Vaccine

[dad4]

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Oh E....

Anyway, nuance is certainly a thing and not your strong suit. I love the fact that this is your take away. Little o and it's babies are really good at evading vaccine and natural immunity, really good. so good in fact that that the disease isn't as severe. The elderly, and the immune compromised benefit some what from vaccine induced immunity, with consistent boosting of course. It's unfortunate that in the US, we don't really adhere to extended dosing intervals, which always, always makes vaccination more effective.

The vaccines don't really work but they work well enough for some...but you have to boost away. Emerging data clearly shows boosting could be having a negative impact on the immune system, putting us in a dangerous loop. Boost the elderly, they have a limited time on this planet, protect the young and healthy, don't compromise their immune system. I can't believe parents are still walking in and demanding boosters for their kids...and that universities are demanding boosters, especially for athletes. Sad state of affairs that will play out over the next few decades. I feel sad for those parents who were pressured into vaccinating their children and did so. Anecdotal evidence and research data will soon merge and people are going to be pissed.

Your argument was trash: "Vaccines don't work against modern variants. Let's vaccinate the vulnerable."

But, instead of withdrawing your trash argument, you took a dozen different anti-vax talking points and dumped them all into the same disorganized post.

This doesn't change the fact that your original argument is still trash.

Care to withdraw it, or going to keep it around like a dead skunk?

 

[Desert Hound]

Your argument was trash: "Vaccines don't work against modern variants. Let's vaccinate the vulnerable."

But, instead of withdrawing your trash argument, you took a dozen different anti-vax talking points and dumped them all into the same disorganized post.

This doesn't change the fact that your original argument is still trash.

Care to withdraw it, or going to keep it around like a dead skunk?

The vax neither prevents infection nor prevents the spread.

You know things we expect a vax to do.

And yet people like you still seem to want mandates etc.

At some point you should give up.

 

[dad4]

The vax neither prevents infection nor prevents the spread.

You know things we expect a vax to do.

And yet people like you still seem to want mandates etc.

At some point you should give up.

Just had this exact discussion with kicker. I see no reason to repeat the same conversation with someone less willing to think.

 

[crush]

The vax neither prevents infection nor prevents the spread.

You know things we expect a vax to do.

And yet people like you still seem to want mandates etc.

At some point you should give up.

Welcome back Hound. What a trip the last few years. This guys are something else.

 

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Your argument was trash: "Vaccines don't work against modern variants. Let's vaccinate the vulnerable."

But, instead of withdrawing your trash argument, you took a dozen different anti-vax talking points and dumped them all into the same disorganized post.

This doesn't change the fact that your original argument is still trash.

Care to withdraw it, or going to keep it around like a dead skunk?

yikes, must have gotten under that skin of yours. Luv the mansplaining, nice job - you sound like my kids and their friends....using rubbish gives off a more sophisticated air.

My desk does tend to be a bit messy but I would rate my bedside manner a 9 out of 10. Call it what you want - trash might be a good way of describing the way the vaccines have been handled.

There is a difference between talking points and facts. since you don't like facts, you minimize by calling them talking points, how linear of you. To piggy back on your theme - the vaccines are trash but provide a level of protection for the vulnerable, even, even if we don't really know if they work. They kinda work - see how nuance works? can you imagine, giving O specific boosters without actually knowing they work? Send an email to moderna and ask when they will release data from their PH3 trials. maybe someday we'll get the data. in your free time, check out the peer reviewed studies coming out of Taiwan that discuss heart symptons in teens after their second pfizer vaccine. disturbing stuff. Talking point or peer reviewed facts?

But your theme is spot on - Rubbish is a good way of describing the great vaccine debacle that has created hesitancy and diminished the professional credibility of the FDA and the CDC.

 

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Almost 100% of children who have received vaccinations in the history of vaccinations have been healthy at the time.

nice one smarty pants, you almost have an accurate fact...yes, vaccines that prevent and protect against dangerous diseases. how is this respiratory virus a threat to healthy children? and if they don't prevent/protect, why are healthy children being vaccinated with a junky vaccine?

 

[crush]

nice one smarty pants, you almost have an accurate fact...yes, vaccines that prevent and protect against dangerous diseases. how is this respiratory virus a threat to healthy children? and if they don't prevent/protect, why are healthy children being vaccinated with a junky vaccine?

Excellent questions. Let's see what smarty ass has to say.....

 

[Desert Hound]

nice one smarty pants, you almost have an accurate fact...yes, vaccines that prevent and protect against dangerous diseases. how is this respiratory virus a threat to healthy children? and if they don't prevent/protect, why are healthy children being vaccinated with a junky vaccine?

Children have no risk as it relates to this virus.

There is no good reason to give them or make them take a vax.

Quite frankly most people have little to no risk as it relates to this virus. Making them take a vax doesnt make sense...especially...

Since it doesnt prevent the spread or prevent infection.

 

[dad4]

yikes, must have gotten under that skin of yours. Luv the mansplaining, nice job - you sound like my kids and their friends....using rubbish gives off a more sophisticated air.

My desk does tend to be a bit messy but I would rate my bedside manner a 9 out of 10. Call it what you want - trash might be a good way of describing the way the vaccines have been handled.

There is a difference between talking points and facts. since you don't like facts, you minimize by calling them talking points, how linear of you. To piggy back on your theme - the vaccines are trash but provide a level of protection for the vulnerable, even, even if we don't really know if they work. They kinda work - see how nuance works? can you imagine, giving O specific boosters without actually knowing they work? Send an email to moderna and ask when they will release data from their PH3 trials. maybe someday we'll get the data. in your free time, check out the peer reviewed studies coming out of Taiwan that discuss heart symptons in teens after their second pfizer vaccine. disturbing stuff. Talking point or peer reviewed facts?

But your theme is spot on - Rubbish is a good way of describing the great vaccine debacle that has created hesitancy and diminished the professional credibility of the FDA and the CDC.

The weaker your argument, the longer your post.

In one sentence you claim it works, it does not work, and we don’t know whether it works.

At most one third of that sentence is true. You can’t be atheist, Catholic, and agnostic all at once.

 

[Kicker4Life]

The weaker your argument, the longer your post.

In one sentence you claim it works, it does not work, and we don’t know whether it works.

At most one third of that sentence is true. You can’t be atheist, Catholic, and agnostic all at once.

it is as effective as the Flu shot……question is, is the risk of the shot worth the benefit of getting it.

The younger you are, the less it makes sense.

Mandating it was stupid and even the Military is reversing it’s position.

 

[crush]

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[dad4]

it is as effective as the Flu shot……question is, is the risk of the shot worth the benefit of getting it.

The younger you are, the less it makes sense.

Mandating it was stupid and even the Military is reversing it’s position.

Agree that flu shot is a useful comparison.

Flu shot is about 43% effective, on average.

How Effective is the Flu Shot This Year? Here's When We'll Know

With the potential for virus ‘mismatch’, how long will it be before we know if this year’s shot is effective against the more prevalent flu types?

www.healthline.com

But the mandates were from the Delta wave era. Against Delta, the original vaccine was still in the 80-95% effective range, depending on whether you had 2 or 3 shots.

COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Against Omicron or Delta Infection and Outcomes

This case-control study estimates the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against symptomatic infections due to the Delta and Omicron variants and severe outcomes associated with these infections among adults in Ontario, Canada.

jamanetwork.com

80-95% is a lot better than 43%.

80-95% is high enough that we could have prevented the delta wave by enforcing masks and vaccines. Not just protect a certain subset. As a people, we could have chosen to not have the wave at all.

Whether it would have been worth it depends on how you feel about the relative value of 100,000 deaths versus the freedom to socialize while unmasked and unvaccinated. But it’s not as simple as “the vaccine doesn’t work.”

 

[dad4]

Agree that flu shot is a useful comparison.

Flu shot is about 43% effective, on average.

How Effective is the Flu Shot This Year? Here's When We'll Know

With the potential for virus ‘mismatch’, how long will it be before we know if this year’s shot is effective against the more prevalent flu types?

www.healthline.com

But the mandates were from the Delta wave era. Against Delta, the original vaccine was still in the 80-95% effective range, depending on whether you had 2 or 3 shots.

COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Against Omicron or Delta Infection and Outcomes

This case-control study estimates the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against symptomatic infections due to the Delta and Omicron variants and severe outcomes associated with these infections among adults in Ontario, Canada.

jamanetwork.com

80-95% is a lot better than 43%.

80-95% is high enough that we could have prevented the delta wave by enforcing masks and vaccines. Not just protect a certain subset. As a people, we could have chosen to not have the wave at all.

Whether it would have been worth it depends on how you feel about the relative value of 100,000 deaths versus the freedom to socialize while unmasked and unvaccinated. But it’s not as simple as “the vaccine doesn’t work.”

Original vaccine mandates during omicron are a completely different question.

If you read further down the JAMA article, you’ll see that the original vaccine against omicron was down to 36%. It’s why they tried to get the omicron booster out before the holidays.

 

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The weaker your argument, the longer your post.

In one sentence you claim it works, it does not work, and we don’t know whether it works.

At most one third of that sentence is true. You can’t be atheist, Catholic, and agnostic all at once.

which part is true? and what is weak for your? Does the vaccine work for healthy people? Does it provide some level of protection for the elderly and immune compromised? Did big pharma and big government convince you to ingest a product that is at best somewhat vetted. Are you a healthy human being who contracts colds and flus?

 

[Kicker4Life]

….depending on whether you had 2 or 3 shots.

Please repeat that statement out loud to yourself a few times….

 

[espola]

Please repeat that statement out loud to yourself a few times….

Did you figure out the probability/statistics problem yet?

 

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Did you figure out the probability/statistics problem yet?

have you figured out whether healthy people should be vaccinated against a virus that doesn't cause severe disease?

 

[espola]

have you figured out whether healthy people should be vaccinated against a virus that doesn't cause severe disease?

I think millions of dead people makes it pretty severe.

Hint for your problem -- consider what happens to any sample B of population A as p gets close to 1. This should be a snap for a stats minor grad -- first-year stuff, really.

 

[dad4]

Please repeat that statement out loud to yourself a few times….

I just finished filling out vax forms for schools. Mmr, Tdap,mmr, varicella, and so on. They were all multiple shots. And all given to healthy kids.

In that context, Covid was 3 shots, plus one for omicron. Probably one more if the Chinese surge brews up something truly nasty. So what? Seems normal for a vaccine.

 

[Kicker4Life]

I just finished filling out vax forms for schools. Mmr, Tdap,mmr, varicella, and so on. They were all multiple shots. And all given to healthy kids.

In that context, Covid was 3 shots, plus one for omicron. Probably one more if the Chinese surge brews up something truly nasty. So what? Seems normal for a vaccine.

How many of those shots are recommended each year?

So if you want to make those comparisons, please elaborate on the development timeline and research done in the creation of those Vaccines, the mortality rate of the viruses they were created for, the age levels most threatened by those viruses, as it compares to Covid and the Covid vaxx.

Then I will ask you to compare the effectiveness of these Vaccines in stopping the host from getting and transmitting those viruses versus the Covid vaxx.

Round and round we go…

 

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I think millions of dead people makes it pretty severe.

Hint for your problem -- consider what happens to any sample B of population A as p gets close to 1. This should be a snap for a stats minor grad -- first-year stuff, really.

ahhh, you are one of those with that argument. What's your argument now? Who was dying then and who is dying now? tell me all about p in this instance...