Vaccine

[kickingandscreaming]

I ain’t saying shit dumbass, read, think, most people don’t. That’s why they are now trying to filter out disinformation. They didn’t in 2016 and look what happened we ended up with a self-obsessed, moron who stole state secrets. A guy who has been known to try to seek favor with murderous dictators. It will all be in the history books unless the morons continue to burn books, take away freedom and squelch democracy.

Hillary? D's have shown a preference for nice talking, good-looking, men as presidents. Hillary wasn't any of those three.

The history books need to take one more step back to get to the source - a biased media that advocates and drives division as a purpose. Yeah, so surprising the portion of the population referred to as a "basketful of deplorable" will look elsewhere for information than the sources that advocate for and fawn over divisive leaders. Then these elite, idiot, "arbiters of truth" believe they can fix things by suppressing "misinformation". Nothing screams "you can't handle the truth" elitism more than your first sentence, "read, think, most people don’t". It's a common refrain from those who want to control the message and it will continue to move us down the path of division. Look inward. Quit being so angry. Quit believing the world would be a better place if only everyone believed as you believe and you will have a chance to see things more clearly. No one ever wrote the book, "Solving the World's Problems Through the Lens of Misanthropy". Good luck with it.

 

[dad4]

The CDC, Fauci, the "science" community, the powerful teachers' unions and any politician that supported school closures should fry for this.

‘Nation’s Report Card’: Two Decades of Growth Wiped Out by Two Years of Pandemic

Long-term scores from NAEP show unprecedented declines for 9-year-olds in math and generational literacy loss

www.the74million.org

The science community was more focused in vaccines, indoor social venues, and masks.

If you want to blame scientists for a vaccine requirement or bar closure, that’s fair. But the politicians get credit for school closures.

 

[watfly]

The science community was more focused in vaccines, indoor social venues, and masks.

If you want to blame scientists for a vaccine requirement or bar closure, that’s fair. But the politicians get credit for school closures.

It's unfortunate that you're more interested in protecting the science community than our children. I guess everyone has different priorities.

Not to mention that your claim is completely false.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

 

[Kicker 2.0]

Yes I did that’s why I reacted that way. Maybe if you came with an honest, informed reply I wouldn’t have to question your validity. I feel you may be feigning an unaware state but that has yet to be proven. The angle you come from shows your intent and loyalty. Like I said over 4 years ago the time will come that, like Judas, many of the true believers will deny savior trump . . . I just didn’t see that they would still be defending him with such fervor. If it’s Biden vs trump you will vote for trump even if he is selling state secrets to vlad on his way to Leavenworth.

Fucking hilarious….expect others to do what you refuse to do…see

 

[Happened again]

It's unfortunate that you're more interested in protecting the science community than our children. I guess everyone has different priorities.

Not to mention that your claim is completely false.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

100% false indeed. Politicians leaned heavily on "science" to justify pandemic actions. Plenty of politicians to be found within the science/medicine community. Many took the opportunity to self stroke their egos and expand their wealth. Shameful. To be fair, most in the science and medical community were taking care of patients and doing sciency things.

 

[Pollo Elastico]

100% false indeed. Politicians leaned heavily on "science" to justify pandemic actions. Plenty of politicians to be found within the science/medicine community. Many took the opportunity to self stroke their egos and expand their wealth. Shameful. To be fair, most in the science and medical community were taking care of patients and doing sciency things.

Politicians also leaned heavily on big tech to stifle thoughts, facts, opinions contrary to what they wanted pushed out to the public.

Big Tech And Biden Admin Colluded To Silence Covid Dissenters

Twitter banning journalists like Alex Berenson who reject the federal government's narrative is worrisome for the future of free speech.

thefederalist.com

 

[watfly]

To be fair, most in the science and medical community were taking care of patients and doing sciency things.

Good point. I actually separate the medical community (those that actually treat patients) vs. the science community (those that play with rats in a controlled environment). The medical community as a whole were heroes during the pandemic.

 

[Pollo Elastico]

Politicians also leaned heavily on big tech to stifle thoughts, facts, opinions contrary to what they wanted pushed out to the public.

Big Tech And Biden Admin Colluded To Silence Covid Dissenters

Twitter banning journalists like Alex Berenson who reject the federal government's narrative is worrisome for the future of free speech.

thefederalist.com

"Documents Berenson obtained during the discovery phase of the lawsuit he filed against Twitter illustrate how the government actively works to shut down free speech on issues of public interest. Berenson’s criticisms of the Covid vaccines, which he claimed were ineffective and possibly harmful, came exactly at the time when the federal government, as well as many states and cities, were using every available coercive means at their disposal to force Americans to take them. As such, his speech was deemed extremist and needed to be suppressed to save lives during the pandemic. "

 

[dad4]

It's unfortunate that you're more interested in protecting the science community than our children. I guess everyone has different priorities.

Not to mention that your claim is completely false.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Nice article from March 10, 2020.

Do you have anything more recent, or are you merely saying that there was scientific support for school closures in the very earliest days of the pandemic?

 

[watfly]

Nice article from March 10, 2020.

Do you have anything more recent, or are you merely saying that there was scientific support for school closures in the very earliest days of the pandemic?

Plenty of other articles. What articles do you have that politicians unilaterally acted without scientific input? Regardless, I don't need to prove a claim that is false on its face. Why you and some of your comrades continue to defend science over the children is beyond mind-boggling, very sad actually. You just continue to dig yourself a deeper hole.

 

[crush]

Plenty of other articles. What articles do you have that politicians unilaterally acted without scientific input? Regardless, I don't need to prove a claim that is false on its face. Why you and some of your comrades continue to defend science over the children is beyond mind-boggling, very sad actually. You just continue to dig yourself a deeper hole.

 

[Pollo Elastico]

Why you and some of your comrades continue to defend science over the children is beyond mind-boggling, very sad actually. You just continue to dig yourself a deeper hole.

Because they cannot come around to the reality that they were wrong. Wrong about policy, its harms, etc.

 

[dad4]

Plenty of other articles. What articles do you have that politicians unilaterally acted without scientific input? Regardless, I don't need to prove a claim that is false on its face. Why you and some of your comrades continue to defend science over the children is beyond mind-boggling, very sad actually. You just continue to dig yourself a deeper hole.

Acting without scientific input? I’m not claiming that. They acted despite scientific input, or on the basis of out of date scientific input.

Keeping school closures was an example of acting based on out of date scientific input.

Now, if you want future policies to be based on up to date scientific input, you might want to ask yourself how many scientists wanted to be anywhere near the covid pissing match created by Fox and Friends. What sane person would sign up for that kind of abuse?

If I were a scientist doing research on aerosol respiratory transmission, there is no way in hell I’d go on Megan Kelly’s show. And if I had to go for a Rand Paul hearing, I’d stick tight to scientific jargon to avoid giving him an opening.

 

[watfly]

Because they cannot come around to the reality that they were wrong. Wrong about policy, its harms, etc.

I got to believe that its more than that. Can they be that desperate to be "right" on an internet forum? It could be any number of things, but my theory is that its selfishness and fear. They believe that kids have a responsibility to protect them as an adult, so they supported school shutdowns. Their defense of science is just a defense mechanism. How's that for forum psychoanalysis?

 

[dad4]

I got to believe that its more than that. Can they be that desperate to be "right" on an internet forum? It could be any number of things, but my theory is that its selfishness and fear. They believe that kids have a responsibility to protect them as an adult, so they supported school shutdowns. Their defense of science is just a defense mechanism. How's that for forum psychoanalysis?

Maybe, just maybe, I believe that you are wrong.

We have had over a million Americans die from covid. Perhaps I believe this was a bad thing, and that responsibility lies with the adults who refused to do their part.

Nah, couldn’t be that.

 

[Grace T.]

I got to believe that its more than that. Can they be that desperate to be "right" on an internet forum? It could be any number of things, but my theory is that its selfishness and fear. They believe that kids have a responsibility to protect them as an adult, so they supported school shutdowns. Their defense of science is just a defense mechanism. How's that for forum psychoanalysis?

All true but it's not just a defense mechanism for their fear. They can't bring themselves to accept that the technocracy they've built (and of which some of them are members) might have failed so spectacularly because it impacts their own self worth and life choices. The technocrats remember have now a stunning record of failure including the Iraq War, the 2008 financial crisis, the COVID response, and the current inflationary cycle. Coming down the track is climate change and their mea cupla for their tossing nuclear overboard when Europe potentially freezes this winter and our energy prices are eye popping.

 

[Happened again]

Acting without scientific input? I’m not claiming that. They acted despite scientific input, or on the basis of out of date scientific input.

Keeping school closures was an example of acting based on out of date scientific input.

Now, if you want future policies to be based on up to date scientific input, you might want to ask yourself how many scientists wanted to be anywhere near the covid pissing match created by Fox and Friends. What sane person would sign up for that kind of abuse?

If I were a scientist doing research on aerosol respiratory transmission, there is no way in hell I’d go on Megan Kelly’s show. And if I had to go for a Rand Paul hearing, I’d stick tight to scientific jargon to avoid giving him an opening.

complete gibberish. There was junk science and medicine being endorsed on all networks..all. The frothy, self serving doctors and scientits being platformed for all to see was disgusting and shameful. networks were more than happy to drive ratings using scare tactics - winter of death, kids killing grandparents, etc..all BS and very unscientific. The end result of all of this was an increase in adolescent suicide, a significant impact on childhood education, and an immeasurable impact on all fronts for children in less than ideal socio economic conditions. For those who sit behind "gated" communities with powerful wifi and access to online tutoring, organized school districts, and parents who can stay at home, the pandemic was a blip in time. To some kids it was great. For many, not so much.

 

[Grace T.]

All true but it's not just a defense mechanism for their fear. They can't bring themselves to accept that the technocracy they've built (and of which some of them are members) might have failed so spectacularly because it impacts their own self worth and life choices. The technocrats remember have now a stunning record of failure including the Iraq War, the 2008 financial crisis, the COVID response, and the current inflationary cycle. Coming down the track is climate change and their mea cupla for their tossing nuclear overboard when Europe potentially freezes this winter and our energy prices are eye popping.

p.s. the historical record is very clear. The CDC was planning as early as the beginning of February to shut down schools. I remember I was listening to a news report on CNN about the CDC telling schools they should potentially be prepared for a months long shutdown which sent me into high gear about prepping my own kids school (which was oblivious). The Birx book confirms all of this....it was them, not the Trump admin or Pence, who was pushing it.

 

[watfly]

This article makes a very articulate argument for how science has failed our children.

Science and Society Are Failing Children in the COVID Era

The school reopening debate points toward a broader range of problems facing the young

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Grace T.]

p.s. the historical record is very clear. The CDC was planning as early as the beginning of February to shut down schools. I remember I was listening to a news report on CNN about the CDC telling schools they should potentially be prepared for a months long shutdown which sent me into high gear about prepping my own kids school (which was oblivious). The Birx book confirms all of this....it was them, not the Trump admin or Pence, who was pushing it.

BTW I get why the schools would be closed in spring of 2020. We didn't know what the IFR was for sure back then, China was lying about its data, and the news out of China was filled with horror stories. I don't fault them for the closures spring of 2020. I would have done the same thing if I had been Queen-Empress. I do fault them for the closures in Fall of 21. By then we knew more about the IFR. We knew who was being affected. We knew kids weren't being heavily impacted. And exceptions had already been drawn for the BLM protests. The reality is the teachers were scared, so the teachers unions demanded things, and public health was all too willing to run cover for them....it's why Los Angeles didn't reopen it's private schools and didn't grant waivers for the young elementary kids while other counties did. Public health had also backed itself into a complete corner with the nonsensical 6 ft rule which ultimately had zero scientific basis.