Vaccine

Many won't like the posthumous mockery, but it is mostly fair.

The anti-vax crusaders were quite content to put other people at risk by undermining public health measures. It's no shock that some of that damage fell on the people who caused it.
 
Many won't like the posthumous mockery, but it is mostly fair.

The anti-vax crusaders were quite content to put other people at risk by undermining public health measures. It's no shock that some of that damage fell on the people who caused it.

Statistically inevitable.
 
As well as the 98.7% chance of not dying and not being vaccinated. Lets not lose the forest through the trees.
It is actually a far better rate than that.

The at risk group is currently vaxxed at a very high rate. That was the group the consisted of over 80% of all deaths.

The other very at risk people with health issues have been vaxxed at a very high rate.

The rest of us? Vaxxed or not have really no risk of covid. Why we pretend otherwise is beyond me.
 
As well as the 98.7% chance of not dying and not being vaccinated. Lets not lose the forest through the trees. I, personally am vaccinated, but this virus still has a very small mortality percentage.
98.7% sounds impressive, but how often do you voluntarily take a 1.3% chance of dying? Or a 10% chance of hospitalization?

I agree we should keep it in perspective. These risks are higher than I usually take. If you like to street race motorcycles, then the risk probably sounds more reasonable to you.
 
98.7% sounds impressive, but how often do you voluntarily take a 1.3% chance of dying? Or a 10% chance of hospitalization?

I agree we should keep it in perspective. These risks are higher than I usually take. If you like to street race motorcycles, then the risk probably sounds more reasonable to you.
Actually it’s about the same risk as riding a motorcycle regularly for transport or recreation (not street racing): if you crash there’s about a .5% chance if you dying….a 3-4% chance of you having a serious injury requiring medical intervention…a little more than a 10% chance of being hospitalized. The ifr for covid no vaxxed now stands at about .2-.4% and the cfr at just under 1%. For vaxxed even lower. And if you ride a motorcycle regularly for transport or recreation you will eventually crash. If the vaccine does not stop transmission everyone will get it. The vaccine is riding the motorcycle with a helmet, boots and leather jacket (the masks are riding the motorcycle with the fancy leather vest with a skull on it) If you are older it might also be time to rethink riding that motorcycle. The motorcycle is a good analogy…it’s actually slightly more risky but we allow people to do it.
 
Actually it’s about the same risk as riding a motorcycle regularly for transport or recreation (not street racing): if you crash there’s about a .5% chance if you dying….a 3-4% chance of you having a serious injury requiring medical intervention…a little more than a 10% chance of being hospitalized. The ifr for covid no vaxxed now stands at about .2-.4% and the cfr at just under 1%. For vaxxed even lower. And if you ride a motorcycle regularly for transport or recreation you will eventually crash. If the vaccine does not stop transmission everyone will get it. The vaccine is riding the motorcycle with a helmet, boots and leather jacket (the masks are riding the motorcycle with the fancy leather vest with a skull on it) If you are older it might also be time to rethink riding that motorcycle. The motorcycle is a good analogy…it’s actually slightly more risky but we allow people to do it.

Usually, when someone suffers a motorcycle wreck, it does not raise the probability of other members of the victim's neighborhood having a similar accident.
 
Usually, when someone suffers a motorcycle wreck, it does not raise the probability of other members of the victim's neighborhood having a similar accident.
Errr unless it’s a wipe out someone else usually does crash with you. I was once on an off ramp and a motorcycle breezing past center lane took out my mirror. Was pod. They didn’t even stop and just ran.

Everyone’s going to get it. If the vaccine really is only 60% effective at symptomatic infection (and doesn’t stop transmission as the cdc is implying) unless you bunker everyone is going to come down with it. It’s inevitable. We are only talking timing now
 
When was the last time someone like PoorEspola, dad4, husker and all the other health pros pushing the jab have talked about your real health? Seriously? Obama party was so sophisticated with Elitism they didn't need to wear a mask. Plus, everyone got a bag of Kush. Crush is for eating healthy, veggies, fruit, nuts, exercise, BMI and so much more? Poorespola wants to go on his cruises without God believing folks. A true Elite snob that he is. Look at the liar lie and and mislead everyone with death and fear. Blamed all the deaths last year on Covid 19. Today, all deaths are from stupid non-jabbers like me, my wife and my daughter and I believe my boy. I will take you fools on any day of the week. Evil monsters. Look at Nova spreading his fear and death lies. Dude, I swear to you as fellow forum user and to all; the United States Military and NSA is watching you right now. All health doctors, teachers and everyone listen up. Watch what you push on my kids. You can have all the travel you want. I will not fly ever with you on a plane. You can have all the bars, casinos, booz, meat, cruise ships, strip joints, all the fantasy Islands, all public schools but one thing you can't have is is our kids. Freedom for me and freedom for our kids. Let them go!!! Game on. Q drop 1839, 3 year delta......PACKETS? From? When?
 
What I find ironic is the same people who typically respond "my body.. my choice" are now all the sudden behind the government telling people what they can and can't do.
It is different this time.

Why?

Because you might spread the virus to someone else who is going to survive it and not even know they had it. Or maybe got the sniffles.

Big difference ;)
 
Errr unless it’s a wipe out someone else usually does crash with you. I was once on an off ramp and a motorcycle breezing past center lane took out my mirror. Was pod. They didn’t even stop and just ran.

Everyone’s going to get it. If the vaccine really is only 60% effective at symptomatic infection (and doesn’t stop transmission as the cdc is implying) unless you bunker everyone is going to come down with it. It’s inevitable. We are only talking timing now
I don't understand how you think that is responsive to what I posted.
 
Errr unless it’s a wipe out someone else usually does crash with you. I was once on an off ramp and a motorcycle breezing past center lane took out my mirror. Was pod. They didn’t even stop and just ran.

Everyone’s going to get it. If the vaccine really is only 60% effective at symptomatic infection (and doesn’t stop transmission as the cdc is implying) unless you bunker everyone is going to come down with it. It’s inevitable. We are only talking timing now
You’re actually using the “human projectile” theory they used to explain seat belt laws. No one took it seriously, because it was a really bad argument.

It’s still a really bad argument. ”Hit by flying motorcyclist” is not, in fact, a common cause of death in the United States.

By contrast, ”infected by unvaccinated covid victim”, is a common cause of death. Hundreds of them per day.
 
By contrast, ”infected by unvaccinated covid victim”, is a common cause of death. Hundreds of them per day.
Um….didn’t the CDC and the Great Dr Fauci go on record stating that Vaxx’d can carry and spread the virus? So let’s step outside the narrative that it’s the Unvaxx’d fault. I mean, does my Vaccine not work if you don’t have one?

Now a second question, how many of the unvaxx’d that are in the hospital have had Covid once already?
 
I just got off the phone with my pal from Kirkland, WA. Liberal as they come, but truth and Justice come first before being a Lib. I tend to be on the Conservative side with a taste of "everyone" should have a Basic Living Wage ((BLW)), which to me is food, shelter, blankets, clothing and opportunity to contribute. Mental illness needs to be done with compassion and wisdom. Anyway, he is 100% NEVER and I mean NEVER EVER taking another shot. He fessed up with honesty. He now see's how he and some of his pals were played up in the Pacific Northwest. He and his wife also HATED t. Not no more. I was blind but now I see he says :) I'm so proud of him. He thanked me for speaking truth to him. He's just getting over the Rona, after two jabs. His wife is sick and best pal is sick. All jabbed too......He knows it's not anti-jabbers giving him the flu because his whole family and neighborhood got the jabs. He say's the flu usually hits later in the Fall but all of sudden people feel sick.
 
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