Vaccine

[Desert Hound]

I don't have a compelling argument for masks that hasn't already been made by dad4. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Actually feel free to look up and post anything dad has said relating to 72 million kids and only 350 deaths.

He avoids talking about that. He says he is a math guy. If he is, then he would tell you that the risk is non existent to this group.

But don't believe me. Try to find anything where he talks about that.

In the meantime, why don't you explain why you think a group of 72 million people who have had only 350 deaths should be mandated to wear masks? Try doing that on your own. Then feel free to post anything dad has said addressing those numbers.

 

[NorCalDad]

Pediatric Covid hospitalizations surge to highest on record in U.S. as doctors brace for more

Since most students aren't old enough to get the shots, doctors and epidemiologists say they fear the surge in Covid hospitalizations could get worse.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Desert Hound]

but I'm interested in hearing more if that amounts to evidence that masks have harmful effects on kids).

Lets start with this.

With 72 million kids and only 350 deaths....you tell us why you think this group should mask up.

What risk do they have that would justify wearing masks?

 

[crush]

Go find a parent with a child with a speech impediment. Let me know how that works out for you..

I would have been screwed in the mask class back in the 70s. I stuttered so bad this would have ruined me socially. "Take your mask off before you speak dummy." However, I would have just surfed everyday and just worked instead.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

(And honestly, I don't see the point to arguing with you guys. It's easier to just put people like Grace T on ignore.)

Just wear a mask dude. Seems to work miracles. Especially for kids. Makes them feel like women in the middle east.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I don't have a compelling argument for masks that hasn't already been made by dad4. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Clear as mud through a snorkel.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I understand that we've ruled out the possibility that masks will make kids severely ill or kill them, and I also understand people have made some assertions to personal freedom - so something other than those things. One guy alluded to an issue for kids with disabilities - that's definitely a consideration in California if true because it would potentially expose the school/district to liability (FWIW I'm skeptical of disparate effects on kids with disabilities because those lawsuits would surely have been filed by now and I'm not aware of any - but I'm interested in hearing more if that amounts to evidence that masks have harmful effects on kids).

Funny how you people ignore the MERS and SARS1 outcomes while looking at a years worth of SARS-2 data, on policies never before tried, to find empirical data for the adverse effects on child mask wearing. It's laughable.

 

[Grace T.]

Pediatric Covid hospitalizations surge to highest on record in U.S. as doctors brace for more

Since most students aren't old enough to get the shots, doctors and epidemiologists say they fear the surge in Covid hospitalizations could get worse.

www.cnbc.com

You missed the part where it says kids account for 1.8% of hospitalizations. If there are a ton of cases out there, then of course the cases among kids and kids in hospital are going to rise. BTW this happens with a bad flu and a bad RSV season too. This article is just more of the fear porn trying to lay the ground work for possible school closures.

 

[crush]

That's not evidence.

Yes it is fool. Plus, it's cruel and unusual punishment to put masks on little kids and teenagers and the adults. Loser's lost and this is what they do, they ruin other peoples lives and then try and pin it on the domestic terrorists. Bribes and blackmail runs deep in some places. I hear DHS was handing children off to the trafficker's you asshole. The same DHS is saying I am a terrorist. This is so about the kids is obvious. Teachers supporting fear and mental abuse is BS! Take the mask off now!!! "What kids had died with a mask" is fucking bullshit question. What mental abuse are we causing the kiddos. All you on the side of masking kids have karma coming for your ass. Trust me! At least the truck drivers are striking in Australia. . If teachers who cared about the kids first would take a stand for freedom and not their retirement, we could fix this shit now. You mask people suck!! Now, when the next big false flag hits, don't blame me for it. Losers!!!

 

[Grace T.]

Jaw dropping, except for the minor detail that I never said that.

What I said: Unless there is evidence to the contrary, we should assume that masks cause the same percentage reduction for Delta as masks cause for prime.

As for your hand waving arguments:

a- Higher viral loads do not imply that masks have a lower percentage reduction for Delta.
b- An equal percentage reduction from a higher base is fully consistent with the recent case rates from Asia.
c- The Waterloo study never claims that the percentage reduction for Delta is at all changed.

Now, do you have any actual evidence that masks cause a lower percentage reduction for Delta than for any other variant? Evidence, as in a link and a quote from a published paper. Not just writing “there is a surge in Taipei, so the masks must be a bad idea.”

Errr...I thought you were a math guy? Are you disputing that the Delta has a higher viral load than Prime?

Isn't the model very simple....Viral load you are exposed to - that protected by the mask> the minimum amount of exposure required to get COVID ----> you have COVID

If the viral load is higher but the masks don't improve in quality, you get more people sick.

Really really really basic stuff here. It also explains what's happening in real world if you assume arguendo, as you said you believed, masks did it in Asia. There would have to be an explanation as to why then it worked then and why it isn't working now. So while a cloth mask may have been adequate in some circumstances before, now not so much.

Again, really really really basic stuff, particularly for a math guy. But it is one thing I've noticed about the higher mathematics types...the further they go down the rabbit hole of higher mathematical principles, the less an appreciation the basics meant to them. Whenever I'm dealing with a new BA type, I remember having to constantly tell them to not get lost in the weeds of their own brilliance and to refocus them on the basics.

 

[watfly]

You missed the part where it says kids account for 1.8% of hospitalizations. If there are a ton of cases out there, then of course the cases among kids and kids in hospital are going to rise. BTW this happens with a bad flu and a bad RSV season too. This article is just more of the fear porn trying to lay the ground work for possible school closures.

When I read "Surge to Highest on Record" I almost pee'd my pants...but then I read the article.

 

[crush]

Just wear a mask dude. Seems to work miracles. Especially for kids. Makes them feel like women in the middle east.

You know why they treat woman like shit over there, right? The dudes can;t control themselves and have been taught wrong about God's most beautiful creatures ever created, the woman The Afghnai women are some of the most beautiful in the world. The men are whacked and so backwards they can;t handle the beauty, especial the beauty of a woman's hair. It's start with the hair guys if your not a pervert, then eyes and then the smile. Genesis shares about this very thing. The dudes couldn;t control themselves in their religion so they put a sheet over the girls head. It's the woman's fault for making men lust they say. What a waste of beauty because some dude can't stop lusting. 2022 is the year to free all of the woman.

1970s Afghanistan Ladies

 

[espola]

I don't have a compelling argument for masks that hasn't already been made by dad4. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

(And honestly, I don't see the point to arguing with you guys. It's easier to just put people like Grace T on ignore.)

All I am looking for is a clear, specific explanation of the harmful effects that masks have on kids and supporting studies/information, if someone would like to take the time to provide it. If there are no known harmful effects, that's fine. Just ignore my question or say you don't know of any.

I understand that we've ruled out the possibility that masks will make kids severely ill or kill them, and I also understand people have made some assertions to personal freedom - so something other than those things. One guy alluded to an issue for kids with disabilities - that's definitely a consideration in California if true because it would potentially expose the school/district to liability (FWIW I'm skeptical of disparate effects on kids with disabilities because those lawsuits would surely have been filed by now and I'm not aware of any - but I'm interested in hearing more if that amounts to evidence that masks have harmful effects on kids).

Any school child who has a disability that contraindicates the use of masks can get an exemption.

And don't ignore Grace. She is a source of daily entertainment, once you know what to expect.

 

[espola]

I'm beginning to suspect this may be yet another clone of a certain person I know.

Which one?

 

[Grace T.]

Which one?

Kicking has a theory up above. It's not you. The other trolls do it much better than you.

I never bought into the theory espola=busker=EOTL. What I do find curious is that one day you were waxing lyrical about posting a wall of shame of antivaxxers who died of COVID, but decided not to when called out on it, but then Novadad decides to do it and you are there commenting that it's morbid. You two also always seem to show up at the same time like Clark Kent and Superman, but it may very well just be someone who was actually willing to do what you fantasied about.

 

[crush]

Kicking has a theory up above. It's not you. The other trolls do it much better than you.

I never bought into the theory espola=busker=EOTL. What I do find curious is that one day you were waxing lyrical about posting a wall of shame of antivaxxers who died of COVID, but decided not to when called out on it, but then Novadad decides to do it and you are there commenting that it's morbid. You two also always seem to show up at the same time like Clark Kent and Superman, but it may very well just be someone who was actually willing to do what you fantasied about.

Look, way back when in them old forum days, they had master avatar accounts (Dom killed it. Thanks Dom)) to use to punch people with bullshit and take out their pride & ego out on others all the while hiding behind a screen like a big baby. I forget the avatar's names but some of the fellas would have the login and then hide behind their hate they spewed that day. Back then it was to attack a kid and or their father. Today, it's all mafia politics. These dudes mean business Grace. I used to get some nasty PMs and warnings from old friends in the game to back "off Charlie" and "you best STFU or else." I told them to stop lying to 13 and 14 year olds and say sorry and it's cool.
Espola is not for kids and has zero kids in the game. WTF is he here? EOTL hated kids ((no kids in the game and threaten me and my dd not to be around his "neighborhood")) and has no kids in the game. WTF is he still here hiding behind all these avatars? Because he's sicko that's whyo. K & S is smart and is onto what I have been unto from the beginning. I took on the Beast. The Beast hates me and I know why and he knows why. I win and he loses at the end. Millstone business is big time now at Camp Delta, down at the Bay.

 

[espola]

Kicking has a theory up above. It's not you. The other trolls do it much better than you.

I never bought into the theory espola=busker=EOTL. What I do find curious is that one day you were waxing lyrical about posting a wall of shame of antivaxxers who died of COVID, but decided not to when called out on it, but then Novadad decides to do it and you are there commenting that it's morbid. You two also always seem to show up at the same time like Clark Kent and Superman, but it may very well just be someone who was actually willing to do what you fantasied about.

Nobody called me out. I said I wasn't going to do it because it was too morbid. I feel it is appropriate to repeat that judgment when I see someone else doing it.

You just invent new shit every day, don't you?

 

[Grace T.]

Nobody called me out. I said I wasn't going to do it because it was too morbid. I feel it is appropriate to repeat that judgment when I see someone else doing it.

You just invent new shit every day, don't you?

back to being magoo, or just embarrassed (if that’s even possible with you) by your behavior and what you suggested (and that someone else is living your fantasy)?

funny Too that the poster’s sole contribution to the covid discussion is your fantasy….hmmmm.

 

[espola]

back to being magoo, or just embarrassed (if that’s even possible with you) by your behavior and what you suggested (and that someone else is living your fantasy)?

funny Too that the poster’s sole contribution to the covid discussion is your fantasy….hmmmm.

Do you have yourself convinced yet?

 

[dad4]

Errr...I thought you were a math guy? Are you disputing that the Delta has a higher viral load than Prime?

Isn't the model very simple....Viral load you are exposed to - that protected by the mask> the minimum amount of exposure required to get COVID ----> you have COVID

If the viral load is higher but the masks don't improve in quality, you get more people sick.

Really really really basic stuff here. It also explains what's happening in real world if you assume arguendo, as you said you believed, masks did it in Asia. There would have to be an explanation as to why then it worked then and why it isn't working now. So while a cloth mask may have been adequate in some circumstances before, now not so much.

Again, really really really basic stuff, particularly for a math guy. But it is one thing I've noticed about the higher mathematics types...the further they go down the rabbit hole of higher mathematical principles, the less an appreciation the basics meant to them. Whenever I'm dealing with a new BA type, I remember having to constantly tell them to not get lost in the weeds of their own brilliance and to refocus them on the basics.

You do realize that you are trying to tell me how to interpret a parameter in a 2 variable differential equation?

Ok. Go back to telling me how easy the math is...

 

[crush]

You do realize that you are trying to tell me how to interpret a parameter in a 2 variable differential equation?

Ok. Go back to telling me how easy the math is...

PM me your address dad and I'll mail you one, just for you. A great xmas gift, ehh?

Image of the Day: Now, one can easily eat food while wearing this mask

The Image of the Day brings to a look at a mask which is no longer a barrier to you. Now, one can easily eat food while wearing this mask worn by a man in this video circulated across the internet. Here's a look.

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