Vaccine

Grace T. said:
The problem, again, is if: a) the 90% is true and b) the 90% reduces over time, you can’t get there with boosters because part of it goes away every month. And who cares? You do…because you like masks and vaccine passports….if you use natural immunity you want to get there as fast as possible while immunity is high which means the masks are useless except to make people feel better. Unless you are going to force everyone to get vaxxed repeatedly what you are advocating for makes no sense.

the offices are in a hopeless dilemma in blue states. They can’t reopen while there’s a mask mandate and people are urged to social distance: the masks from the prior article are already a drag on people returning to employment, white collar workers who can work from home won’t tolerate it, the air circulation and density in most buildings are poor, and while you have mask mandates you’ve given everyone a signal it’s not safe yet. Most employees in big companies have been told they’ll need to vaxx and despite a high uptick among white collar workers in blue areas (in blue areas they aren’t the problem) most offices are still shuttered or on restricted capacity. Then there’s testing and quarantine:classrooms are still getting disrupted even in red states due to exposures and what do you do then if someone in an office becomes exposed. The entire point of an office environment is collaboration and socialization which isn’t possible if you are still social distancing. The big company hrs are pulling their hair over this right now.
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dad4 said:
Who cares if you or I “want” 90%? That seems to be what is required. One way or another we will get there.

The only remaining question is how many choose Pfizer and how many choose Delta. Both work. Just expect a heavy thumb on the scale from businesses who would like to reopen their offices.
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In your world, at what point should the government stop f'ing with people over this thing?
 
Desert Hound said:
Dad. 72 million kids 17 and under. 350 deaths.

Your example above is phobia, not reality.

As many time you like to talk about mitigation measures at schools.. it doesn't matter. The data shows there is no issue.

Your the math guy.72 million with 350 deaths. Based on that attempt to justify your preferred mitigation efforts.

Lay it on us
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What rate of damage from COVID-19 to individuals directly and indirectly (from areas where the medical systems are highly impacted) do you find acceptable? -(btw, you know your 350 number is outdated, in 0-17 it is currently 496). I agree the death rate is far higher in older age groups, but you also know infected kids do pass on the virus to other age groups.

There's also the issue of long covid, where symptoms continue in kids more than 4-12 weeks post infection. Long covid symptoms are not necessarily tied to the severity of the initial infection. It's a challenge to study in part because there are not clearly defined diagnostic criteria for adults or kids. (Brain fog, fatigue/exhaustion, headache, There have been studies around the world trying to get an estimate for the percentage of kids that develop long covid. The numbers seem to range from 1% to 10% in kids 2-16. The ages included in these studies varied a bit. (These would be data from the older SARS-cov2 variants, not delta.).
 
Roadrunner said:
What rate of damage from COVID-19 to individuals directly and indirectly (from areas where the medical systems are highly impacted) do you find acceptable? -(btw, you know your 350 number is outdated, in 0-17 it is currently 496). I agree the death rate is far higher in older age groups, but you also know infected kids do pass on the virus to other age groups.

There's also the issue of long covid, where symptoms continue in kids more than 4-12 weeks post infection. Long covid symptoms are not necessarily tied to the severity of the initial infection. It's a challenge to study in part because there are not clearly defined diagnostic criteria for adults or kids. (Brain fog, fatigue/exhaustion, headache, There have been studies around the world trying to get an estimate for the percentage of kids that develop long covid. The numbers seem to range from 1% to 10% in kids 2-16. The ages included in these studies varied a bit. (These would be data from the older SARS-cov2 variants, not delta.).
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It's a challenge to study long covid because no one has had it very long.

Irrelevant anecdote -- my cousin (born in the '40s) had rheumatic fever as a child and was believed to be fully recovered. When he tried to join the Air Force after high school, he flunked the entrance physical exam due to a heart murmur.
 
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Roadrunner said:
What rate of damage from COVID-19 to individuals directly and indirectly (from areas where the medical systems are highly impacted) do you find acceptable? -(btw, you know your 350 number is outdated, in 0-17 it is currently 496). I agree the death rate is far higher in older age groups, but you also know infected kids do pass on the virus to other age groups.

There's also the issue of long covid, where symptoms continue in kids more than 4-12 weeks post infection. Long covid symptoms are not necessarily tied to the severity of the initial infection. It's a challenge to study in part because there are not clearly defined diagnostic criteria for adults or kids. (Brain fog, fatigue/exhaustion, headache, There have been studies around the world trying to get an estimate for the percentage of kids that develop long covid. The numbers seem to range from 1% to 10% in kids 2-16. The ages included in these studies varied a bit. (These would be data from the older SARS-cov2 variants, not delta.).
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The numbers arent as high at 10%. At 10% we’d be seeing a wave of news stories and parent protests. That’s just fear mongering. The upper bound all ages for all children seems to be 2% but that includes things like persistent cough (im at 8 weeks with a cough long rsv). But that doesn’t include, as you say, what we really care about which is debilitating covid for a year or more. At this point however it’s been more than a year with prime so the burden of proof really is on the lockdown forever school at this point.
 
Grace T. said:
The numbers arent as high at 10%. At 10% we’d be seeing a wave of news stories and parent protests. That’s just fear mongering. The upper bound all ages for all children seems to be 2% but that includes things like persistent cough (im at 8 weeks with a cough long rsv). But that doesn’t include, as you say, what we really care about which is debilitating covid for a year or more. At this point however it’s been more than a year with prime so the burden of proof really is on the lockdown forever school at this point.
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These were studies from Italy, the UK and Russia. The numbers cannot be firm at this point either for many reasons, including that they are dealing with a different variant, and the time scales can differ - for obvious reasons too. I'm not fear mongering, just bringing up a real part of the situation that needs to be kept in mind.
 
Roadrunner said:
These were studies from Italy, the UK and Russia. The numbers cannot be firm at this point either for many reasons, including that they are dealing with a different variant, and the time scales can differ - for obvious reasons too. I'm not fear mongering, just bringing up a real part of the situation that needs to be kept in mind.
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But policy is made on data. Not on the basis that it's scary or "think of the children". I agree it's an important question. I agree it's the key question for determining which approach (UK v. Israel) is the correct one. I agree it needs to be studied, ASAP. But right now, the data isn't there to support the notion that long COVID is actually a significant problem in children (the other relevant question being whether long COVID is a significant factor in vaccinated adults). If this data isn't presented soon, other factors (like politics) will force the choice. If you are saying it's difficult/nearly impossible to get that data, particularly given the limited time period that has passed, well then politics in the end will decide it.
 
dad4 said:
Will Hound every stop ignoring whether school transmission leads to added community spread?

Trick question. No he won’t.
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If you believe 90% is the number we need for herd immunity, and if vaccine immunity reduces over time, you'd want community spread (at least among the vaccinated). That's different than Roadrunner's argument which is unvaccinated children may suffer long term side effect, notwithstanding low deaths, so we don't want to hit that 90% number.
 
Lady asks cop to give her 6 feet because he is unmasked. Cop says "I don't need a mask because <unintelligible>"


She needed a bigger dog.
 
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