fda officials. They seem to have resigned at least in part over the White House/fauci/cdc pressuring the fda over some actions, particularly the booster approach. Details still murky and a lot of rumor and innuendo. But if even partially true….
 
espola said:
So which truths do you accept?
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Would not be summarized in a covid thread. I’ll just leave it that I’m a believer but it’s complicated and god isn’t some zeusian dude with a flowing white beard. It would require a diversion into cosmology and multi universe theory as well which is far more than these pages can hold. Want to discuss? Become a Mormon missionary.
 
Grace T. said:
A bit of a scandal building with the resignation of the two fda officials. They seem to have resigned at least in part over the White House/fauci/cdc pressuring the fda over some actions, particularly the booster approach. Details still murky and a lot of rumor and innuendo. But if even partially true….
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I have seen news of some FDA resignations recently over the rapid approval of a controversial Alzheimer's treatment drug. Is that what you meant?
 
I was removed from a juror pool once when they asked if anyone had strong opinions about chiropractors.

www.rawstory.com

Florida chiropractor confronted for handing out anti-mask 'exemption' forms to kids

Admitting he has signed "dozens of them" a Florida chiropractor is pushing back against accusations that he is handing out no-exam medical exemptions to the parents of children who don't want their kids wearing masks in school. With Florida in the midst of being pummeled by the COVID-19 Delta...
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How much is the fee? Is it covered by insurance?
 
Grace T. said:
Would not be summarized in a covid thread. I’ll just leave it that I’m a believer but it’s complicated and god isn’t some zeusian dude with a flowing white beard. It would require a diversion into cosmology and multi universe theory as well which is far more than these pages can hold. Want to discuss? Become a Mormon missionary.
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Mormon missionary >> basement-dwelling troll - Your efforts to lift him higher are admirable ;).
 
N00B said:
Is your idea of ‘story time’ just like reading rainbow on tv?

Yeah, they look at the camera. In the classroom, they’re reading the words while looking at the book (even using pointer fingers to help the kids co-read along with them).
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Yes, school teachers make eye contact. Not just during story time, but all day long. It really helps.

If this were not about covid politics, you would not have gotten this wrong. You've been in classes, and more recently you probably went to story time at the library or a sing-along with your toddler. Teachers making eye contact is not news to you. But something about the covid conversation made you forget it.

I think the whole discussion is turning us into politics robots instead of thinking people.
 
Harvard Epidemiologist Says the Case for COVID Vaccine Passports Was Just Demolished
New research found that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than COVID-19 vaccines.



Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear.

Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-CoV-2-naïve individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals. Three multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant in Israel.

Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.
 
watfly said:
Bingo, you can't assume it was spread when she took off the mask for a few minutes, much more likely it was the hours of prolonged exposure.



That's why the messaging should be focused on the sick. Instead of "space out and wear a mask" for everyone. It should be heavy on "Don't assume it's allergies or a cold, get tested and stay home until you get a negative result. A mask will not protect others if you are sick."
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That message (Don't assume it's allergies or a cold. Get tested and stay home.) is very helpful.
 
Grace T. said:
The irony of this statement is completely lost on you
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No. I chose that wording for a reason.
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Include yourself with us. You gave a thumbs up to someone saying teachers don't make eye contact.

Think about that for a second. You gave a thumbs up to someone telling a teacher that teachers don't make eye contact.

That is not a strong position to support. The discussion is rotting your brain right along with mine.
 
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