Vaccine

[dad4]

It’s

There's a little bit for everyone to hate in this one......

Let's Stop Pretending About the Covid-19 Vaccines

As a family physician, I spend my days dispensing advice. I mean, there’s the occasional cast, skin biopsy, or shot, but most of my patients are seeing me for medical counsel. Never have I been

www.realclearscience.com

That article is just not very well thought out. It jumps to dramatic contrarian positions very quickly, without bothering to scope out the problem space.

For example, it presents impressive sounding numbers about asymptomatic infections of vaccinated people. Why do we care about asymptomatic infections? She doesn’t say. What kind of spread is occurring from symptomatic cases? She does a half hearted back of the envelope swag to assert that it must be large.

Then more of the same. She repeated gives half an argument, but presents it as a definitive conclusion.

Reads like this forum.

 

[Grace T.]

Score another for Bruddah and the UK approach. Antibodies decrease faster in vaccinated people than recovered natural immunity people.

The open question of course is that antibodies always wane...the relevant question now is what impact that has on disease.

Large-scale study of antibody titer decay following BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine or SARS-CoV-2 infection

Background Immune protection following either vaccination or infection with SARS-CoV-2 decreases over time. Objective To determine the kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies following administration of two doses of BNT162b2 vaccine, or SARS-CoV-2 infection in unvaccinated individuals. Methods...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[Bruddah IZ]

It’s

That article is just not very well thought out. It jumps to dramatic contrarian positions very quickly, without bothering to scope out the problem space.

For example, it presents impressive sounding numbers about asymptomatic infections of vaccinated people. Why do we care about asymptomatic infections? She doesn’t say. What kind of spread is occurring from symptomatic cases? She does a half hearted back of the envelope swag to assert that it must be large.

Then more of the same. She repeated gives half an argument, but presents it as a definitive conclusion.

Reads like this forum.

Another mea culpa regarding cases this time. Please continue.

 

[dad4]

Score another for Bruddah and the UK approach. Antibodies decrease faster in vaccinated people than recovered natural immunity people.

Large-scale study of antibody titer decay following BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine or SARS-CoV-2 infection

Background Immune protection following either vaccination or infection with SARS-CoV-2 decreases over time. Objective To determine the kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies following administration of two doses of BNT162b2 vaccine, or SARS-CoV-2 infection in unvaccinated individuals. Methods...

www.medrxiv.org

Why? Are antibodies now responsible for long term immunity?

 

[what-happened]

Why? Are antibodies now responsible for long term immunity?

Not entirely on their own but they are an important part of the equation.

 

[crush]

Wow, I knew the stamp of FDA Full Approval on it would get some places cocky, but their true colors are now out. That was quick. Most work places so far are requiring all workers to take the vax unless the person has a damn good religious reason not to get the jab. So it will be the Normal Vaxxed People vs The Hardcore Religious Objectors. This is starting to look really odd and strange. The crazy religious folks must test negative to enter work every week on their own dime and time and prove it with a negative. Plus wear a mask with all the vaxxed. I think the Vaxxed should get tested for Covid too since they can spread this virus still. The double standard is ridiculous and needs to stop asap. All of this so lame. Wait until I share an email exchange I just had with a old friend who thinks Im not acting in the best interest of mankind or my family. In order to work at my buddies place, they have to test every week on their own dime and turn in papers to prove their not sick with virus. Everyone has to wear a mask. This is the only way to operate I guess. It's weird how this is starting to really get to the bottom of jab or no jab.

 

[crush]

Biden is calling for business to be the one's who do the mandating and the schools. This is interesting way to cause division and not be big brother doing it like down under. Let's see how this plays out.

 

[Grace T.]

The BBC now on the Gottlieb booster approach v. the natural immunity booster approach

Covid: What’s the best way to top up our immunity?

Now we have some protection, do we need to keep boosting or can nature take its course?

www.bbc.com

 

[Desert Hound]

The BBC now on the Gottlieb booster approach v. the natural immunity booster approach

Covid: What’s the best way to top up our immunity?

Now we have some protection, do we need to keep boosting or can nature take its course?

www.bbc.com

It is good they are noticing/asking questions such as these?


There is clear evidence that adults who have not had any vaccine dose will have stronger immune defences if they do get vaccinated, even if they have caught Covid before.
But there are two big questions:

• do vaccinated adults need to be boosted, or is exposure to the virus enough?
• do children need vaccinating at all, or does a lifetime of encountering build a good immune defence?

 

[crush]

The BBC now on the Gottlieb booster approach v. the natural immunity booster approach

Covid: What’s the best way to top up our immunity?

Now we have some protection, do we need to keep boosting or can nature take its course?

www.bbc.com

Quick highlights from my speed reading. I can actually look at a page, take a quick a pic in my brain and go after it. Thanks Grace

"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.

Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid".

 

[NorCalDad]

There are two rules in life that I try to follow:

- Never, under any circumstance, get behind a Prius.

- Never, ever, be on the same side as Alex Jones.

Do what you want with those.

 

[Desert Hound]

There are two rules in life that I try to follow:

- Never, under any circumstance, get behind a Prius.

- Never, ever, be on the same side as Alex Jones.

Do what you want with those.

Occasionally Jones may be right. Never get behind a Prius.

That is the difference.

And no I am no fan of Jones.

 

[Desert Hound]

Never, ever, be on the same side as Alex Jones

And he is an idiot. I didn't edit in time above.

 

[Desert Hound]

 

[dad4]

Quick highlights from my speed reading. I can actually look at a page, take a quick a pic in my brain and go after it. Thanks Grace

"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.

Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid".

Your speed reading failed you. You saw what you wanted to see.

They are not arguing that you should skip your first shot.

They are arguing that there is no point in giving me a third shot. It’s a good argument.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

I clicked on the Israeli serology study linked earlier today. Here's my 2 cents.

It's a nice set of data. Given their vaxx data is weighted towards the beginning and end points, I would not be surprised if during review they were asked to comment on the possibility that their regression line is actually composed of two kinetic components (ie a fast initial drop followed by a slope similar to convalescent plasma) and is not a simple linear relationship. That might make a lot of sense. To look at it I superimposed their vaxx and convalescent scatter plots as on graph below, adjusting the x-axis since the vaxx data ends at 6 months while the convalescnent data set goes out further.

The main thing I'd point out is in regards to the y-axis, which is on a log scale. Each dot is the anti-S antibody titer of an individual as determined from a blood sample. Blue for vaxx, red for infection. For both groups, like I was saying the other day, there is huge (~1000X) variability from one person to another in antibody titer. Who, among these people, would be most prone for possibly symptomatic re-infection or (as it is being termed for vaxxed) breakthrough infection? Well, probably people with lower titers towards the bottom of the y-axis. Note you find both red and blue dot people down there.

The x-axis is then tracking out how circulating titer decays over time, which is their main focus. There's a clear ~10X initial higher titer with vaxx, which drop to superimposable levels with CoV-2 infection titers within 6 months. To know if they'd keep dropping according to the slope of their regression line they'd need to run it out further.

So if somebody wants to look at this data and interpret it to mean that vaxx or CoV-2 infection is somehow a "better" way to prime an immune response I don't know what aspect of the data that would be. It just seems a silly argument and unwarranted dichotomy, given that it's the same cellular processes that are being stimulated in both cases by the same protein. Nor is the study trying to make a "this is better than that" distinction. They are interested in the titer kinetics with respect to possible timing of boosters for immunocomp and vulnerable people.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

keep me in your thoughts. You think this is funny, dont you? Hunter. You will see the truth some day Evil.

I still have some good old King James racked up upstairs, so I will send you "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it". John if I recall. 2008 really sucked for me. You can make it. Keep going.

Parts of it are funny. Other parts not so much. Complexity reduced to mutually exclusive this or that incompatibilities, networked into diametrically opposed sets of unrelated things equated with good and bad. Of course a mutually agreed upon framework to sort things out becomes increasingly untenable. Media controls and distorts the narrative. Everyone understands that now, but it may not be possible to fix it in time. I see that as part of the truth of the moment.

Hunter. I assume you mean Biden. I am not on a first name basis with all these people. I saw Igor Fruman has decided to change his plea, however. I wonder where that might be going.

Here's a quote from a book written by a smart, but subversive, person. Not a good person, worse than me. Unfortunately, much of it seems to be prescentient.

"We created a society. Organised a rebellion of two-dimensional people against the complex and cunning. We are against those who never say ‘yes’ or ‘no’… who know the third word. There are many third words… confusing the ways, darkening truth… in these darknesses and cobwebs hides and multiplies all the dirt of the world. They are the house of Satan. There they make money and bombs… We begin tomorrow. We will win. Or lose. A third way is not available."

 

[Grace T.]

I clicked on the Israeli serology study linked earlier today. Here's my 2 cents.

It's a nice set of data. Given their vaxx data is weighted towards the beginning and end points, I would not be surprised if during review they were asked to comment on the possibility that their regression line is actually composed of two kinetic components (ie a fast initial drop followed by a slope similar to convalescent plasma) and is not a simple linear relationship. That might make a lot of sense. To look at it I superimposed their vaxx and convalescent scatter plots as on graph below, adjusting the x-axis since the vaxx data ends at 6 months while the convalescnent data set goes out further.

The main thing I'd point out is in regards to the y-axis, which is on a log scale. Each dot is the anti-S antibody titer of an individual as determined from a blood sample. Blue for vaxx, red for infection. For both groups, like I was saying the other day, there is huge (~1000X) variability from one person to another in antibody titer. Who, among these people, would be most prone for possibly symptomatic re-infection or (as it is being termed for vaxxed) breakthrough infection? Well, probably people with lower titers towards the bottom of the y-axis. Note you find both red and blue dot people down there.

The x-axis is then tracking out how circulating titer decays over time, which is their main focus. There's a clear ~10X initial higher titer with vaxx, which drop to superimposable levels with CoV-2 infection titers within 6 months. To know if they'd keep dropping according to the slope of their regression line they'd need to run it out further.

So if somebody wants to look at this data and interpret it to mean that vaxx or CoV-2 infection is somehow a "better" way to prime an immune response I don't know what aspect of the data that would be. It just seems a silly argument and unwarranted dichotomy, given that it's the same cellular processes that are being stimulated in both cases by the same protein. Nor is the study trying to make a "this is better than that" distinction. They are interested in the titer kinetics with respect to possible timing of boosters for immunocomp and vulnerable people.

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Because of the drop, which as you say needs to be run out further. It raises the policy question well if they are dropping what do we do about it because we don’t want people to be vulnerable again. Gottlieb talks about booster (but that means npis including if things get bad renewed lockdowns because you want to protect people who are on the lower end of protective immunity) or the Uk approach (which involves natural infection as the booster and removing restrictions because you want the virus to circulate). The Israeli study does not dive into the dichotomy…but it does create it.

 

[crush]

Your speed reading failed you. You saw what you wanted to see.

OK

I still have some good old King James racked up upstairs, so I will send you "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it". John if I recall. 2008 really sucked for me. You can make it. Keep going.

Parts of it are funny. Other parts not so much.

"So that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name." This is going on as I write. No jab=no job. No mark ((no proof of Jab)), no buy or sell? I'm not sure if this the big event people have been waiting on for 1000s of years but man, some of you took the "shot of the beast" so fast I was a little surprised. I will 100% never take the "shot of the beast" or his boosters made from Dr. Fraud and his pals who are getting so rich with the root of all Evil. You guys are all in and looks like no turning back. This is 100% a Jim Jones Kool Aid Spike Protein. Some of you went on that Jim Jones Kool Aid GDA boat ride and I was 100% right about that ship wreak. This is 100% worse, I swear. Here are some extra scriptures for you and Dad. I do read quickly and I will admit with no regret, I like to cherry pick what I like, just like everyone else. It's human nature to like to be right. I have read the bible for over 35 years, 30 of them everyday.

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.


Mark this down Evil & Dad of 4 kids: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. They are the kind WHO worm their way into taking advantage of woman who just need some love and kindness.

 

[dad4]

Because of the drop, which as you say needs to be run out further. It raises the policy question well if they are dropping what do we do about it because we don’t want people to be vulnerable again. Gottlieb talks about booster (but that means npis including if things get bad renewed lockdowns because you want to protect people who are on the lower end of protective immunity) or the Uk approach (which involves natural infection as the booster and removing restrictions because you want the virus to circulate). The Israeli study does not dive into the dichotomy…but it does create it.

Why would the existence of a booster shot make lockdowns more likely?

I don’t think you’ll see many more business closures. High vax areas aren’t getting large enough spikes to provoke lockdown discussions. Low vax areas don’t have political support for business closures.

Short of a truly vaccine resistant variant, i would bet businesses stay open.