Lab guy that crunches numbers > Medical doctor that actually treats patients. Got it.
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Who said one is better or worse?
Every prescription medication you've ever taken is approved by both. The lab guys crunch the numbers before FDA approval. Later on, the doctor looks at your specific case and writes the prescription.
Neither one knows how to do the other's job.
I was referring specifically to your inference that medical doctors aren't qualified to render an opinion on the efficacy of masks, not the global roles of each. Then again I'd still trust a medical doctor's opinion on the efficacy of a prescription than I would a lab guy that isn't actually treating patients on a daily basis.
Hüsker Dü
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The medical environment is a pressure cooker and creates an environment counter productive to comprehensive well being, IMHO. I have many experiences where we found a better way through our own research than “modern” “medical” “doctors” aka pill pushers provided. Not a fan, just saying. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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SILVER ELITE
So what you are saying is that big pharma has a way of influencing the medical community via a menu of options they provide to treat the daily human condition? interesting.
Irony aside, yeah you have to be your own advocate because you know your body best.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Husker has always been a one size fits all advocate. But he has the most furious arguments with himself.
Bruddah IZ
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My kid got an email this weekend that said test nor mask are required when they return to the Den.
Hüsker Dü
DA
The big ones for me were “chiropractors are a waste of time” and “No, it has nothing to do with your diet (what I eat)”.
Mask mandate didn’t work against COVID-19 in LA, say doctors from USC and UCLA
A letter from top-level doctors and researchers arguing against the effectiveness of indoor mask mandates, along with pushback from health departments, cities and business groups, possibly played a role in a surprise decision not to re-institute the mandate in Los Angeles County last month.
This newspaper obtained a copy of a February 2022 letter signed by doctors from UCLA’s Geffen School of Medicine and USC’s Keck School of Medicine sent to the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, asking the county to end the mask mandate that was in effect this past winter, claiming the policy did not work.
On July 22, some of the same doctors published their views in an op-ed in the Orange County Register, one of the newspapers in the Southern California News Group. At the time in July, the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (LACDPH) was strongly considering reimposing an indoor mask mandate — but on July 29 decided not to do so.
The letter to the Board of Supervisors, part of a campaign to educate the board, was signed by Dr. Jeffrey D. Klausner, clinical professor of medicine, population and public health sciences at USC’s Keck School of Medicine; Neeraj Sood, professor of public policy at USC’s Sol Price School of Public Policy; James E. Enstrom, retired professor of epidemiology at UCLA; Dr. Noah Kojima, senior resident for internal medicine at UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine; Dr. Catherine A. Sarkisian of UCLA’s Geffen School; James E. Moore, II, professor at USC’s Viterbi School of Engineering; Dr. Gabe Vorobiof, associate professor of medicine and cardiology at UCLA Geffen School of Medicine; and Avanidhar Subrahmanyam, professor at UCLA’s Anderson School.
Entire article:
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A letter from top-level doctors and researchers arguing against the effectiveness of indoor mask mandates, along with pushback from health departments, cities and business groups, possibly played a role in a surprise decision not to re-institute the mandate in Los Angeles County last month.
This newspaper obtained a copy of a February 2022 letter signed by doctors from UCLA’s Geffen School of Medicine and USC’s Keck School of Medicine sent to the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, asking the county to end the mask mandate that was in effect this past winter, claiming the policy did not work.
On July 22, some of the same doctors published their views in an op-ed in the Orange County Register, one of the newspapers in the Southern California News Group. At the time in July, the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (LACDPH) was strongly considering reimposing an indoor mask mandate — but on July 29 decided not to do so.
The letter to the Board of Supervisors, part of a campaign to educate the board, was signed by Dr. Jeffrey D. Klausner, clinical professor of medicine, population and public health sciences at USC’s Keck School of Medicine; Neeraj Sood, professor of public policy at USC’s Sol Price School of Public Policy; James E. Enstrom, retired professor of epidemiology at UCLA; Dr. Noah Kojima, senior resident for internal medicine at UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine; Dr. Catherine A. Sarkisian of UCLA’s Geffen School; James E. Moore, II, professor at USC’s Viterbi School of Engineering; Dr. Gabe Vorobiof, associate professor of medicine and cardiology at UCLA Geffen School of Medicine; and Avanidhar Subrahmanyam, professor at UCLA’s Anderson School.
Entire article:
Mask mandate didn’t work against COVID-19 in LA, say doctors from USC and UCLA
A letter from USC and UCLA doctors and researchers sent to L.A. Board of Supervisors said mask mandates won’t slow the spread. Other doctors disagree as the mask debate rages on.
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SILVER ELITE
sounds like your doc is stuck practicing 1977 medicine.
EvilGoalie 21
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That is kind. Thanks. He had a really good camp at UCSD and there was a little bit of back and forth with the coach. They ultimately did recruit a new keeper but a transfer student from somewhere, so I never really thought he'd end up there. He was fortunate to have a number of good academic options.
So, code of conduct stuff mostly comes in terms of manipulation of data. There are formal procedures. If upheld, for ladder rank people they're just done. And people's grants get yanked from time to time, sometimes for clearly articulated reasons and sometimes not. But you're talking about review boards, that sort of thing for running your mouth in public and consequences for that, especially if perceived to have a bearing on policy in some way. And I know you realize there is a real issue in terms of protected forms of speech and a certain tension implied in "false opinion". Also, what cases are considered and who are the abritraters? So in a serious vein I think what you are considering is difficult. I was somewhat serious in that if you write a professional and polite letter aimed at the dean/associate dean level it may well filter down to the department chair. The department chair at many places only has one real job, which is to push through merit and promotion files. And since the letter came from the dean the chair may well go, well, guess I put it the file. Next file review the department will see it and go "what the heck? Don't know what to do with this put maybe you should talk with her and just tell her to be careful." And then she may not choose public engagement anymore.
Even if the boards you're considering were to be feasible, many of the worst perpertrators are way and beyond the reach of any sort of agency that could have a meaningful effect (well, maybe short of Jack deplatforming them). It's like any other human institution. The closer you are to money, power and privilege the more insulated you are from consequences. Take a wanker like Vinay Prasad for example. Has a tether like academic appointment somewhere to go with the initials. But at this point he really just orbits around that in a slushy money institute sort of existence getting to spew out whatever he, or unseen source of funds, want. No review board is going to touch that. And he keeps it sciency enough that Jack won't touch him, etc. The only thing you can do is get online yourself, sneak up behind them and go "hey you, you're full of shit and here's why". One at a time.
So, in a more lighthearted vein, the more I think about it the more I love your idea of review boards. The Evil Goalie science review board. I'd get to be judge and jury. I'd have all kinds of interesting penalties (eg. show you can pass a post-Watson and Crick immunology course with a B or better or be deplatformed). And man, could I draw up a list. But probably not the same docket you would choose. Shoot, maybe everybody should have one....or maybe everybody already has.
First Lady Jill Biden has also tested positive for Covid 19. I pray for a quick recovery.
"The First Lady is double-vaccinated, twice boosted, and only experiencing mild symptoms," her communications director, Elizabeth Alexander, said in a statement. "She has been prescribed a course of Paxlovid and, following CDC guidance, will isolate from others for at least five days."
Dropping my freshman daughter off at college tomorrow. I just know how crazy and stressful the process is for them. Particularly when you are pursuing a sport, or in her case a dance team. IMO college is great, but where you go to college is vastly overrated. Its hard for kids to understand that though and feel pressure to go to prestigious schools. I know she will do fine academically and I just really want her to have a great time.
Have fun dropping her off. Are you empty nester now bro?
Nope, son started HS yesterday.
I'd be o.k. with a simple commitment to the principles of open debate and a free exchange of ideas.
Leana Wen was one of the most pro lockdown/pro masks/pro vaxx people out there. She reversed course several months ago and famously said cloth masks were little more than facial decorations against later strains. She is supposed to be the key note speaker at the American Public Health Association and will be delivering a talk entitled "Backlash" pointing out the dangers in the current public backlash against public health. A group within the APHA is trying to get her cancelled from giving the keynote. They cite numerous reasons (including a tangent on her admin time at Planned Parenthood) but it basically comes down to her urging that infection should be accepted as the new normal.
Response to APHA Wen Speaker
Collective Statement in response to Leana Wen, MD, MSc as Speaker for the 2022 American Public Health Association Annual Meeting in Boston, MA As public health practitioners, educators, students, advocates, and allies, we are deeply concerned about the decision to make Leana Wen, MD, MSc a spea...
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BRONZE
This gets back to testing. Long term testing that is required before vaxxes hit the market.
And yet in many areas/industries we mandated people to get an experimental vaxx. Dad and others were all for those types of mandates.
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And yet in many areas/industries we mandated people to get an experimental vaxx. Dad and others were all for those types of mandates.
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