Vaccine

Grace T. said:
BTW I get why the schools would be closed in spring of 2020. We didn't know what the IFR was for sure back then, China was lying about its data, and the news out of China was filled with horror stories. I don't fault them for the closures spring of 2020. I would have done the same thing if I had been Queen-Empress. I do fault them for the closures in Fall of 21. By then we knew more about the IFR.
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Few if any are arguing the spring closure was bad. However by the summer we knew young people were not at risk. And despite that in many parts of the country they keep kids out of schools.
 
And remember this when you consider info that comes from the gov.

MORE FROM THE NEW CIVIL LIBERTIES ALLIANCE: NCLA Suit Uncovers Army of Federal Bureaucrats Coercing Social-Media Companies to Censor Speech. “The New Civil Liberties Alliance, the Attorney General of Missouri, and the Attorney General of Louisiana, have filed a lawsuit that blows the lid off a sprawling federal censorship regime that will shock the conscience of Americans. The joint statement on discovery disputes in the lawsuit, State of Missouri ex rel. Schmitt, et al. v. Joseph R. Biden, Jr., et al., reveals scores of federal officials across at least eleven federal agencies have secretly communicated with social-media platforms to censor and suppress private speech federal officials disfavor. This unlawful enterprise has been wildly successful.”
 
watfly said:
Actually an MD and health policy professionals. Not virologists or epidemiologists which is who you claim we should follow. Keep trying....actually don't.
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Nason Maani, Ph.D., is a Harkness Fellow in Health Care Policy and Practice at the Boston University School of Public Health.

Sandro Galea, MD, DrPH, is professor and dean at the Boston University School of Public Health.

Read their bios.

Nason Maani

Placement: Boston University School of Public Health Mentor: Sandro Galea, M.D., M.P.H., D.P.H., Dean and Robert A. Knox Professor, Boston University School of Public Health Project: COVID-19, Inequity, and Underinvestment in US Population Health Nason Maani, Ph.D., M.Sc. PH, FRSA, is a 2019–20...
www.commonwealthfund.org www.commonwealthfund.org

Sandro Galea | SPH

www.bu.edu www.bu.edu

These are not primary care physicians. They are a pair of epidemiologist academics doing exactly what you say you wanted them to do. And they were doing it back in March, 2021.
 
dad4 said:
Nason Maani, Ph.D., is a Harkness Fellow in Health Care Policy and Practice at the Boston University School of Public Health.

Sandro Galea, MD, DrPH, is professor and dean at the Boston University School of Public Health.

Read their bios.

Nason Maani

Placement: Boston University School of Public Health Mentor: Sandro Galea, M.D., M.P.H., D.P.H., Dean and Robert A. Knox Professor, Boston University School of Public Health Project: COVID-19, Inequity, and Underinvestment in US Population Health Nason Maani, Ph.D., M.Sc. PH, FRSA, is a 2019–20...
www.commonwealthfund.org www.commonwealthfund.org

Sandro Galea | SPH

www.bu.edu www.bu.edu

These are not primary care physicians. They are a pair of epidemiologist academics doing exactly what you say you wanted them to do. And they were doing it back in March, 2021.
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I can still hear the dirt hitting the blade of the shovel.
 
Pollo Elastico said:
Few if any are arguing the spring closure was bad. However by the summer we knew young people were not at risk. And despite that in many parts of the country they keep kids out of schools.
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I would add that it just wasn't schools, but all the athletics that were shut down and play dates discouraged for kids that also went into the damage equation. Remember, Newsom's crazy return to sports matrix?

Grace T. said:
All true but it's not just a defense mechanism for their fear. They can't bring themselves to accept that the technocracy they've built (and of which some of them are members) might have failed so spectacularly because it impacts their own self worth and life choices. The technocrats remember have now a stunning record of failure including the Iraq War, the 2008 financial crisis, the COVID response, and the current inflationary cycle. Coming down the track is climate change and their mea cupla for their tossing nuclear overboard when Europe potentially freezes this winter and our energy prices are eye popping.
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I'll put on my broken record, the complete lack of accountability and checks and balances for scientific opinion has led us to this point.
 
watfly said:
I would add that it just wasn't schools, but all the athletics that were shut down and play dates discouraged for kids that also went into the damage equation. Remember, Newsom's crazy return to sports matrix?
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Like this ole gem…

www.latimes.com

Paddle boarder chased by boat, arrested in Malibu after flouting coronavirus closures

The man, who wasn't identified, faces a fine of $1,000 or six months in jail, or both, if convicted of violating the state stay-at-home order.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
Bruddah IZ said:
SB 866, the bill to let minors get vaccinated without parental consent, is officially dead.
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Interesting. Two days ago I called to get my daughter’s vaccination records for college and they refused my request because “your daughter is 12 or older” and we need her permission for this request. Glad CA has their eye on the ball looking out for our youth. We can’t have their parents knowing their child’s vaccination status once they are 12.
 
watfly said:
There was a doctor on CNN this morning that said there is not enough proven benefit to warrant getting the booster that just came out...much to the dismay of the anchor.
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The trials mice the booster were tested on would beg to differ. They all agree the booster works just fine and that we should at least try it..
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Interesting. Two days ago I called to get my daughter’s vaccination records for college and they refused my request because “your daughter is 12 or older” and we need her permission for this request. Glad CA has their eye on the ball looking out for our youth. We can’t have their parents knowing their child’s vaccination status once they are 12.
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I think it might be 18 or older. My kids are 13 and 17 and I’ve had no problems getting their covid vaccination records immediately texted to me via this California website. https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/
 
This really should be bigger news. We saw last week FB admitted the FBI played a role in them limiting info about the laptop.

For all the claims it is the Rs who are acting fascist like. We keep seeing instances of the Biden admin pressuring corporations, and those corporations going along to kill off or limit info/opinions contrary to the gov line.

This is disturbing, but most people won't pay much attention, and the mainstream press will likely not report on it at all or in a very limited way.

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Here's what we know so far. DOJ identified 45 federal officials who have interacted with social media companies on misinformation.
Beyond DOJ, Meta identified 32 additional federal officials including White House Officials who communicated with them, and YouTube identified 11 federal officials including White House Officials who communicated with them, many of whom were not disclosed by DOJ.

This is a vast censorship enterprise, and the American people deserve to see the truth. Here are examples that already prove that federal officials and social media companies are coordinating on censorship, and we're not close to being done yet:


A senior FB official sent an email to the Surgeon General stating, "I know our teams met today to better understand the scope of what the White House expects from us on misinformation going forward." This email chain follows the SG's "misinformation health advisory" in July 2021.


Further communications show that Facebook is "increasing the strength of our demotions for COVID and vaccine-related content that third party fact checkers rate as 'Partly False' or 'Missing Context.'


That content will now be demoted at the same strength that we demote any content on our platform rated 'False.'"

Twitter scheduled a meeting to debrief top White House Officials on "vaccine misinformation."


There are several instances where Facebook wouldn't proceed with censoring freedom of speech on their platform until they had input, or a "debunking" from the CDC. Twitter followed the same course in at least one email.



The CDC also proposed a monthly debunking meeting with Facebook to help them censor free speech as well as regular "Be on the Lookout" calls with major social media outlets.

A White House official was even concerned about parody Fauci accounts and coordinated with Facebook to take them down.


The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) reached out to Twitter, Google, Meta, and Microsoft following the botched rollout of DHS' Disinformation Governance Board:


The Deputy Secretary at Treasury sought to connect with social media platforms and influence operations on social media.

This is just the beginning. We've beat the Biden Administration in court in this case, and we plan to do it again.

Missouri and Louisiana will continue to fight to get to the bottom of this alleged collusion and expose the suppression of freedom of speech by social media giants at the behest of top-ranking government officials.

Translation: The govt reminded social media it was their job to regulate content on their sites that is not covered by Section 230 or 1A such as violence, misinformation, & disinformation, because the social media companies in a time of great need were not being responsible!
 
Think about this. dad and others were/are big fans of the pronouncements of the gov. They didnt like to hear opposing viewpoints regarding covid etc. And pointed out...hey some of that has been factchecked and is wrong. As it turns out our gov was pressuring private companies to label opposing views is disinformation and or suppress it altogether.

This should be a scandal and a warning of the largest magnitude. Especially as increasingly tech takes a larger and larger role in our lives.


The White House used "private" corporations to illegally enforce their own censorship demands, violating the First Amendment.

Jonathan S. Tobin at The Federalist:

As far as the managerial class was concerned, Twitter's permanent ban of journalist and author Alex Berenson in August 2021 was entirely justified. Indeed, most of the reaction to his ban consisted of mockery of the lawsuit he subsequently filed to force Twitter to reinstate him.
Since his ban, Berenson has not only been vindicated, but news surfaced that his silencing was the direct result of a request from the White House.
Documents Berenson obtained during the discovery phase of the lawsuit he filed against Twitter illustrate how the government actively works to shut down free speech on issues of public interest. Berenson's criticisms of the Covid vaccines, which he claimed were ineffective and possibly harmful, came exactly at the time when the federal government, as well as many states and cities, were using every available coercive means at their disposal to force Americans to take them. As such, his speech was deemed extremist and needed to be suppressed to save lives during the pandemic.
While President Biden blithely labels his political opponents as "semi-fascists," it is he who has been playing the part of a fascist by using powerful corporations to stifle opposition. And thus, Berenson's Twitter ban must be acknowledged as a rank injustice.
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There are two important takeaways from this development.
First, everyone must now acknowledge Berenson's views that were labeled wrongthink a year ago were largely correct about the shortcomings of Covid vaccines.
The second point concerns the way the government used a public health emergency not only to seize unprecedented power but to trash civil liberties by leveraging the resources of Big Tech companies.
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As Steven Green comments at Instapundit: "There's no more pretending that the social media giants don't act as arms of the federal government."
 
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