Vaccine

“A fundamental difference between modern dictatorships and all other tyrannies of the past is that terror is no longer used as a means to exterminate and frighten opponents but as an instrument to rule masses of people who are perfectly obedient.”

~Hannah Arendt ~ (The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1966) Baaaaaaaaaa!
 
Scientific Authoritarianism Erodes Private Property and Human Liberty

Christopher LingleChristopher Lingle – July 29, 2021


While the emergence of a novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, and the disease that it might cause, Covid-19, are now at center stage, they share equal billing with the former only slightly in the background. In all events, this pair of menaces offers a convenient pretense for government officials to seek expansions in their powers that give them greater control over human actions and private resources. Initially, the specter of climate change was not enough to induce most citizens to accept enhanced political power that would diminish their liberty and curtail their personal rights.

However, fear ginned up during the recent pandemic based on pronouncements reflecting “expert” authority caused individuals to stop thinking of health as a personal issue and to embrace “public health.” The notion that “public health” reflects an objective reality must be challenged, especially since so much focus is on only one among many viruses and on only one disease among many ailments that afflict mankind. It is troubling that these political feats of legerdemain have induced many citizens to accept an artificial collective construct, with solidarity dominating individual autonomy and security elevated over human liberty.
 
Grace T. said:
I note we still don’t know how much of a problem asymptomatic spread really is. There has yet for example to be a really good case study on it and most of the case studies are in the low symptomatic category like this teacher. The real problem may be with people who think “it’s allergies” or a cold and go out on public with low symptoms. And if asymptomatic spread is truly a threat, the chances of the current vaccines controlling this are next to zero because the viral loads there in a symptomatic person has are likely to be higher than a completely asymptomatic person. Finally if the uk/Denmark approach is correct it really shouldn’t matter at this point
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I believe the issue has always been pre-symptomatic, not asymptomatic
 
espola said:
Acquiring natural immunity means passing through the risks of severe symptoms, hospitalization, and death.

I'll take the less effective vaccine, thank you.
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Given your health concerns that is a reasonable approach until treatments are available.
 
dad4 said:
And bringing it home to their families. The kids were an infection vector to other parts of the community. You forgot that part.
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So are all the vaccinated people in the community. You forgot that part, either pre or possibly asymptomatic.
Admitted anecdote, but one that seems to be repeating itself more than not…. vaccinated parent gets a mild symptomatic case and spreads to children in the household. Not the other way around. The teacher in this case is the same vector, adult spread.
 
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N00B said:
If it’s religion I think you agreed to a different standard in interactions, given the emotional element.
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I’m on the do not call list for Mormon missionaries. I broke a couple of them back in the day and they prefer it if they don’t talk to me. A few months ago two adventists approached me in the park where my son was practicing. Gave them a half hour. Broke one of them before she was shuttled away by the partner. Not exactly a hobby buts it’s something I sometimes get sucked into every now and then. It’s not that I have a problem with faith. I’m actually very faithful myself. I just believe it needs to be forged in truth and above all else without fear.
 
N00B said:
I believe the issue has always been pre-symptomatic, not asymptomatic
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Yes but most pre symptomatics like the teacher aren’t presymptomatic. It’s that humans have a tendency to not want to believe they are in fact sick and will defer to other explanations before putting up sick on the list.
 
N00B said:
I believe the issue has always been pre-symptomatic, not asymptomatic
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Yes but most pre symptomatics like the teacher aren’t really presymptomatic. It’s that humans have a tendency to not want to believe they are in fact sick and will defer to other explanations before putting up sick on the list. It’s also that we tend to feel a lot crummier more often than we care to admit.
 
dad4 said:
An unmasked, unvaccinated teacher directly infects a dozen students. Therefore, masks are the problem?
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So the unmasked teacher, while reading a book, directed air plumes of Covid to a radius of children simultaneously?

Ok, I can’t take that implication from your prior analysis of the effectseriously in this example.

Clearly, the duration indoors in general proximity had a greater statistical impact on the viral dispersion and infection rate.

BTW, where did all the funds go that didn’t upgrade the ventilation in that facility?
 
Grace T. said:
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I’m on the do not call list for Mormon missionaries. I broke a couple of them back in the day and they prefer it if they don’t talk to me. A few months ago two adventists approached me in the park where my son was practicing. Gave them a half hour. Broke one of them before she was shuttled away by the partner. Not exactly a hobby buts it’s something I sometimes get sucked into every now and then. It’s not that I have a problem with faith. I’m actually very faithful myself. I just believe it needs to be forged in truth and above all else without fear.
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Ha! I’m always willing to answer the door and converse for the fun of it.
 
Grace T. said:
Yes but most pre symptomatics like the teacher aren’t presymptomatic. It’s that humans have a tendency to not want to believe they are in fact sick and will defer to other explanations before putting up sick on the list.
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At least this teacher was waiting on test results, but you’re right about human nature for most.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
More than likely she was following the Science you Whirling Dervishes ignore.

George Mason University Professor Speaks Out After Challenging Anti-Science Vaccine Mandate

George Mason University tried to penalize Zywicki for possessing the 'wrong type' of COVID immunity, but he just wasn’t having it.


Zywicki Fought Back and Was Rewarded
George Mason University (GMU) tried to penalize Zywicki for possessing the “wrong type” of COVID immunity, but he wasn’t having it. As a law professor beginning his 24th year teaching at Virginia’s largest four-year public university, Zywicki enjoys well-documented, robust natural immunity from COVID because he already contracted and fully recovered from the virus last year.


“My immunologist says that my antibody level is comparable to somebody who’s been vaccinated,” Zywicki told The Federalist. “The science is quite clear that … natural immunity is at least as effective as the most effective vaccines, meaning 90-95 percent, which the Pfizer and Moderna claim they have, clearly more effective than a less effective vaccine like Johnson & Johson, which is only 66 percent. And it’s not even … a serious discussion whether it’s more protective than Sinovac and Sinopharm.”

Clinical studies from the Cleveland Clinic, Israel, and England support these assertions. Natural immunity is a powerful, long-lasting defense against COVID, and Zywicki said it “protects against a greater array of variants” than the vaccines on the market. The protection afforded by vaccines is reportedly waning, and breakthrough infections are spreading globally.

When GMU tried to coerce Zywicki into getting vaccinated anyway, he had his lawyers at the New Civil Liberties Alliance file suit against GMU on his behalf. Zywicki also slammed his employer’s broad vaccine mandate via a Wall Street Journal op-ed, in which he argued that “there’s no justification for a coercive violation of [his] bodily autonomy.”

Thanks to his willingness to stand up for his convictions, Zywicki himself won’t have to get vaccinated this fall, he won’t be subject to disciplinary action, and he’ll be able to hold office hours and attend in-person events. Zywicki must maintain six feet of distance from others and get tested for COVID on a weekly basis, however, meaning there are still strings attached to his “medical exemption.”
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Abuse of power has happened among men throughout recorded history and we haven't evolved in any significant way in that time. Lincoln's quote will always ring true.

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
 
N00B said:
So the unmasked teacher, while reading a book, directed air plumes of Covid to a radius of children simultaneously?

Ok, I can’t take that implication from your prior analysis of the effectseriously in this example.

Clearly, the duration indoors in general proximity had a greater statistical impact on the viral dispersion and infection rate.

BTW, where did all the funds go that didn’t upgrade the ventilation in that facility?
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Yes. The teacher, while reading a book at story time, made eye contact with every student.

That is how story time works. You speak towards each child in turn, so they know you care about them, and that the story is for them.

Unfortunately, in this case, eye contact also meant respiratory plume contact and covid exposure.

Probably not a ventilation problem. The schematic showed open windows on both sides of the class. Also, the back of the class had far fewer cases than the front. If it were ambient buildup, the front and back would have fared the same.
 
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