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kickingandscreaming said:
We'll add it to the list.

nypost.com

50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh

For the past two weeks in Glasgow, Scotland, world leaders have gathered at COP 26, the United Nations Climate Change Conference, to listen to the same message: Disaster is just around the corner.
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One should reflect back on the decades of bad predictions and maybe slow down and think a bit.

Problem is most wont do that. They just remember the scary headlines and run based on that.

One would think with a 50 yr record of terrible predictions it would give one the idea that maybe these predictions are overblown.

Add that in to the fact that the climate model predictions have been terrible. When you go back and look at what they predicted for this decade vs actual data they are way off.
 
Desert Hound said:
One should reflect back on the decades of bad predictions and maybe slow down and think a bit.

Problem is most wont do that. They just remember the scary headlines and run based on that.

One would think with a 50 yr record of terrible predictions it would give one the idea that maybe these predictions are overblown.

Add that in to the fact that the climate model predictions have been terrible. When you go back and look at what they predicted for this decade vs actual data they are way off.
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I remember in the early 70's it was all about how the earth was getting cooler, my recollection was the claim that pollution was blocking the suns rays from the earth.

We've come a long way since then and have improved our air and water quality in many areas substantially (ie things we can control). In some part due to the EPA (as created by Nixon) which has now become bloated and unmanageable like many government agencies.
 
watfly said:
I remember in the early 70's it was all about how the earth was getting cooler, my recollection was the claim that pollution was blocking the suns rays from the earth.

We've come a long way since then and have improved our air and water quality in many areas substantially (ie things we can control). In some part due to the EPA (as created by Nixon) which has now become bloated and unmanageable like many government agencies.
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Remember it well.

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"In Search of..." The Coming Ice Age (TV Episode 1978) ⭐ 7.4 | Documentary, Mystery

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kickingandscreaming said:
Remember it well.

www.imdb.com

"In Search of..." The Coming Ice Age (TV Episode 1978) ⭐ 7.4 | Documentary, Mystery

| Not Rated
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The global cooling theory has been "debunked" with the claim that climate science wasn't as sophisticated in the 1970's as it is now. Of course, in 20 years climate science is going to be a lot more sophisticated then it is now.

I don't doubt that global climate change is happening, I just don't believe the hyperbole. The best way to fight it is with technology, instead of destroying our economy with token and meaningless product and behavior restrictions.
 
watfly said:
I don't doubt that global climate change is happening, I just don't believe the hyperbole.
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Climate change has always happened. The earth has never had one stable temperature.

The earth has been far cooler and far warmer...and all without human intervention.

Many scientists talk about how the press and politicians over hype this. They take the executive summary of the IPCC reports and run with that. They overlook the fact that the actual report does not talk about catastrophic warming. The exec summary takes the worst possible case scenarios and implies that is what the consensus of reports in the IPCC conclude. In fact they (the scenarios) talk about a variety of possible outcomes (all uncertain).

Many scientists ( who believe in warming) talk about using tech to deal with anything in the future...rather than making decision based on the idea of catastrophic warming. We are rather resilient.
 
Desert Hound said:
Climate change has always happened. The earth has never had one stable temperature.

The earth has been far cooler and far warmer...and all without human intervention.

Many scientists talk about how the press and politicians over hype this. They take the executive summary of the IPCC reports and run with that. They overlook the fact that the actual report does not talk about catastrophic warming. The exec summary takes the worst possible case scenarios and implies that is what the consensus of reports in the IPCC conclude. In fact they (the scenarios) talk about a variety of possible outcomes (all uncertain).

Many scientists ( who believe in warming) talk about using tech to deal with anything in the future...rather than making decision based on the idea of catastrophic warming. We are rather resilient.
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Funny thing is those that believe in catastrophic warming, their initiatives are akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic (maybe not the best analogy to use today). Let's be perfectly honest, the only way to lessen humans' impact on the environment, if the situation is as severe as they say, would be to limit human reproduction. Anything else would just be window dressing and virtue signaling.

Fortunately, it not as dire as the climate cult claims and like you said climate has changed through the history of the earth with or without humans. It's just that now science has become so arrogant it thinks its ideas can prevent climate change (just like they thought their ideas could stop Covid).

IMO I think the best thing we could do now for our environment would be to move to nuclear energy. Clean, safe, efficient and requires a very small footprint as compared to renewables.
 
Desert Hound said:
Climate change has always happened. The earth has never had one stable temperature.

The earth has been far cooler and far warmer...and all without human intervention.

Many scientists talk about how the press and politicians over hype this. They take the executive summary of the IPCC reports and run with that. They overlook the fact that the actual report does not talk about catastrophic warming. The exec summary takes the worst possible case scenarios and implies that is what the consensus of reports in the IPCC conclude. In fact they (the scenarios) talk about a variety of possible outcomes (all uncertain).

Many scientists ( who believe in warming) talk about using tech to deal with anything in the future...rather than making decision based on the idea of catastrophic warming. We are rather resilient.
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You hit the key point, at least -- "human intervention". The Earth's climate has never before been subject to an influence as pervasive as ours.
 
watfly said:
Funny thing is those that believe in catastrophic warming, their initiatives are akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic (maybe not the best analogy to use today). Let's be perfectly honest, the only way to lessen humans' impact on the environment, if the situation is as severe as they say, would be to limit human reproduction. Anything else would just be window dressing and virtue signaling.

Fortunately, it not as dire as the climate cult claims and like you said climate has changed through the history of the earth with or without humans. It's just that now science has become so arrogant it thinks its ideas can prevent climate change (just like they thought their ideas could stop Covid).

IMO I think the best thing we could do now for our environment would be to move to nuclear energy. Clean, safe, efficient and requires a very small footprint as compared to renewables.
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We can either limit the human population voluntarily or allow it to happen by crisis.
 
watfly said:
IMO I think the best thing we could do now for our environment would be to move to nuclear energy. Clean, safe, efficient and requires a very small footprint as compared to renewables.
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The funny thing is...those people that say we MUST ACT NOW and reduce / eliminate fossil fuels refuse to ramp up nuclear power. You know the source of energy that is reliable, endless and has no greenhouse gas emissions.

And yet they fight against that option despite saying action MUST BE TAKEN NOW!!
 
espola said:
You hit the key point, at least -- "human intervention". The Earth's climate has never before been subject to an influence as pervasive as ours.
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Funny that comment.

So in the past the climate around the globe has fluctuated wildly. Being vastly colder and vastly warmer countless times throughout Earths history. None of those events were due to human activity and none of them caused global catastrophe. This is the normal variation of the Earths climate.

And so we have normal cycles...and yet people think THIS time it is different? And this time if it gets warmer it will be a disaster?

Why didnt we have runaway global warming in the past when the Earth got a lot warmer? Hint it didn't. It is a cycle.

If humans were not around in the past and yet the Earth got warmer the most likely explanation to variations in climate would be a naturally occurring oscillation.

Our current models cannot even predict climate a decade or so out. When you look back at predications by these models over the decades they are wrong. And yet our politicians act like these should be trusted and warming is some anomaly and as such we should radically restructure our lifestyles.
 
espola said:
We can either limit the human population voluntarily or allow it to happen by crisis.
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You buy into the hype. Just like the experts who hyped the risks of covid.

Goverments have bought into the climate crisis. The provide billions in funding to people who toe the official line. If you produce studies showing things contrary to the "conventional wisdom" your funding dries up. So guess what type of things get published?
 
Desert Hound said:
Funny that comment.

So in the past the climate around the globe has fluctuated wildly. Being vastly colder and vastly warmer countless times throughout Earths history. None of those events were due to human activity and none of them caused global catastrophe. This is the normal variation of the Earths climate.

And so we have normal cycles...and yet people think THIS time it is different? And this time if it gets warmer it will be a disaster?

Why didnt we have runaway global warming in the past when the Earth got a lot warmer? Hint it didn't. It is a cycle.

If humans were not around in the past and yet the Earth got warmer the most likely explanation to variations in climate would be a naturally occurring oscillation.

Our current models cannot even predict climate a decade or so out. When you look back at predications by these models over the decades they are wrong. And yet our politicians act like these should be trusted and warming is some anomaly and as such we should radically restructure our lifestyles.
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In which cycle (how many years ago) did the Earth warm up as quickly as it is doing now?
 
watfly said:
He also bought into the hype of Hunter's laptop as Russian disinformation because 50 "intelligence experts" said so.
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espola said:
I don't recall posting anything like that. Could you show me where I did?
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Since all you did was laugh at my request, does that mean you have nothing?

As long as we are on the topic of Hunter's laptop, does anyone know if its contents figured in his plea bargain deal?
 
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